Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Elite:

Man im late... but heres what i think for those interested

MAIN PROBLEM: We handled this horribly... just an embaressment and inhuman way of dangling someones life and job like that... Were they just waiting for the finals to be over so they could be the headline? i mean come on.. this is obserd

ITS A GOOD THING BECAUSE: Long term we will be better... Not because Isiah is a better coach... But because we are one step closer to having Isiah gone and someone in here that is going to make the right moves... If isiah cant do it he will be fired and then byebye bull****... But at least he will be able to put his plan in motion now. So be it. Better than having larry brown contridict everything Isiah was trying to do.

Now we will get to see Frye, Lee, Jamal, Nate... all the players we wanted to see last year... so in that, i breathe a sigh of relief.

Funny thing listening to the radio and posters voicing their opinions...Lots have the same opinion as you do..I do support Isiah and hope he does well and is able to turn thinks around..I'm not that old and don't claim to know the world..But one thing I know and have experienced...Don't ever bet against guys like Isiah...For what ever reason it is, they land on their feet...I bet you though Brown had more clout in this organization than Zeke....Bro they call him Zeke for a reason...So you can root for the Knicks to fail miserably to finally be rid of Isiah...Just don't get to the point where you are rooting for them to fail in the midst of a Championship run...

Isiah is not a bad coach..he is young and may be just what this team needs with the infusion of new young and upcoming coaches in the NBA...I just hope you guys don't get caught on the wrong side of the fence, and instead of us all talking about how good it is to see the Knicks finally get things right, most of you will be lost just spewing hate because you don't want to except success if it comes under Isiah....You heard it here first, don't bet against Zeke...

Holfresh, the question is don't bet against Isiah to do what? Fail? He has already failed on numerous moves as a GM including the MoT trade, the Jerome James signing, the Eddy Curry exchange and, as time progresses, even the Marbury deal. As I've maintained, the evaluation of the Marbury deal had to be based on the time management of assets - either designing a complementary roster or selling later at a profitable quote, but, critically, doing either before the depreciation of the asset. At this point, it would be wise to accept a suitor at the deadline. As other have suggested, however, Isiah may be tempted to mortgage our assets to relieve the immediate pressure of coaching a losing team.

Don't bet against him getting 40 wins as a coach? Well, I'm not. In fact, everyone should expect a baseline improvement due to the experience gained by our 2005 picks. Who knows, maybe Curry will play real basketball this year. Regardless, it will be especially frustrating to have some around here extol Isiah after the ineviatable mediocrity of next season - lets not underestimate 1 full year of experience as a team as well as Marbury's absence during the 2nd half of last season and go overboard with the Zeke "magic" crap.

At the same time, it will be an unequivocal disaster to fire Isiah after a hypothetical 35 win season. The optimal solution relieves Isiah of his GM duties GM but retains him as the coach. While Larry remains the far superior coach, Isiah is serviceable and Dolan/Mills need to prioritize the implementation of defined roles and a consistent, comprehensive vision in the development of our rookies. Ultimately, repeated coaching changes (at the head and assistant) undermine the hierarchy of organized basketball and hinder the progress of our players, which hinges on improving 1 on 1 skills with assistant coaches and recognizing the empirical foundations of the head coach's game-plan.

The roster requires significant turnover, including Francis and/or Marbury, and these pieces need to be dealt responsibly.
In other words, we can choose to emphasize either offense, defense or a combination of the two - the only goal is to maximize (offense + defense) through the acquisition of comlpementary parts. Here, of course, is where I bet against Isiah.

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Elite:

Man im late... but heres what i think for those interested

MAIN PROBLEM: We handled this horribly... just an embaressment and inhuman way of dangling someones life and job like that... Were they just waiting for the finals to be over so they could be the headline? i mean come on.. this is obserd

ITS A GOOD THING BECAUSE: Long term we will be better... Not because Isiah is a better coach... But because we are one step closer to having Isiah gone and someone in here that is going to make the right moves... If isiah cant do it he will be fired and then byebye bull****... But at least he will be able to put his plan in motion now. So be it. Better than having larry brown contridict everything Isiah was trying to do.

Now we will get to see Frye, Lee, Jamal, Nate... all the players we wanted to see last year... so in that, i breathe a sigh of relief.

Funny thing listening to the radio and posters voicing their opinions...Lots have the same opinion as you do..I do support Isiah and hope he does well and is able to turn thinks around..I'm not that old and don't claim to know the world..But one thing I know and have experienced...Don't ever bet against guys like Isiah...For what ever reason it is, they land on their feet...I bet you though Brown had more clout in this organization than Zeke....Bro they call him Zeke for a reason...So you can root for the Knicks to fail miserably to finally be rid of Isiah...Just don't get to the point where you are rooting for them to fail in the midst of a Championship run...

Isiah is not a bad coach..he is young and may be just what this team needs with the infusion of new young and upcoming coaches in the NBA...I just hope you guys don't get caught on the wrong side of the fence, and instead of us all talking about how good it is to see the Knicks finally get things right, most of you will be lost just spewing hate because you don't want to except success if it comes under Isiah....You heard it here first, don't bet against Zeke...

Holfresh, the question is don't bet against Isiah to do what? Fail? He has already failed on numerous moves as a GM including the MoT trade, the Jerome James signing, the Eddy Curry exchange and, as time progresses, even the Marbury deal. As I've maintained, the evaluation of the Marbury deal had to be based on the time management of assets - either designing a complementary roster or selling later at a profitable quote, but, critically, doing either before the depreciation of the asset. At this point, it would be wise to accept a suitor at the deadline. As other have suggested, however, Isiah may be tempted to mortgage our assets to relieve the immediate pressure of coaching a losing team.

Don't bet against him getting 40 wins as a coach? Well, I'm not. In fact, everyone should expect a baseline improvement due to the experience gained by our 2005 picks. Who knows, maybe Curry will play real basketball this year. Regardless, it will be especially frustrating to have some around here extol Isiah after the ineviatable mediocrity of next season - lets not underestimate 1 full year of experience as a team as well as Marbury's absence during the 2nd half of last season and go overboard with the Zeke "magic" crap.

At the same time, it will be an unequivocal disaster to fire Isiah after a hypothetical 35 win season. The optimal solution relieves Isiah of his GM duties GM but retains him as the coach. While Larry remains the far superior coach, Isiah is serviceable and Dolan/Mills need to prioritize the implementation of defined roles and a consistent, comprehensive vision in the development of our rookies. Ultimately, repeated coaching changes (at the head and assistant) undermine the hierarchy of organized basketball and hinder the progress of our players, which hinges on improving 1 on 1 skills with assistant coaches and recognizing the empirical foundations of the head coach's game-plan.

The roster requires significant turnover, including Francis and/or Marbury, and these pieces need to be dealt responsibly.
In other words, we can choose to emphasize either offense, defense or a combination of the two - the only goal is to maximize (offense + defense) through the acquisition of comlpementary parts. Here, of course, is where I bet against Isiah.

Please allow me the opportunity to profusely express gratitude to you for taking time away from your indistinguishable sessions with your manuscripts to inpart elucidate me to the errors of my assumptions...My discourse was intended for those who prematurely adjudicate the new situation as one that is detrimental to the future of Isiah Thomas...Isiah is a tough individual who has encountered these obstacles in life to get where he is now...In other words, this is no fluke... Don't be so eager to hitch you wagon to the locomotive steaming to the perceived commencement of Isiah's downfall...This cat is a surviver...


[Edited by - holfresh on 06-23-2006 01:24 AM]

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Elite:

Man im late... but heres what i think for those interested

MAIN PROBLEM: We handled this horribly... just an embaressment and inhuman way of dangling someones life and job like that... Were they just waiting for the finals to be over so they could be the headline? i mean come on.. this is obserd

ITS A GOOD THING BECAUSE: Long term we will be better... Not because Isiah is a better coach... But because we are one step closer to having Isiah gone and someone in here that is going to make the right moves... If isiah cant do it he will be fired and then byebye bull****... But at least he will be able to put his plan in motion now. So be it. Better than having larry brown contridict everything Isiah was trying to do.

Now we will get to see Frye, Lee, Jamal, Nate... all the players we wanted to see last year... so in that, i breathe a sigh of relief.

Funny thing listening to the radio and posters voicing their opinions...Lots have the same opinion as you do..I do support Isiah and hope he does well and is able to turn thinks around..I'm not that old and don't claim to know the world..But one thing I know and have experienced...Don't ever bet against guys like Isiah...For what ever reason it is, they land on their feet...I bet you though Brown had more clout in this organization than Zeke....Bro they call him Zeke for a reason...So you can root for the Knicks to fail miserably to finally be rid of Isiah...Just don't get to the point where you are rooting for them to fail in the midst of a Championship run...

Isiah is not a bad coach..he is young and may be just what this team needs with the infusion of new young and upcoming coaches in the NBA...I just hope you guys don't get caught on the wrong side of the fence, and instead of us all talking about how good it is to see the Knicks finally get things right, most of you will be lost just spewing hate because you don't want to except success if it comes under Isiah....You heard it here first, don't bet against Zeke...

Holfresh, the question is don't bet against Isiah to do what? Fail? He has already failed on numerous moves as a GM including the MoT trade, the Jerome James signing, the Eddy Curry exchange and, as time progresses, even the Marbury deal. As I've maintained, the evaluation of the Marbury deal had to be based on the time management of assets - either designing a complementary roster or selling later at a profitable quote, but, critically, doing either before the depreciation of the asset. At this point, it would be wise to accept a suitor at the deadline. As other have suggested, however, Isiah may be tempted to mortgage our assets to relieve the immediate pressure of coaching a losing team.

Don't bet against him getting 40 wins as a coach? Well, I'm not. In fact, everyone should expect a baseline improvement due to the experience gained by our 2005 picks. Who knows, maybe Curry will play real basketball this year. Regardless, it will be especially frustrating to have some around here extol Isiah after the ineviatable mediocrity of next season - lets not underestimate 1 full year of experience as a team as well as Marbury's absence during the 2nd half of last season and go overboard with the Zeke "magic" crap.

At the same time, it will be an unequivocal disaster to fire Isiah after a hypothetical 35 win season. The optimal solution relieves Isiah of his GM duties GM but retains him as the coach. While Larry remains the far superior coach, Isiah is serviceable and Dolan/Mills need to prioritize the implementation of defined roles and a consistent, comprehensive vision in the development of our rookies. Ultimately, repeated coaching changes (at the head and assistant) undermine the hierarchy of organized basketball and hinder the progress of our players, which hinges on improving 1 on 1 skills with assistant coaches and recognizing the empirical foundations of the head coach's game-plan.

The roster requires significant turnover, including Francis and/or Marbury, and these pieces need to be dealt responsibly.
In other words, we can choose to emphasize either offense, defense or a combination of the two - the only goal is to maximize (offense + defense) through the acquisition of comlpementary parts. Here, of course, is where I bet against Isiah.

Please allow me the opportunity to profusely express gratitude to you for taking time away from your indistinguishable sessions with your manuscripts to inpart elucidate me to the errors of my assumptions...My discourse was intended for those who prematurely adjudicate the new situation as one that is detrimental to the future of Isiah Thomas...Isiah is a tough individual who has encountered these obstacles in life to get where he is now...In other words, this is no fluke... Don't be so eager to hitch you wagon to the locomotive steaming to the perceived commencement of Isiah's downfall...This cat is a surviver...


[Edited by - holfresh on 06-23-2006 01:24 AM]

1. How would you know anything about my involvement with manuscripts of any kind?

2. What qualifies as an indistinguishable session with a manuscript?

3. Those who are still hesitant to adjudicate the "new" situation are Retards because sufficient empirical evidence is present to determine Isiah's tendencies both as a coach and a gm. Bottom line - Isiah can succeed but it will be difficult and he has to modify his "home-run" mentality.

4. Holfresh: "Isiah is a tough indiviual... this is no fluke" What isn't a fluke? That he's coach now after having no plan and disrespecting 3 Hall of Fame coaches. Why are you so concerned about Isiah's career and future? Relax. If he succeeds, great. If not, bring some else in who will.

5. You should be profusely grateful to me because I'm right.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by holfresh:


Yeah, please tell me you will pick Bargnani over Curry...

yes.

7 ' 250 range out to 3 runs the floor can put the ball on the ground and drive it

vs

the fat acrobat


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-22-2006 2:41 PM]

Listening to Mike and Mad Dog yesterday, Rod Thorn a respected GM in this league says Bargnani will be a project at best in this league..He does not expect him to be a player at all...So he can be your number one guy that lost of people project him to be..I'll take the fat acrobat as most GMs would do....

Careful listening to what anyone in any NBA organization says about any player before the draft. They usually have other motives (like trying to make Bargani drop and trading up to nab him without getting the #1, etc...)

If the kid is any good, it's gonna take more imagination than that to get him to drop to the 22nd or 23rd slot...

Right, that's why I said they may be looking to trade up if he falls. The truth is that I wouldn't trust the word of a GM until the day after the draft. Remember before the Yao Ming draft, three or four GMs came out and said they thought Yao would be a bust and Wang was better than him.. all in the efforts of trying to make Yao drop; it didn't work, but sometimes it does. What's more effective is the tactic of overhyping an inferior player (ala Mike Dunleavy) and having a foolish team take him early.

Are you serious ??? Overhyping Mike Dunleavy????? Mike Dunleavy??? Mike Dunleavy who was a projected #1 pick for 2 years. No Mike's career may not have panned out like he and many thought but no single GM cunning hyped up Dunleavy. The NBA, NCAA and the rest of the world believed his hype based on his play.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Elite:

Man im late... but heres what i think for those interested

MAIN PROBLEM: We handled this horribly... just an embaressment and inhuman way of dangling someones life and job like that... Were they just waiting for the finals to be over so they could be the headline? i mean come on.. this is obserd

ITS A GOOD THING BECAUSE: Long term we will be better... Not because Isiah is a better coach... But because we are one step closer to having Isiah gone and someone in here that is going to make the right moves... If isiah cant do it he will be fired and then byebye bull****... But at least he will be able to put his plan in motion now. So be it. Better than having larry brown contridict everything Isiah was trying to do.

Now we will get to see Frye, Lee, Jamal, Nate... all the players we wanted to see last year... so in that, i breathe a sigh of relief.

Funny thing listening to the radio and posters voicing their opinions...Lots have the same opinion as you do..I do support Isiah and hope he does well and is able to turn thinks around..I'm not that old and don't claim to know the world..But one thing I know and have experienced...Don't ever bet against guys like Isiah...For what ever reason it is, they land on their feet...I bet you though Brown had more clout in this organization than Zeke....Bro they call him Zeke for a reason...So you can root for the Knicks to fail miserably to finally be rid of Isiah...Just don't get to the point where you are rooting for them to fail in the midst of a Championship run...

Isiah is not a bad coach..he is young and may be just what this team needs with the infusion of new young and upcoming coaches in the NBA...I just hope you guys don't get caught on the wrong side of the fence, and instead of us all talking about how good it is to see the Knicks finally get things right, most of you will be lost just spewing hate because you don't want to except success if it comes under Isiah....You heard it here first, don't bet against Zeke...

Holfresh, the question is don't bet against Isiah to do what? Fail? He has already failed on numerous moves as a GM including the MoT trade, the Jerome James signing, the Eddy Curry exchange and, as time progresses, even the Marbury deal. As I've maintained, the evaluation of the Marbury deal had to be based on the time management of assets - either designing a complementary roster or selling later at a profitable quote, but, critically, doing either before the depreciation of the asset. At this point, it would be wise to accept a suitor at the deadline. As other have suggested, however, Isiah may be tempted to mortgage our assets to relieve the immediate pressure of coaching a losing team.

Don't bet against him getting 40 wins as a coach? Well, I'm not. In fact, everyone should expect a baseline improvement due to the experience gained by our 2005 picks. Who knows, maybe Curry will play real basketball this year. Regardless, it will be especially frustrating to have some around here extol Isiah after the ineviatable mediocrity of next season - lets not underestimate 1 full year of experience as a team as well as Marbury's absence during the 2nd half of last season and go overboard with the Zeke "magic" crap.

At the same time, it will be an unequivocal disaster to fire Isiah after a hypothetical 35 win season. The optimal solution relieves Isiah of his GM duties GM but retains him as the coach. While Larry remains the far superior coach, Isiah is serviceable and Dolan/Mills need to prioritize the implementation of defined roles and a consistent, comprehensive vision in the development of our rookies. Ultimately, repeated coaching changes (at the head and assistant) undermine the hierarchy of organized basketball and hinder the progress of our players, which hinges on improving 1 on 1 skills with assistant coaches and recognizing the empirical foundations of the head coach's game-plan.

The roster requires significant turnover, including Francis and/or Marbury, and these pieces need to be dealt responsibly.
In other words, we can choose to emphasize either offense, defense or a combination of the two - the only goal is to maximize (offense + defense) through the acquisition of comlpementary parts. Here, of course, is where I bet against Isiah.

Please allow me the opportunity to profusely express gratitude to you for taking time away from your indistinguishable sessions with your manuscripts to inpart elucidate me to the errors of my assumptions...My discourse was intended for those who prematurely adjudicate the new situation as one that is detrimental to the future of Isiah Thomas...Isiah is a tough individual who has encountered these obstacles in life to get where he is now...In other words, this is no fluke... Don't be so eager to hitch you wagon to the locomotive steaming to the perceived commencement of Isiah's downfall...This cat is a surviver...


[Edited by - holfresh on 06-23-2006 01:24 AM]

1. How would you know anything about my involvement with manuscripts of any kind?

2. What qualifies as an indistinguishable session with a manuscript?

3. Those who are still hesitant to adjudicate the "new" situation are Retards because sufficient empirical evidence is present to determine Isiah's tendencies both as a coach and a gm. Bottom line - Isiah can succeed but it will be difficult and he has to modify his "home-run" mentality.

4. Holfresh: "Isiah is a tough indiviual... this is no fluke" What isn't a fluke? That he's coach now after having no plan and disrespecting 3 Hall of Fame coaches. Why are you so concerned about Isiah's career and future? Relax. If he succeeds, great. If not, bring some else in who will.

5. You should be profusely grateful to me because I'm right.

Well Code please ignore my attempts at humor to retort your use of SAT words, I felt a need to respond in a like manner...

I wasn't aware I was expressing concern for Isiah career and future, but since you brought it up, I think I should be concerned about his career and future, because it has a direct effect on the basketball team that I have grown fond of....Excuse the run-on sentence...

You are assuming Isiah has a "home run" mentality...I simple think he is carry out the mandate that Dolan has put upon him...Built a team that can get us to the playoffs...

Isiah has a plan and has stated it many times but your boy Larry Brown decided he had his own agenda...Larry Brown disrespected himself when he decided to jump in the gutter with Marbs...Larry made his own bed, He disobeyed Dolan...You tell me what job you have ever worked, and was able to disobey your boss and keep your job....

Most here who wanted Brown to run the show somehow think that Zeke won't be able to be successsful in his new role...My point was don't count him out...

By the way, I'm always relaxed if you know me...When you are able to enlighten me with something I don't know, then I will be profusely thankful...In the mean time, pick your spots to thump your chest about being right, until what you say or do actually has some semblance of value....

SAT words... Please, we're adults here. Or atleast I hope you are. If you have a comprehnsion problem, I'll be glad to enlighten you.

Regarding insubordination at work - I'm a cardio-thoracic surgeon and also the director of a research institute. As a knowledgeavle resident, I frequently countered attendings and I was frequently right. As a researcher, I did the same. And they were frequently grateful for my insight. Now, as the boss, I appreciate initiative from those that work under me. Medicine is a collaborative strategic effort for residents and attendings - basketball is a collaborative strategic effort for the COACHING staff (not Dolan and not Marbury). Bottom line - Brown calling out Marbury and belittling him is perfectly acceptable - Dolan undermining Brown demonstrates his ignorance of organize basketball. Additionally, if you can't understand why comparing coaching to other jobs is ill-conceived, then you should watch more basketball.

I really don't want to get into a back and forth with you because you say the same 3 things over and over again. I mean if we're talking value, lets just take a poll on this board and settle it. In your thousands of posts, your obsession with Larry Brown is unparalleled. Because of your poor aptitude and/or stubborness, you fail to understand why Larry Brown's insubordination may be justified or, at the very least, palatable for long-term benefit. So, really, what's the point in trying to have a conversation with you? I made a point regarding Isiah's task at hand and you continued with your drivel. Honestly, I'm not even sure what your point is - all people have said is that the odds of Isiah failing are high - and thats hard to dispute. Simply tell me the win total/rookie stats that you consider the threshold of success under Isiah. One that you will be satisfied with.