Vmart wrote:How tiring was it to watch 5 miami heat players surround Amare when he got the ball. If there was a time for a break the team down player this game was it Melo would have done damage in that setting.

completely agree... that's when you need another guy that can take over the offensive load... Gallo is very hot & cold & Wilson is inconsistent... almost seems like if 1 of them is going off, the other one completely disappears... a guy like Melo can go shot for shot w/Lebron when he went off on that hot streak shooting the rock.

TMS wrote:
i think we had to expect to lose this game, but the way they were so limited in the 2nd half tells a bigger story... this is not a problem that adding 1 defensive C & a backup PG is going to fix... we need another reliable go to scorer in a bad way... gotta be able to make teams pay when they double & triple down on Amare... Gallo had a nice 1st half but even then the Heat still doubled down on Amare the entire 4th quarter & we were completely unable to make any type of run to get back into the game... that's when a guy like Melo really pays dividends because if you double down on Amare he makes you pay on every possession... the way Lebron was knocking down shots at will when he got hot is how Melo can take over a game as well, & the rest of the game he'll be getting to the FT line & getting his points throughout the course of the game... having a pair of 24+ ppg scorers on your team is a nightmare to match up against for any team, including the Heat.

the thing is though he hasn't been passing. or if he does it's a wild pass. on more than a few occasions they double and he's thrown a wild pass that the shooter can't put a fast enough shot up before he rotates. he either does that or puts up a difficult shot. against worse defenses they'd rotate late or just play it straight up and give him a lot of room.

i don't think another scorer(melo) would have done anything. we run two plays, top of the key pick n roll with amar'e and iso amar'e on the elbow. when you stop that, there's a lot of standing around and good defenses beat a lot of standing around.

FistOfOakley wrote:

TMS wrote:
i think we had to expect to lose this game, but the way they were so limited in the 2nd half tells a bigger story... this is not a problem that adding 1 defensive C & a backup PG is going to fix... we need another reliable go to scorer in a bad way... gotta be able to make teams pay when they double & triple down on Amare... Gallo had a nice 1st half but even then the Heat still doubled down on Amare the entire 4th quarter & we were completely unable to make any type of run to get back into the game... that's when a guy like Melo really pays dividends because if you double down on Amare he makes you pay on every possession... the way Lebron was knocking down shots at will when he got hot is how Melo can take over a game as well, & the rest of the game he'll be getting to the FT line & getting his points throughout the course of the game... having a pair of 24+ ppg scorers on your team is a nightmare to match up against for any team, including the Heat.

the thing is though he hasn't been passing. or if he does it's a wild pass. on more than a few occasions they double and he's thrown a wild pass that the shooter can't put a fast enough shot up before he rotates. he either does that or puts up a difficult shot. against worse defenses they'd rotate late or just play it straight up and give him a lot of room.

i don't think another scorer(melo) would have done anything. we run two plays, top of the key pick n roll with amar'e and iso amar'e on the elbow. when you stop that, there's a lot of standing around and good defenses beat a lot of standing around.

they did a great job taking him out of his game... they took all the spacing away from him & crowded the lane... he had nowhere to go w/the ball & he started trying to force up bad contested shots... they also did a great job backing him farther away from the basket out of his comfort zone & he ended up taking longer distance midrange J's & clanking them.

i disagree w/u completely... i think another scorer keeps this team in the game & makes that kind of defensive strategy on Amare impossible for the Heat to capitalize on... they had zero fear of Gallo, Wilson or Ray going off during the 2nd half, their entire strategy was focused on stopping Amare, & it worked to perfection... u add a scorer like Melo to the equation & u better believe they have fear that Melo goes off if they try to double down on Amare downlow.

TMS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:

TMS wrote:
i think we had to expect to lose this game, but the way they were so limited in the 2nd half tells a bigger story... this is not a problem that adding 1 defensive C & a backup PG is going to fix... we need another reliable go to scorer in a bad way... gotta be able to make teams pay when they double & triple down on Amare... Gallo had a nice 1st half but even then the Heat still doubled down on Amare the entire 4th quarter & we were completely unable to make any type of run to get back into the game... that's when a guy like Melo really pays dividends because if you double down on Amare he makes you pay on every possession... the way Lebron was knocking down shots at will when he got hot is how Melo can take over a game as well, & the rest of the game he'll be getting to the FT line & getting his points throughout the course of the game... having a pair of 24+ ppg scorers on your team is a nightmare to match up against for any team, including the Heat.

the thing is though he hasn't been passing. or if he does it's a wild pass. on more than a few occasions they double and he's thrown a wild pass that the shooter can't put a fast enough shot up before he rotates. he either does that or puts up a difficult shot. against worse defenses they'd rotate late or just play it straight up and give him a lot of room.

i don't think another scorer(melo) would have done anything. we run two plays, top of the key pick n roll with amar'e and iso amar'e on the elbow. when you stop that, there's a lot of standing around and good defenses beat a lot of standing around.

they did a great job taking him out of his game... they took all the spacing away from him & crowded the lane... he had nowhere to go w/the ball & he started trying to force up bad contested shots... they also did a great job backing him farther away from the basket out of his comfort zone & he ended up taking longer distance midrange J's & clanking them.

i disagree w/u completely... i think another scorer keeps this team in the game & makes that kind of defensive strategy on Amare impossible for the Heat to capitalize on... they had zero fear of Gallo, Wilson or Ray going off during the 2nd half, their entire strategy was focused on stopping Amare, & it worked to perfection... u add a scorer like Melo to the equation & u better believe they have fear that Melo goes off if they try to double down on Amare downlow.

Actually lebron was stuck to gallo.. they paid a lot of attention to him.. that is why Mike bought gallo over to amare's side on offense.. the rest of the guys were not hitting much if at all.. I love fields, but maybe he would give us more depth off the bench, a guy like mayo would have given us another shooter/ scorer.. it is not all about melo, we could sure up other spots and get better.... all of this going to to toe in scoring is ridiculous.. do you guys think melo scores 55 tonight? because if you take gallo out, that is what we would have needed.. and if the heat defense is as good as you guys claim, do you think that is reasonable for him to score?

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:

TMS wrote:
i think we had to expect to lose this game, but the way they were so limited in the 2nd half tells a bigger story... this is not a problem that adding 1 defensive C & a backup PG is going to fix... we need another reliable go to scorer in a bad way... gotta be able to make teams pay when they double & triple down on Amare... Gallo had a nice 1st half but even then the Heat still doubled down on Amare the entire 4th quarter & we were completely unable to make any type of run to get back into the game... that's when a guy like Melo really pays dividends because if you double down on Amare he makes you pay on every possession... the way Lebron was knocking down shots at will when he got hot is how Melo can take over a game as well, & the rest of the game he'll be getting to the FT line & getting his points throughout the course of the game... having a pair of 24+ ppg scorers on your team is a nightmare to match up against for any team, including the Heat.

the thing is though he hasn't been passing. or if he does it's a wild pass. on more than a few occasions they double and he's thrown a wild pass that the shooter can't put a fast enough shot up before he rotates. he either does that or puts up a difficult shot. against worse defenses they'd rotate late or just play it straight up and give him a lot of room.

i don't think another scorer(melo) would have done anything. we run two plays, top of the key pick n roll with amar'e and iso amar'e on the elbow. when you stop that, there's a lot of standing around and good defenses beat a lot of standing around.

they did a great job taking him out of his game... they took all the spacing away from him & crowded the lane... he had nowhere to go w/the ball & he started trying to force up bad contested shots... they also did a great job backing him farther away from the basket out of his comfort zone & he ended up taking longer distance midrange J's & clanking them.

i disagree w/u completely... i think another scorer keeps this team in the game & makes that kind of defensive strategy on Amare impossible for the Heat to capitalize on... they had zero fear of Gallo, Wilson or Ray going off during the 2nd half, their entire strategy was focused on stopping Amare, & it worked to perfection... u add a scorer like Melo to the equation & u better believe they have fear that Melo goes off if they try to double down on Amare downlow.

I'm not sure about that. Melo is a midrange and in scorer. What Miami does defensively is pack the paint and since they have such great athletic speed they can still get out to try and cover you if you aren't out at the 3pt line. Melo isn't good out to that distance, so he'd be facing more help defenders. If we had taken and made more 3's that would force them out of that defense. We actually needed Felton, Gallo and Chan to be on their 3pt game tonight in order to force the Heat to come out of the paint. I think Mike was trying to do that which is why he went with the spread offense. We just didn't have it. Felton wasn't feeling it from deep. We also didn't get any favors from the Refs on our drives which we got fouled a lot, but still IMO we needed our 3pt game more than another penetrator like Melo.

Melo is great at getting to the line while taking his man off the dribble... he's also great at getting off shots in traffic & can kill you with his pull up J before the defense even has a chance to set up, much in the same way Lebron was torching us in the 2nd half when he caught fire... if the Heat packed the paint to double on Amare u'd be seeing Melo either taking the uncontested J or dribble penetrating to draw contact & getting to the line, u can bet on it.

Felton not getting going obviously didn't help matters tonight either... against a team like the Heat you need to be clicking on all cylinders to beat them, & we weren't tonight... u can easily see that this team gets exposed when Amare isn't in beast mode... when he's going off it makes the game so much easier for everyone else around him... that's the kind of thing Melo can also bring to the table... relying on the 3 pt shot to win you ballgames is a feast or famine type of strategy... we need a more consistent means of getting points if we're to expect to beat the top teams in the NBA.

bishop wrote:Tonight was disappointing but we were the weaker team. The bench needs improvement. Williams has done nothing the last several games, Douglas who might be injured has been very disappointing.I think Walsh will make somes move by the deadline. I hope one of them includes Melo. If we could somehow get Melo and Camby in a 3 way trade, and then find a backup pg i'd be ecstatic!

CrushAlot wrote:

bishop wrote:Tonight was disappointing but we were the weaker team. The bench needs improvement. Williams has done nothing the last several games, Douglas who might be injured has been very disappointing.I think Walsh will make somes move by the deadline. I hope one of them includes Melo. If we could somehow get Melo and Camby in a 3 way trade, and then find a backup pg i'd be ecstatic!

It might be time to give Randolph some run. Turiaf is obviously not right and the Knicks need a big.

agreed, I hope Randolph is showing something in practice like williams was so that D'antoni has no option but to play Randolph because otherwise I don't see D'antoni giving him a run anytime soon.

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SupremeCommander wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:I'll be at a dumb ol' Christmas party tonight so if anyone knows of a game cap please post a link later on.

same here, ill be at a christmas party tonight and catch any of the game.

open bar vs knicks/heat is actually a surprisingly tough choice.

you two are of great disappointment to me

It ain't over yet. I've been to this party before and they let the kids takeover the den watching Harry Potter movies and assorted crap. I might lock the kids in the basement and take over the TV room.

I'd hedge. Tell everyone you've got a head cold. And at 8:30 go to the "pharmacy." Self medicate where the 2nd half is on TV

Genius!

hope you caught the 1st and not the 2nd