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PhilinLA
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11/22/2005  7:55 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

judging from the post it seems everyone is so sure his career is ending early eventhough he has no history of knee problems. Seems like another case of overvaluing our own players more than than anything else
It's not a case of overvaluing our own players, it's an actuarial fact that athletes decline and become more injury prone in their 30's. KG comes with risk and should only cost us expiring contracts and a take back. If they want more they can try getting it from someone else.

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11/22/2005  7:56 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by gunsnewing:
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KG barely played at 18-19. Ewing was busy going to the finals twice in college logging major minutes. Its a wash. If KG had a history of knee problems I'd be worried but he doesn't so I don't see how people think he'll drop dead in 2yrs
Who said he was gonna "drop dead"? Do you have to exaggerate the points of others to validate your own?

KG was exempt from camp and NBA practices at 18 and 19?


camp and practice? are u serious!

I'm serious. Can you refute the fact that an 82 game schedule that includes lots of practice with older stronger men is a not exactly the same as sitting for two years?


so what your saying is college basketball is like Ballad, girls can participate right? Ewing played what 160 or so games in college in the regular season alone nevermind all the tournament games against the likes of Hakeem Olajuwon. Like I said its a wash
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11/22/2005  7:58 PM
Personally I have no idea what the state of KG's knees are. He's a great player.

I also don't know how good Frye will be. I don't buy the argument that his potential is somehow capped at a mediocre level.

I see chemsitry and comradeship with these rookies and Ariza - maybe something special developing. I'd hate to throw that away on the usual Knicks "win now" philosophy. I also am not convinced that having Garnett somehow guarantees the Knicks will win a championship anytime soon.

Maybe we undrevalue our own players.

[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 11-22-2005 7:59 PM]
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11/22/2005  7:58 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by gunsnewing:

judging from the post it seems everyone is so sure his career is ending early eventhough he has no history of knee problems. Seems like another case of overvaluing our own players more than than anything else
It's not a case of overvaluing our own players, it's an actuarial fact that athletes decline and become more injury prone in their 30's. KG comes with risk and should only cost us expiring contracts and a take back. If they want more they can try getting it from someone else.


what do you mean by in their 30s because 31 is a lot different than 39
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11/22/2005  8:00 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Personally I have no idea what the state of KG's knees are. He's a great player.

I also don't know how good Frye will be. I don't buy the argument that his potential is somehow capped at a mediocre level.

I see chemsitry and comradeship with these rookies and Ariza - maybe something special developing. I'd hate to throw that away on the usual Knicks "win now" philosophy. I also am not convinced that having Garnett somehow guarantees the Knicks will win a championship anytime soon.


I have no problem with that. I can totally respect it eventhough I feel KG gives us a better chance of winning a title
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11/22/2005  8:00 PM
Would any of you refuse Shaq for Frye?

How about AI?

Camby?

Ray Allen?

Like I said, you guys are overvaluing just a piece of the puzzle. KG is alot more than just a piece. He could very well be the key that opens the door for us...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-22-2005 8:00 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/22/2005  8:03 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Would any of you refuse Shaq for Frye?

How about AI?

Camby?

Ray Allen?

Like I said, you guys are overvaluing just a piece of the puzzle. KG is alot more than just a piece. He could very well be the key that opens the door for us...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-22-2005 8:00 PM]


I'd take Frye over any of those guys just not over KG. The better question is would anyone refuse Duncan for Frye since KG is pretty close to being up there with Duncan. But Duncan is almost 30 and since statistics show players over 30 are more injury prone we should never trade Frye for Tim Duncan!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 11-22-2005 8:03 PM]
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11/22/2005  8:05 PM
Okay, I'd probably trade Frye for Tim Duncan.
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11/22/2005  8:06 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

judging from the post it seems everyone is so sure his career is ending early eventhough he has no history of knee problems. Seems like another case of overvaluing our own players more than than anything else
Nah, it's just the people agreeing with you (like me) got bored of the same debate about about 150 replies ago!
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11/22/2005  8:06 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Okay, I'd probably trade Frye for Tim Duncan.


Right is Duncan that much better than KG? I'm telling you go ask any other team if they'd like to have KG!
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11/22/2005  8:18 PM
Ya this is borderline disgusting.

Oh, Ok....fine, I'd trade Frye for Duncan.....but after that, NO ONE ELSE au kay.....

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/22/2005  8:49 PM
Actually the point is this...

01-02 39 mpg 21 points, 12 rebs, 5 assists, 1.56 blks, 1.19 steals, 47% FG

02-03 40.5 mpg 23 , 13.4 , 6 , 1.57 , 1.38 , 50.2%

03-04 39.4 24.2 , 13.9 , 5 , 2.17 , 1.46, 40.9%

04-05 38.1 22.2 , 13.5 , 5.7 , 1.37 , 1.48, 50.2%

05-06 40 21.4 , 10.2 , 4.6 , 1.22 , 1.56, 57.4%

His numbers are starting to decline as it is and he was hurt various times last year even though he played through it.

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11/22/2005  8:54 PM
Man I'd love to have a player whose #s "declined" to 21/10/4.6/1.2/1.6 and 57%
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11/22/2005  8:59 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by gunsnewing:

judging from the post it seems everyone is so sure his career is ending early eventhough he has no history of knee problems. Seems like another case of overvaluing our own players more than than anything else
It's not a case of overvaluing our own players, it's an actuarial fact that athletes decline and become more injury prone in their 30's. KG comes with risk and should only cost us expiring contracts and a take back. If they want more they can try getting it from someone else.


KG has no health issues right now, end of story.
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11/22/2005  9:01 PM
Declined to that over the 9 games he has played this season. Its not even a full season. He was on par with everything last season except of the 2 points and that may have to do with the problems they were having with Spree and Cassell's contracts.
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11/22/2005  9:03 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Would any of you refuse Shaq for Frye?

How about AI?

Camby?

Ray Allen?

Like I said, you guys are overvaluing just a piece of the puzzle. KG is alot more than just a piece. He could very well be the key that opens the door for us...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-22-2005 8:00 PM]


now shaq is def a health concern. i wouldnt do it. AI, nope, he shoots way too much and gets hurt easily. Camby, is a health concern too, and i just dont see ray allen averaging 20+ into his mid to late 30s. if the team was missing that 1 piece to win it all, i would do it, but we're not, so it wouldnt make sense.
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11/22/2005  9:39 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Man I'd love to have a player whose #s "declined" to 21/10/4.6/1.2/1.6 and 57%


Bonn, I agree to the point that he would be a great player to have, I won't trade our future for a guy whose numbers are declining period.



Declined to that over the 9 games he has played this season. Its not even a full season. He was on par with everything last season except of the 2 points and that may have to do with the problems they were having with Spree and Cassell's contracts.

I agree that his the 9 games this season is a small sample size, but he was hurt at times last year. Like I said before I don't want to trade our youth for what KG did, but what he can do. Now if we are talking about trading expiring contracts and a youngin from where we are strong (maybe something like Ariza, Lee, or maybe even Q) then I would do it...Frye and Curry are untouchable as far as I am concerned. We are still trading for a guy who has few great seasons ahead of him.
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11/22/2005  9:54 PM
he was hurt at times last year.
But what big man plays hard for 82 games and isn't hurt at times? The key issue to me is that it's not affecting him on the court. He's 29. If he were 34, it would be a different story
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11/22/2005  11:15 PM
KG
Wally
Troy Hudson

for
AD
Penny
Nate
Jackie butler
David Lee
Ariza


They can waive Penny and Ad immediately, and have cleared 30 million in expirings and have the equivalent of 4 picks. That should do it. Thats more than enough, we gave them a whole ****ing team and took over 30 million off of their books.

AND we are so deep we stil have a full solid team.

Steph/Craw
Q/Wally
KG
Frye/Mo T
Curry/ James

Thats a championship squad right there. the next 2 years we would be in it to win it.
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11/23/2005  12:06 AM
Posted by joec32033:

Actually the point is this...

01-02 39 mpg 21 points, 12 rebs, 5 assists, 1.56 blks, 1.19 steals, 47% FG

02-03 40.5 mpg 23 , 13.4 , 6 , 1.57 , 1.38 , 50.2%

03-04 39.4 24.2 , 13.9 , 5 , 2.17 , 1.46, 40.9%

04-05 38.1 22.2 , 13.5 , 5.7 , 1.37 , 1.48, 50.2%

05-06 40 21.4 , 10.2 , 4.6 , 1.22 , 1.56, 57.4%

His numbers are starting to decline as it is and he was hurt various times last year even though he played through it.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kevin_garnett/?nav=page

Garnett had much better teammates on his roster (Cassell, Sprewell, Wally) when his numbers "Declined" so there were less shot attempts to go around. The rebounding numbers too me is what would show the biggest "decline" because that would show an inability to move around and his numbers stayed right on par except for this year where he is an obvious unhappy camper.
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