crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:did AR play in the second half? I thought he did OK with his minutes in the first

Short short stint in the second half - maybe like 3 minutes.

wow stingy minutes for that guy. Only 7 total minutes knowing full well that Moz and Turiaf had foul trouble.

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:did AR play in the second half? I thought he did OK with his minutes in the first

Short short stint in the second half - maybe like 3 minutes.

wow stingy minutes for that guy. Only 7 total minutes knowing full well that Moz and Turiaf had foul trouble.

the whole AR/MDA thing reminds me of Camby/JVG thing in their first season.

that situation with Camby led to a rift between JVG and Grunfeld. I wonder if MDA and Walsh have a falling out over AR?

Bippity10 wrote:I am on board with most regarding AR's potential but he has been awful this year. His energy level is amongst teh lowest on the team. We should see him streaking after rebounds like Landry is doing. If he's not doing that then he makes too many mistakes to give him minutes in my view.

agreed... he looks lazy, showing no hustle, no emotion, no intensity whatsoever... those high flying dunk highlights we've all seen make us all drool about this kid's upside but so far he hasn't shown any of it in the early going.

Finestrg wrote:

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I am on board with most regarding AR's potential but he has been awful this year. His energy level is amongst teh lowest on the team. We should see him streaking after rebounds like Landry is doing. If he's not doing that then he makes too many mistakes to give him minutes in my view.

agreed... he looks lazy, showing no hustle, no emotion, no intensity whatsoever... those high flying dunk highlights we've all seen make us all drool about this kid's upside but so far he hasn't shown any of it in the early going.

I agree with that assessment but just to be fair it's tough to show much of anything in less than 10 mins of PT. Last night the dude got a hair over 6 mins...SIX. I hear Martin and everyone else that's saying 'hey, you gotta earn it buddy' -- normally I'd agree with that but the way he's being handled which is basically 'show me something in a couple of mins or else I'm yankin' ya and you're gonna sit' IS NOT WORKING. If something's not working logic usually dictates that you try something else, no? All I'm sayin'..The bottom line is that the Knicks need to get this guy right somehow -- it's plain as day..Either he could wind up helping us and be part of the solution or they get him to the point where they boost his trade value. Either way helps NY in the long run...But this show me something in a couple of mins is BS..He's not responding to it. try something else...I think he's worth the time and energy for us to get him right. I hear what you guys are saying though -- even if you get 2 mins, get out there and bust your ass and make the most of those 2 mins. Can't argue that. I guess I'm just one of the few out there who thinks it would be in our best interest for us to go the extra mile with him in order to try and get him going.

Yeah, i completely agree, Fine.

AR's playing time seems like a token gesture at this point so MDA can turn to Walsh and say "see, I gave him a chance!"

The problem has something to do with AR's effort level, but I'm guessing he's mainly confused as to what his role is.

We've all seen this team play - what do we think AR is hearing from the coaching staff? The only thing we've heard from the coaching staff is "keep shooting threes" and "stay out of the paint, Landry, don't move so much without the ball."

This is really an embarassment to basketball. I get pissed off whenever I think about D'Antoni now. This is EXACTLY like Larry Brown - we're going to go down while this little dictator waits to get wins HIS way and HIS WAY ONLY.

Anyone who thinks AR has been given a role and he's failing to produce in it is crazy. AR hasn't been given anything. Maybe he needs to earn it in practice... but you think he's earning it less than Mozgov? Maybe D'Antoni needs to put a little faith in a 6'11" kid who has averaged 12ppg and 9rpg in two years in the league.

God, I'm starting to hate MDA the more i think about what a piece of **** coach he is.

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I am on board with most regarding AR's potential but he has been awful this year. His energy level is amongst teh lowest on the team. We should see him streaking after rebounds like Landry is doing. If he's not doing that then he makes too many mistakes to give him minutes in my view.

agreed... he looks lazy, showing no hustle, no emotion, no intensity whatsoever... those high flying dunk highlights we've all seen make us all drool about this kid's upside but so far he hasn't shown any of it in the early going.

I agree with that assessment but just to be fair it's tough to show much of anything in less than 10 mins of PT. Last night the dude got a hair over 6 mins...SIX. I hear Martin and everyone else that's saying 'hey, you gotta earn it buddy' -- normally I'd agree with that but the way he's being handled which is basically 'show me something in a couple of mins or else I'm yankin' ya and you're gonna sit' IS NOT WORKING. If something's not working logic usually dictates that you try something else, no? All I'm sayin'..The bottom line is that the Knicks need to get this guy right somehow -- it's plain as day..Either he could wind up helping us and be part of the solution or they get him to the point where they boost his trade value. Either way helps NY in the long run...But this show me something in a couple of mins is BS..He's not responding to it. try something else...I think he's worth the time and energy for us to get him right. I hear what you guys are saying though -- even if you get 2 mins, get out there and bust your ass and make the most of those 2 mins. Can't argue that. I guess I'm just one of the few out there who thinks it would be in our best interest for us to go the extra mile with him in order to try and get him going.

Yeah, i completely agree, Fine.

AR's playing time seems like a token gesture at this point so MDA can turn to Walsh and say "see, I gave him a chance!"

The problem has something to do with AR's effort level, but I'm guessing he's mainly confused as to what his role is.

We've all seen this team play - what do we think AR is hearing from the coaching staff? The only thing we've heard from the coaching staff is "keep shooting threes" and "stay out of the paint, Landry, don't move so much without the ball."

This is really an embarassment to basketball. I get pissed off whenever I think about D'Antoni now. This is EXACTLY like Larry Brown - we're going to go down while this little dictator waits to get wins HIS way and HIS WAY ONLY.

Anyone who thinks AR has been given a role and he's failing to produce in it is crazy. AR hasn't been given anything. Maybe he needs to earn it in practice... but you think he's earning it less than Mozgov? Maybe D'Antoni needs to put a little faith in a 6'11" kid who has averaged 12ppg and 9rpg in two years in the league.

God, I'm starting to hate MDA the more i think about what a piece of **** coach he is.

I really think that people need to separate the way players fail to do what they're told from what the coaching staff is actually teaching them to do. For one thing lets get this straight, MDA didn't say he doesn't want guys cutting, he said that Landry was cutting too soon at times. Not all the time, but enough to mess up some plays. Now do you think that perhaps MDA has more of a handle on that than most fans since he's pouring over the game tapes? He's not telling guys to just stand around and shoot 3's!!! This over exaggeration needs to stop. It's not the COACH, it's the PLAYERS!!! How many years will we look for a some savior coach when it's clear that the players are making poor decisions?

The bad shots by guys like TD that come at the wrong time are what's killing us. Guys aren't recognizing what they need to do at any given moment. There were so many missed passes that would've led to great scoring opportunities, that it made me crazy. Both of our PG's are horrid at setting up teammates, so how is that MDA's fault? Is that ever good for a team, much less a D'Antoni team?

it's an uncomfortable balance.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:
I really think that people need to separate the way players fail to do what they're told from what the coaching staff is actually teaching them to do. For one thing lets get this straight, MDA didn't say he doesn't want guys cutting, he said that Landry was cutting too soon at times. Not all the time, but enough to mess up some plays. Now do you think that perhaps MDA has more of a handle on that than most fans since he's pouring over the game tapes? He's not telling guys to just stand around and shoot 3's!!! This over exaggeration needs to stop. It's not the COACH, it's the PLAYERS!!! How many years will we look for a some savior coach when it's clear that the players are making poor decisions?

The bad shots by guys like TD that come at the wrong time are what's killing us. Guys aren't recognizing what they need to do at any given moment. There were so many missed passes that would've led to great scoring opportunities, that it made me crazy. Both of our PG's are horrid at setting up teammates, so how is that MDA's fault? Is that ever good for a team, much less a D'Antoni team?

Did Coach MDA preventing Landry from cutting while a play was being run for Amar'e help anything? Because to me it looked like the entire team stood around and watched from the 3pt line whenever Amare got the ball. The team was -20 with Amar'e on the floor until that spurt at the end of the game.

The players are surely to blame for some stuff - but their effort has been good. Their decision making hasn't been great as far as shot selection, but that's why coaches are supposed to come up with plays sometimes. MDA's game plan calls for great decision making from his guards. So what if he doesn't have an MVP caliber PG running the show? What's the plan then? Sit on his hands and pout until they trade for one?

Any good NBA coach would win 45 games with this team. MDA is stubbornly waiting to recapture the magic he had in Phoenix that seems like it had a lot to do with Steve Nash.

If you run plays the players STILL HAVE TO EXECUTE. They still have to adjust to what the defense does and make the right decision. That's where things are breaking down. It's not the plays Mike is or isn't calling.