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rvhoss
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1/11/2006  10:39 PM
among others...just jokes...sleep tight fellas.
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Analysts? You mean Mck1.

Just Killing. Night night.

all kool aid all the time.
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1/11/2006  10:43 PM
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Posted by SlimPack:

you know something guys, for the first time in a while, it feels good to be a knicks fan


Yeah, this is fun!

I mean for a team to actually have a lower FG% and win, that's unusual, but when you shoot 31-33 FT's, 50+ rebounds, 28 offensive rebounds, those were the keys to winning this one against a Good team like Dallas, even though I think they are over-rated.
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1/11/2006  10:47 PM
great win. every night seems to bring a new best win of the season. I'd rank this one ahead of Phoenix in terms of impressiveness.

for the second straight night the Knicks didn't get the majority of the calls, Dallas and Cleveland both got a lot of calls because they're the better teams, but they competed. I can't remember a single game last year where we won when the calls weren't going our way. I think that shows a big improvement in mental toughness.
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1/11/2006  10:55 PM
we gave up a big lead, but we overcame, AD was huge tonight, marbs was great, craw was courageous and Curry and frye were good when they were in the game, why they sat so much is confusing, maybe because the mavs went small, but i still felt one of the guys should of been in. Anyway, guys are playing tough and confident, they feel they belong, they are playing like winners... Good win..
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1/11/2006  10:57 PM
Q also played good D on Josh Howard, sort of made him dissapear for a while...
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1/11/2006  10:58 PM
Posted by tkf:

we gave up a big lead, but we overcame, AD was huge tonight, marbs was great, craw was courageous and Curry and frye were good when they were in the game, why they sat so much is confusing, maybe because the mavs went small, but i still felt one of the guys should of been in. Anyway, guys are playing tough and confident, they feel they belong, they are playing like winners... Good win..

Brown thinks defensive matchup first when it comes to Curry and Frye. AD was playing Dirk really well tonight, I can't argue with him being out there. I didn't like JJames going in, Frye should have stayed out there instead of him in that case.

But Brown does a solid job playing matchup defense and this roster is deep enough that he can do it.
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1/11/2006  10:59 PM
Posted by Knight:

The Knicks are finally winning, the sad thing is is that the Raptors went on a five game winning streak too...are we really a good team or just a team who was tired of being embarrassed and will eventually lose our sense of urgency?

toronto right now, is a lagitimately good team. theyre better than the celtics and philly at least. hopefully they wont get in our way of a playoff run. You dont win 5 games in a row by coincidence.
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1/11/2006  11:02 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Knight:

The Knicks are finally winning, the sad thing is is that the Raptors went on a five game winning streak too...are we really a good team or just a team who was tired of being embarrassed and will eventually lose our sense of urgency?

toronto right now, is a lagitimately good team. theyre better than the celtics and philly at least. hopefully they wont get in our way of a playoff run. You dont win 5 games in a row by coincidence.

The East is just horrible, the Raptors are not good.
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1/11/2006  11:08 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Knight:

The Knicks are finally winning, the sad thing is is that the Raptors went on a five game winning streak too...are we really a good team or just a team who was tired of being embarrassed and will eventually lose our sense of urgency?

toronto right now, is a lagitimately good team. theyre better than the celtics and philly at least. hopefully they wont get in our way of a playoff run. You dont win 5 games in a row by coincidence.

The East is just horrible, the Raptors are not good.

okay well Im not sure right now, But I still think the raptors are the third best team in the atlantic, assuming they are worse than us. But I dont know we'll see. anyway its I guess its perfectly reasonable for you to need more convincing, afterall there are some problems that the knicks still have. but its not like our win streak came against all bad teams.
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1/11/2006  11:11 PM
one thing is for sure, If we lose to the hawks, this 5 game winning streak means nothing.
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1/11/2006  11:11 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Knight:

The Knicks are finally winning, the sad thing is is that the Raptors went on a five game winning streak too...are we really a good team or just a team who was tired of being embarrassed and will eventually lose our sense of urgency?

toronto right now, is a lagitimately good team. theyre better than the celtics and philly at least. hopefully they wont get in our way of a playoff run. You dont win 5 games in a row by coincidence.

The East is just horrible, the Raptors are not good.

Toronto is playing better, but let's compare win streaks for a second:

Toronto:
W vs ATL 108-102
W @ IND 99-97
W @ ATL 108-97
W vs ORL 121-97
W vs HOU 112-92

Knicks:
W vs PHO 140-137
W vs WAS 113-92
W vs SEA 120-116
W @ CLE 92-84
W vs DAL 117-115

I would say the Knicks faced much tougher teams. Indiana is the only decent team Toronto beat and Indy is struggling right now. They beat Atlanta twice, they beat Orlando and Houston with no Yao. We beat the Cavs who have the third best home record in the league, Dallas which has the best road record in the league, Phoenix who has the 4th best road record in the league, and Seattle and Washington who are struggling but both made the second round of the playoffs last year.

The Knicks have turned the corner. They're not going to win'em all from now on, but they're going to be above .500 from here on out. I think they'll make the playoffs.
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1/11/2006  11:15 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Knight:

The Knicks are finally winning, the sad thing is is that the Raptors went on a five game winning streak too...are we really a good team or just a team who was tired of being embarrassed and will eventually lose our sense of urgency?

toronto right now, is a lagitimately good team. theyre better than the celtics and philly at least. hopefully they wont get in our way of a playoff run. You dont win 5 games in a row by coincidence.

The Raptors played indiana, orlando, houston and atlanta twice during their win streak. But then again all those teams beat us except for houston who we havn't played against yet. That was all last year...this feels like a different team. I think if we played them like we are playing now, we could get a few wins.

We've won against the Suns, Cavs, Wizards, Sonics and now the mavs.
I dont know if that makes any difference but these teams are comparably better.
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1/11/2006  11:15 PM
^Toronto had some blowouts though so they did take it to some of the easier teams...meanwhile look at how many points we have given up...and yes I know some of those were overtimes.

[Edited by - Knight on 01-11-2006 11:16 PM]
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1/11/2006  11:17 PM
Sorry crzy, I didn't refresh b4 I posted it.
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1/11/2006  11:17 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

one thing is for sure, If we lose to the hawks, this 5 game winning streak means nothing.

Wow, The Pressure's really on the Knicks now to win that game, I am not sure if they can handle that kind of pressure, this streak is over!.

NOT!
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1/11/2006  11:22 PM
Posted by Knight:

^Toronto had some blowouts though so they did take it to some of the easier teams...meanwhile look at how many points we have given up...and yes I know some of those were overtimes.

[Edited by - Knight on 01-11-2006 11:16 PM]

We do need to work on defense but I think the chemistry is much better and we have a shorter rotation so i think we're definatly on the right track and hopefully we'll work better defense in.

[Edited by - minsheartsreezy on 01-11-2006 11:22 PM]
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1/11/2006  11:23 PM
Posted by Knight:

^Toronto had some blowouts though so they did take it to some of the easier teams...meanwhile look at how many points we have given up...and yes I know some of those were overtimes.

[Edited by - Knight on 01-11-2006 11:16 PM]

Think of it this way we are winning even though are defense is not good, then we should win even more when our defense is better.

I am not saying it's good thing this team's defense is bad, but they are winning, that's important.

To win a championship a team needs to be more like the Spurs or the Pistons, meaning defense wins championships, this team is far from that at this time, so it's one step at a time for the Knicks.
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1/12/2006  12:04 AM
you can't just look at our point total to determine defense. for one thing, we've been playing some high octane teams. Cleveland is 6th in scoring, Washington 5th, Seattle 4th, Phoenix 1st, Dallas 12th. The pace of the game has been high with both teams getting lots of possessions and not too many turnovers. we've been playing extremely efficient offense and good situational defense. No, we don't look like the 04 Pistons, but we're doing a good job in big spots. There can be improvement. But Curry actually looks far more active, and Frye has been great on help defense (but still not so good on defensive rebounding).


edit: the real sign of when this team is VERY good will be when we can force the pace moreand work our advantage in the post with Curry, Frye and Mo. We went away from the interior in the second half and Dallas caught. But I think our youth wants to get out and run, Lee, Nate, Craw, Curry, Frye, even Marbury, and it leads to a quicker pace overall.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-12-2006 12:07 AM]
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1/12/2006  12:37 AM
oh man i was at the game tonight it was craazy. i was worried when they came back in the 4th but A LOT of clutch free throws from our guys. somehow i ended up in a section with all germans with little german flags waved about. i got a bunch of ugly looks for screaming my head off for my beloved knicks. great back to back wins these last two nights against two very good teams. im really feeling good about this team right now, i mean cmon even AD had a good game tonight!
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1/12/2006  6:10 PM
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