[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Instead of Bashing Marbury and The Knicks, Why Not Simply Take A Vacation?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 18 of 25 « First‹ Previous 16  17  18  19  20 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
7/31/2007  3:51 PM
bippity - of course JJ was necessary.

who was playing small forward instead?



[Edited by - misterearl on 07-31-2007 3:57 PM]
once a knick always a knick
AUTOADVERT
martin
Posts: 80223
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
7/31/2007  4:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - of course JJ was necessary.

who was playing small forward instead?



[Edited by - misterearl on 07-31-2007 3:57 PM]

Q?
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
7/31/2007  4:07 PM
Martin - not with that jacked up vertebrae he wasn't

His back issues were well-documented and Isiah needed some insurance, yes?

With that said, I STILL don't have total faith that Quentin's back can carry him through an entire NBA season.

once a knick always a knick
Panos
Posts: 30588
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/6/2004
Member: #520
7/31/2007  4:41 PM
How about Ariza then?
Oops, we traded him.
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
8/1/2007  9:22 AM
Panos - the correct answer is that the Knicks were desperately thin at the three spot

Jeffries was not a perfect deal but an avialable deal that Zeke felt had to be made. I could care less about the chedda.

In two years Jeffries will be a distant memory as Wilson Chandler is a grizzled veteran at 23 years old

Life go on
once a knick always a knick
Panos
Posts: 30588
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/6/2004
Member: #520
8/1/2007  9:31 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Panos - the correct answer is that the Knicks were desperately thin at the three spot

Jeffries was not a perfect deal but an avialable deal that Zeke felt had to be made. I could care less about the chedda.

In two years Jeffries will be a distant memory as Wilson Chandler is a grizzled veteran at 23 years old

Life go on


Ha ha, I know you could care less about the cheddah, but unfortunately, said cheddah makes him untradeable, and in 2 years he will not be a distant memory, cuz he'll still be here!
If he didn't get such a stupid contract, perhaps I.T. could undo his mistake, but no...
martin
Posts: 80223
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
8/1/2007  9:32 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Panos - the correct answer is that the Knicks were desperately thin at the three spot

Jeffries was not a perfect deal but an avialable deal that Zeke felt had to be made. I could care less about the chedda.

In two years Jeffries will be a distant memory as Wilson Chandler is a grizzled veteran at 23 years old

Life go on

here's the worry though... with JJ and his contract and his kicker in the contract, Isiah has to give him minutes, and that takes away from Balk, Chandler Bing and Nicholas. I just hope there are minutes to go around.

And if Q is feeling good enough to go? Does Isiah have the balls to completely bench JJ?
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
8/1/2007  9:38 AM
Panos - people thought that Clarence Weathrspoon and his hefty cxontract were also untradeable

C'mon bro, the freakin' Celtics just dealt away Theo Ratliff's contract

I thought he was dead

Martin - best five start

the prime directive is still, and always will be, "you suck, you sit"
once a knick always a knick
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
8/1/2007  9:42 AM
Martin - no worries

You cannot deny royalty. If Chandler continues to develop the skills he displayed playing in Vegas, or Balkman hits just a few open jump shots... I have total confidence the head coach will test their mettle in game conditions.

Nichols could make an intriguing prospect at two guard. he's too thin to "man up" and bump big bodies at the three.

but what do I know?

The burning question remains, who is checking Paul Pierce?
once a knick always a knick
arkrud
Posts: 32217
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/31/2005
Member: #995
USA
8/1/2007  10:53 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Martin - no worries

You cannot deny royalty. If Chandler continues to develop the skills he displayed playing in Vegas, or Balkman hits just a few open jump shots... I have total confidence the head coach will test their mettle in game conditions.

Nichols could make an intriguing prospect at two guard. he's too thin to "man up" and bump big bodies at the three.

but what do I know?

The burning question remains, who is checking Paul Pierce?

Balk can do this. But is he getting some playing time after skinny boom and damaged Q?
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
martin
Posts: 80223
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
8/1/2007  10:54 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Panos - people thought that Clarence Weathrspoon and his hefty cxontract were also untradeable

C'mon bro, the freakin' Celtics just dealt away Theo Ratliff's contract

I thought he was dead

Martin - best five start

the prime directive is still, and always will be, "you suck, you sit"

Isiah doesn't know either of these rules... remember the games logged by James and his 3 fouls in 2 minutes?
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
8/1/2007  11:14 AM
Most NBA teams that are run well and are following a plan don't find themselves in successive years desperate to find a center and a SF because they didn't plan ahead and now have to overpay just to get one on the roster. But finding yourself without a player at an important position in any ONE particular year is possible. What are your options

You look at your roster and you look at your realistic goals and see what your options are. We had Q at the SF position so we needed a backup that was capable of starting should he be injured.

Option 1: Since this player is a part-time player(backup and injury replacement) and you aren't winning a championship you are not in a desperate position. No need to overpay to fill a back up role just in case Q gets hurt. Find a young and hungry player with potential. If that is not available, find a vet that can fill in and will sign for 1-3 years at a minimum price. Making them tradeable or simply not sign them the following year should you draft a good rookie(which we did). Thus making it easier to trim the fat

Option 2: Overpay for a vet making him difficult to trade and either taking time away from rookies, rotting on your bench or preventing you from signing any opportunites that come up.

Option 2 is a move that teams that are on the cusp may make. They may hope a Jeffries is able to put them over the top and will take a chance on him. Bad teams should not be desperate to find someone at a position since they will be bad anyway.Bad teams should not be giving large contracts to marginal role players. Bad teams should be positioning themselves for future opportunities. Guys like Jeffries are not horrible for the roster. But the way we signed him just once again shows the lack of foresight which we are hoping Isiah has gained.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-08-2007 11:20 AM]
I just hope that people will like me
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
8/1/2007  11:17 AM
bippity - how could anyone predict Quentin's family trauma of his first season?
once a knick always a knick
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
8/1/2007  11:21 AM
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - how could anyone predict Quentin's family trauma of his first season?

What does that have to do with anything?
I just hope that people will like me
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
8/1/2007  11:22 AM
The truth about the Jeffries signing is simple. Isiah created a mess by pairing LB with the crew from the year before. He brought in 3 seperate rosters and lost with all of them, blaming the coach for the lack of performance. Dolan placed Isiah in charge and gave him an ultimatum. Desperate to save his job he overpaid JJ2 to get some energy on the roster. Isiah was desperate, the Knicks were not.
I just hope that people will like me
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
8/1/2007  11:25 AM
Misterearl: Anyone on our roster could have a family issue, or an injury at any given point. Does that mean you sign all there backups to 5 year 30+ million dollar contracts(thus making them difficult to trade) just in case something happens to the starter?
I just hope that people will like me
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
8/1/2007  11:42 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

The truth about the Jeffries signing is simple. Isiah created a mess by pairing LB with the crew from the year before. He brought in 3 seperate rosters and lost with all of them, blaming the coach for the lack of performance. Dolan placed Isiah in charge and gave him an ultimatum. Desperate to save his job he overpaid JJ2 to get some energy on the roster. Isiah was desperate, the Knicks were not.
In terms of the 3 different roster thing, what would you rather have, Isiah clinging to a group that ultimately wouldn't get it done or for him to keep making deals in an effort to improve the team? Now in the shortrun that wasn't gonna guarantee wins, but for our longterm outlook it has ended up giving us a good young core to move forward with.

You shouldn't get so caught up in the recent losing records, cuz no matter what we did, this team was facing some growing pains. If we took the rebuild route we'd have lose big for a few years for that to work. In this case we still lost, but we have to remember that Dolan played a part in this to. He wants fans in seats and watching on MSG. Isiah's methods are no different than those of the Yankees. It's hard for these teams to break it down and basically tell the fans we're gonna be irrelevant for a few years, so don't bother coming to the games or watching. When you rebuild in NY that's basically what you're saying.

Now what Isiah has done is sneak the rebuild in. You can't look at this team now and say that it bears any resemblance to the old vet team that it once was. We're now coming into the 3rd year of his rebuild on the fly. It doesn't look that bad. We look to be fairly young and competitive. No so green that we can't win and not so old that we're a win now team.
Panos
Posts: 30588
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/6/2004
Member: #520
8/1/2007  12:11 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:

The truth about the Jeffries signing is simple. Isiah created a mess by pairing LB with the crew from the year before. He brought in 3 seperate rosters and lost with all of them, blaming the coach for the lack of performance. Dolan placed Isiah in charge and gave him an ultimatum. Desperate to save his job he overpaid JJ2 to get some energy on the roster. Isiah was desperate, the Knicks were not.
In terms of the 3 different roster thing, what would you rather have, Isiah clinging to a group that ultimately wouldn't get it done or for him to keep making deals in an effort to improve the team? Now in the shortrun that wasn't gonna guarantee wins, but for our longterm outlook it has ended up giving us a good young core to move forward with.

You shouldn't get so caught up in the recent losing records, cuz no matter what we did, this team was facing some growing pains. If we took the rebuild route we'd have lose big for a few years for that to work. In this case we still lost, but we have to remember that Dolan played a part in this to. He wants fans in seats and watching on MSG. Isiah's methods are no different than those of the Yankees. It's hard for these teams to break it down and basically tell the fans we're gonna be irrelevant for a few years, so don't bother coming to the games or watching. When you rebuild in NY that's basically what you're saying.

Now what Isiah has done is sneak the rebuild in. You can't look at this team now and say that it bears any resemblance to the old vet team that it once was. We're now coming into the 3rd year of his rebuild on the fly. It doesn't look that bad. We look to be fairly young and competitive. No so green that we can't win and not so old that we're a win now team.

How do you define "rebuild on the fly?" I define it as retooling while still being a good team.
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
8/1/2007  1:32 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:

The truth about the Jeffries signing is simple. Isiah created a mess by pairing LB with the crew from the year before. He brought in 3 seperate rosters and lost with all of them, blaming the coach for the lack of performance. Dolan placed Isiah in charge and gave him an ultimatum. Desperate to save his job he overpaid JJ2 to get some energy on the roster. Isiah was desperate, the Knicks were not.
In terms of the 3 different roster thing, what would you rather have, Isiah clinging to a group that ultimately wouldn't get it done or for him to keep making deals in an effort to improve the team? Now in the shortrun that wasn't gonna guarantee wins, but for our longterm outlook it has ended up giving us a good young core to move forward with.

You shouldn't get so caught up in the recent losing records, cuz no matter what we did, this team was facing some growing pains. If we took the rebuild route we'd have lose big for a few years for that to work. In this case we still lost, but we have to remember that Dolan played a part in this to. He wants fans in seats and watching on MSG. Isiah's methods are no different than those of the Yankees. It's hard for these teams to break it down and basically tell the fans we're gonna be irrelevant for a few years, so don't bother coming to the games or watching. When you rebuild in NY that's basically what you're saying.

Now what Isiah has done is sneak the rebuild in. You can't look at this team now and say that it bears any resemblance to the old vet team that it once was. We're now coming into the 3rd year of his rebuild on the fly. It doesn't look that bad. We look to be fairly young and competitive. No so green that we can't win and not so old that we're a win now team.

NO, I'd rather he simply stop wasting resources.
I just hope that people will like me
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
8/1/2007  2:48 PM
bippity - you know i love you like a red-headed step child on my Aunt Sadie's side of the family, but honestly...

other than Dolan's checkbook...

what were Isiah's three most valuable resources when he took over?
once a knick always a knick
Page 18 of 25 « First‹ Previous 16  17  18  19  20 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Instead of Bashing Marbury and The Knicks, Why Not Simply Take A Vacation?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy