AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:And yet word around the grapevine is that his eye's are solely set on the Knicks. December 15th or not, the Nuggets did not seem to have any problem orchestrating a 4 team trade in the offseason that would have sent Melo elsewhere. You'd think eligible teams would have offered a flurry of proposals ahead of that December 15th deadline by now. Yet they haven't....

- According to the Grapevine Bosh and Lebron were supposed to be Knicks

- Eligible teams can make all the proposals they like. Denver has to accept the offer. No rush into sending the team into free fall. What does it matter to Denver if they trade Carmel today or in February? Denver gets to have fans showing up for games.

- Denver can trade Melo to any team they want to. Melo has to agree to extend though so the deal is dead. Melo wanting to be in NY = not exactly fact but more substantial than any Lebron/Bosh want to be in NY rumours.

How does Melo "maybe" not wanting to play for the Nets lead you to he wants to play for NY Knicks?

Ok fine...the Melo to NY rumours could be exactly like the Lebron to NY rumours.

Maybe if the NJ deal gets revived and the nets are willing to include Lopez, the Knicks need to step up with a godfather offer.

Chicago is probably not going to part with Noah. Taj Gibson cut it vs. what the Knicks can offer.

Main points:

- Why pull an Isiah and offer a super awesome trade package when for now..it appears there are no other teams with offers on the table for Melo that Denver is considering.

- Melo is totally in the drivers seat here. Not the Knicks. Not the Nuggets. He can basically decide where he wants to go, no?

After the Pau Gasol trade I cant discount the possibility of Denver giving Melo for a picks and a salary dump.

Something like Melo and Harrington for Vince Carter(Expiring), Gortat, Orton, and picks isn't impossible.

Remember when Melo leaves that are in rebuild mode. Nene and Billups are as good as gone anyway.

Ill take all three please, Melo to start at sf, Billups as the backup point, and Nene as another big to help Amare (not sure about this, but maybe). DEEEWWWW THISSSSS DONNNNNNAAAAYYYY!

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:And yet word around the grapevine is that his eye's are solely set on the Knicks. December 15th or not, the Nuggets did not seem to have any problem orchestrating a 4 team trade in the offseason that would have sent Melo elsewhere. You'd think eligible teams would have offered a flurry of proposals ahead of that December 15th deadline by now. Yet they haven't....

- According to the Grapevine Bosh and Lebron were supposed to be Knicks

- Eligible teams can make all the proposals they like. Denver has to accept the offer. No rush into sending the team into free fall. What does it matter to Denver if they trade Carmel today or in February? Denver gets to have fans showing up for games.

- Denver can trade Melo to any team they want to. Melo has to agree to extend though so the deal is dead. Melo wanting to be in NY = not exactly fact but more substantial than any Lebron/Bosh want to be in NY rumours.

How does Melo "maybe" not wanting to play for the Nets lead you to he wants to play for NY Knicks?

Ok fine...the Melo to NY rumours could be exactly like the Lebron to NY rumours.

Maybe if the NJ deal gets revived and the nets are willing to include Lopez, the Knicks need to step up with a godfather offer.

Chicago is probably not going to part with Noah. Taj Gibson cut it vs. what the Knicks can offer.

Main points:

- Why pull an Isiah and offer a super awesome trade package when for now..it appears there are no other teams with offers on the table for Melo that Denver is considering.

- Melo is totally in the drivers seat here. Not the Knicks. Not the Nuggets. He can basically decide where he wants to go, no?

After the Pau Gasol trade I cant discount the possibility of Denver giving Melo for a picks and a salary dump.

Something like Melo and Harrington for Vince Carter(Expiring), Gortat, Orton, and picks isn't impossible.

Remember when Melo leaves that are in rebuild mode. Nene and Billups are as good as gone anyway.

ok..given that.

If Melo is willing to extend with an Orlando or any other team that can offer Denver something better than we can, the Knicks chances don't look all that great.

If some of our yoots play their way into being more attractive assets than a Carter/Gortat/Orton/picks package, then maybe we have a chance.

If Melo is really down to come play for the Knicks and wouldn't extend with anyone then screw Denver they can take our crap package or let Melo walk.

So..we either have slim/little shot at landing Melo..or we're a lock.

Sound about right to you?

BRIGGS wrote:Melo missing tonight's game with knee inflammation--shouldve took the 25mm per you greedy bastad!

he still can, can't he? i'm sure if he wanted to sign that $65M deal on the table denver would say, "yes plz."

anyone think he might be gearing up to sit out the knicks game with a knee injury and dodge the NY media?

BRIGGS wrote:Melo missing tonight's game with knee inflammation--shouldve took the 25mm per you greedy bastad!

more like he crumbled under all of the Melo-KG comparison blather, Denver plays the Celtics. serves him right for trying to stand up to Garnett

thejerk wrote:Chandler and Gallo combined for 34 and 15 tonight, wait and see on this trade, in a month or so we should all know whether we would gut a portion of this team for Melo, no?

34 & 15 over 78 minutes between the 2 of them tonight... u have to keep that in perspective.... u can't just combine their production w/o considering you need 2 players playing that amount of minutes to give u that type of production on any given night... split that in half & you get 17 & 7.5 over 39 minutes average... u don't think having a player that can average at least 8 more points per game would be a valuable commodity to have? let's say you replace Gallo & Wilson with Melo, that probably also means a guy like AR would get an opportunity to play as well, so u can combine Melo's production w/that put up by AR after u make that trade & compare it to what you're currently getting from Gallo & Wilson to get a more fair comparison to draw from... u can't just simplify things down like saying 2 players are better than 1 based on combined points & rebound totals w/o considering all these factors.

thejerk wrote:

TMS wrote:

thejerk wrote:Chandler and Gallo combined for 34 and 15 tonight, wait and see on this trade, in a month or so we should all know whether we would gut a portion of this team for Melo, no?

34 & 15 over 78 minutes between the 2 of them tonight... u have to keep that in perspective.... u can't just combine their production w/o considering you need 2 players playing that amount of minutes to give u that type of production on any given night... split that in half & you get 17 & 7.5 over 39 minutes average... u don't think having a player that can average at least 8 more points per game would be a valuable commodity to have? let's say you replace Gallo & Wilson with Melo, that probably also means a guy like AR would get an opportunity to play as well, so u can combine Melo's production w/that put up by AR after u make that trade & compare it to what you're currently getting from Gallo & Wilson to get a more fair comparison to draw from... u can't just simplify things down like saying 2 players are better than 1 based on combined points & rebound totals w/o considering all these factors.

You have made a good point...they did however play good defense and spread the floor well. By no means am I saying forget Melo, but lets just see how well they do over this stretch before we make a final decision to let Denver take more than they should. The more the Knicks win the worse it will be for Denver management come the deadline.

right now it looks like DEN prefers to deal Melo to NJ, but it's all up to Melo... if he's not willing to sign an extension w/NJ, then he'll push to be dealt to NY, or wait it out & become a FA & risk what the new CBA/potential lockout will bring... if he's smart he'll push to be traded to the Knicks now & sign a contract extension before the current CBA expires.

I'm so F'IN TIRED of hearing about Carmelo Anthony!!

We're in the middle of the best run in the last ten years, and all you people want to do is continue this LebroMelo circle jerk. F' IT! Can we enjoy what we've got here? Two years we had to do this with Lebron, now all this year Melo. Jesus!

Marv wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

Marv wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

Marv wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

Marv wrote:melo's got the capability of being a dominant inside player. but he doesn’t want to do it. he wants to dance around the outside and be a finesse skill guy.

it's a real bad picture to bring onto this team. especially at a max salary. you end up with a guy who thinks he has to earn his keep by being the go-to shooter, and he really does little else.

he showed a lot of his true colors inn the fight in the garden a few years back with the little ***** slap cheap-shot and then the back-pedaling the hell out of there as fast as he could.

i'd rather continue the development of wilson chandler as an all-around player and an increasingly valuable cog in a machine than a shoot-shoot-shoot "savior" who we'd be grossly overpaying and would totally throw our developing balance out of whack.

It's pretty difficult imagining Melo as a player who "dance(s) around the outside (as) a finesse skill guy," when he is a regular as one of the league leaders in paints scored in the paint and in free throw's attempted each and every season. You don't score in the paint, hanging around on the perimeter and you generally don't get to the line unless you're driving the basketball, making your assessment inaccurate. I'm not sure how you can reconcile Amar'e being a max player but not Melo, who is actually better.

As for the incident with Melo in the Garden a few years back, all that shows is that Melo would make for a poor show as a MMA (mixed-martial arts) fighter. You're welcome to your opinions of Melo as a person; I personally think he's a tool of a human being as well but the guy can play basketball and will improve this team. As much as Wilson Chandler has been impressive, I think it is fairly evident that the guy is a bench play and better suited for that role in the future.

I‘ve seen him be so effective inside. And I’ve seen him stay away from that so much and prefer to play like a guard - you don’t shoot 43 % if you're using your inside game. Look to danilo gallinari as another player who's shot a lot of free throws but also settles way too much from the outside and has a poor shooting percentage.
Melo would have been a great pick-up for the isiah thomas teams of a few years ago. Guy would have been welcome relief as a one-man scoring show because we had NOTHING on that team and needed some kind of boost from a dominant scorer. But that's not at all the case here now. Plus in the isiah $125 million team era, adding another max player wasn't a concern. Fiscal flexibility is a major concern now.

I don't mean to be rude but you're simply wrong. First off, Danilo only shoots about 5 free throws a game. In his two earlier seasons, he only got averaged 3 shots a game. In fact, Gallo has attempted more 3 pointers than he has free throws in his career, which is not a characteristic of any kind of franchise player. Most would consider Melo to be playing below par this season and he still averages about 8 free throws a game. When he is his normal self, that number hovers around 10 free throws a game. And I don't know where you got this nonsense about Melo being a poor free throw shooter but he has consistently hit 80% or better from the charity stripe the past 4 seasons and has matched that rate 7 of the 8 seasons he has been in the league. The league average is in the lower 70's.

Once again, you don't get to the line as frequently as Melo and you can not consistently be top 10 in points-scored-in-the-paint, if you hover on the perimeter as much as you imply he does. You continue to denounce Melo as simply a selfish scorer but have you stopped to notice that his teams have consistently been among the league's best after having been the league worst for decades before he arrived? Clearly the manner in which he scores helps his team and does not hurt it. There is a reason why he is a max salary player and you need not look any further than that explanation.

was referring to gallo's play this year, particularly his streak when he was going to the stripe like crazy - 11 fta per game over an 8 game span.

didn’t say anything about melo's free throw shooting.

So you don't think the logic behind comparing 8 games to a body of work spanning 7 full seasons and 20 games is a bit flawed?

hey i appreciate you want to take on all comers and you like to dig into minutiae, but . . . .

the point for me is this - we have a lot of cheap assets at sf: chandler, williams, gallinari, fields. these guys are all playing well, their games are all growing and they all play other positions as well. there is no way i'm spending all that money - MAX LONG-TERM CONTRACT - for a sf like melo who's not a superstar, doesn’t lead a team in the playoffs (save 1 out of 7 years) and is known as an offensive player with less than efficient scoring.

Melo doesn't lead a team in the playoffs? Last time I checked, the 17 win roster Melo inherited was not exactly lighting the league up during his rookie season. In spite of that, he got them into the playoffs. Pretty sure that that wasn't Vashon Lenard carrying them.

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

Marv wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

Marv wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

Marv wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

Marv wrote:melo's got the capability of being a dominant inside player. but he doesn’t want to do it. he wants to dance around the outside and be a finesse skill guy.

it's a real bad picture to bring onto this team. especially at a max salary. you end up with a guy who thinks he has to earn his keep by being the go-to shooter, and he really does little else.

he showed a lot of his true colors inn the fight in the garden a few years back with the little ***** slap cheap-shot and then the back-pedaling the hell out of there as fast as he could.

i'd rather continue the development of wilson chandler as an all-around player and an increasingly valuable cog in a machine than a shoot-shoot-shoot "savior" who we'd be grossly overpaying and would totally throw our developing balance out of whack.

It's pretty difficult imagining Melo as a player who "dance(s) around the outside (as) a finesse skill guy," when he is a regular as one of the league leaders in paints scored in the paint and in free throw's attempted each and every season. You don't score in the paint, hanging around on the perimeter and you generally don't get to the line unless you're driving the basketball, making your assessment inaccurate. I'm not sure how you can reconcile Amar'e being a max player but not Melo, who is actually better.

As for the incident with Melo in the Garden a few years back, all that shows is that Melo would make for a poor show as a MMA (mixed-martial arts) fighter. You're welcome to your opinions of Melo as a person; I personally think he's a tool of a human being as well but the guy can play basketball and will improve this team. As much as Wilson Chandler has been impressive, I think it is fairly evident that the guy is a bench play and better suited for that role in the future.

I‘ve seen him be so effective inside. And I’ve seen him stay away from that so much and prefer to play like a guard - you don’t shoot 43 % if you're using your inside game. Look to danilo gallinari as another player who's shot a lot of free throws but also settles way too much from the outside and has a poor shooting percentage.
Melo would have been a great pick-up for the isiah thomas teams of a few years ago. Guy would have been welcome relief as a one-man scoring show because we had NOTHING on that team and needed some kind of boost from a dominant scorer. But that's not at all the case here now. Plus in the isiah $125 million team era, adding another max player wasn't a concern. Fiscal flexibility is a major concern now.

I don't mean to be rude but you're simply wrong. First off, Danilo only shoots about 5 free throws a game. In his two earlier seasons, he only got averaged 3 shots a game. In fact, Gallo has attempted more 3 pointers than he has free throws in his career, which is not a characteristic of any kind of franchise player. Most would consider Melo to be playing below par this season and he still averages about 8 free throws a game. When he is his normal self, that number hovers around 10 free throws a game. And I don't know where you got this nonsense about Melo being a poor free throw shooter but he has consistently hit 80% or better from the charity stripe the past 4 seasons and has matched that rate 7 of the 8 seasons he has been in the league. The league average is in the lower 70's.

Once again, you don't get to the line as frequently as Melo and you can not consistently be top 10 in points-scored-in-the-paint, if you hover on the perimeter as much as you imply he does. You continue to denounce Melo as simply a selfish scorer but have you stopped to notice that his teams have consistently been among the league's best after having been the league worst for decades before he arrived? Clearly the manner in which he scores helps his team and does not hurt it. There is a reason why he is a max salary player and you need not look any further than that explanation.

was referring to gallo's play this year, particularly his streak when he was going to the stripe like crazy - 11 fta per game over an 8 game span.

didn’t say anything about melo's free throw shooting.

So you don't think the logic behind comparing 8 games to a body of work spanning 7 full seasons and 20 games is a bit flawed?

hey i appreciate you want to take on all comers and you like to dig into minutiae, but . . . .

the point for me is this - we have a lot of cheap assets at sf: chandler, williams, gallinari, fields. these guys are all playing well, their games are all growing and they all play other positions as well. there is no way i'm spending all that money - MAX LONG-TERM CONTRACT - for a sf like melo who's not a superstar, doesn’t lead a team in the playoffs (save 1 out of 7 years) and is known as an offensive player with less than efficient scoring.

Melo doesn't lead a team in the playoffs? Last time I checked, the 17 win roster Melo inherited was not exactly lighting the league up during his rookie season. In spite of that, he got them into the playoffs. Pretty sure that that wasn't Vashon Lenard carrying them.

you are not painting the whole picture.

They also added Andre Miller and a full year of Marcus Camby to that squad. And got 43 wins.
Marv is actually talking about doing something IN the playoffs, not just getting to it.

You got to get to the playoffs in order to do something in it. And last time I checked, 31ppg, 9rpg, 3apg and 2spg on 46% shooting players in the playoffs don't grow on tree's.

Oh and you mean Andre Miller; the same Andre Miller that never made the playoffs before pairing up with Melo? Matters for your arguement certainly aren't helped when you consider the team had D-league caliber talent surrounding those 3 guys.

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:You got to get to the playoffs in order to do something in it. And last time I checked, 31ppg, 9rpg, 3apg and 2spg on 46% shooting players in the playoffs don't grow on tree's.

Oh and you mean Andre Miller; the same Andre Miller that never made the playoffs before pairing up with Melo? Matters for your arguement certainly aren't helped when you consider the team had D-league caliber talent surrounding those 3 guys.

you keep swinging but missing. "31ppg, 9rpg, 3apg and 2spg on 46%" That was just the last year. Overall he is 24ppg, 7rpg, 42% during playoffs. Only advanced past first round once. ONCE.

BTW, Melo never got past first round until Chauncy shows up.

since when is 24 & 7 considered not doing something in the playoffs? before KG got to Boston he only got past the first round ONCE too, & that was only after Spree & Cassell showed up. what's that got to do with anything? u have to consider the talent that was around these players to get the full picture... to deduce this entire argument down to focus on the sole fact that he only got his team past the first round once is not "painting the whole picture" either.

the nets will instantly try to start to build a team around melo-- new face of the new new york franchise. plus you may even start to see, new team name and gear before the outgoing new jersey team even play their first home game in brooklyn.