gunsnewing wrote:lol that video never gets old

Neither does the one of him reacting to the Zach Randolph trade- a classic! Or THAT interview (you all remember which one I mean!). Good times!

Its a shame, Marbury wasnt a villain or anything, I think the toxic environment of the Knicks just brought out the worst in everyone- like Vic Mackey in the Shield...

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:lol that video never gets old

Neither does the one of him reacting to the Zach Randolph trade- a classic! Or THAT interview (you all remember which one I mean!). Good times!

Its a shame, Marbury wasnt a villain or anything, I think the toxic environment of the Knicks just brought out the worst in everyone- like Vic Mackey in the Shield...

Marbury was toxic in everywhere. Ego could not handle sharing with KG, in Jersey he was "All alone", in PHX they could not wait to get rid of him. Here he was given teh keys to everything and he abused it. He was a coach killer and ebodiment of the self absorbed player. Not to say he had talent, but when that started to disipate, he was a huge cap killer liability!!! He helped create the very toxic environment you speak of.

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:lol that video never gets old

Neither does the one of him reacting to the Zach Randolph trade- a classic! Or THAT interview (you all remember which one I mean!). Good times!

Its a shame, Marbury wasnt a villain or anything, I think the toxic environment of the Knicks just brought out the worst in everyone- like Vic Mackey in the Shield...

Marbury was toxic in everywhere. Ego could not handle sharing with KG, in Jersey he was "All alone", in PHX they could not wait to get rid of him. Here he was given teh keys to everything and he abused it. He was a coach killer and ebodiment of the self absorbed player. Not to say he had talent, but when that started to disipate, he was a huge cap killer liability!!! He helped create the very toxic environment you speak of.

Steph needed a no-nonsense coach instead of a dumbass enabler like Isiah. Isiah bred a mentality in Indiana that made the brawl in Detroit possible. A thuggish, angry, us against the world, get back at you no matter what bunker mentality. He took Steph under his wing, tried to father figure him and only further infested an already flawed player with an even greater arrogance than previously displayed.

By the time Isiah tried to reign him in, not only was it too late, but Isiah's own embarrassing tenure made it unlikely than anyone would respect him enough to pay him any mind, Steph least of all which led to the near brawl on the team plane.

Panos wrote:How did the Mo Taylor trade become a Marbury thread?
Can Melo be far behind?

You just had to say that, didn't you?

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I hope i don look as foolish 7yrs from now for defending the Bargnani trade as I did the Taylor trade boy lol

The Bargnani trade isn't as bad as Mo because its such a low risk and his contract ending along with Amare make is even easier to swallow. If he doesn't work out, then he will be another expiring contract that we could possibly be valuable

And Bargs will never eat vaselin...

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I hope i don look as foolish 7yrs from now for defending the Bargnani trade as I did the Taylor trade boy lol

The Bargnani trade isn't as bad as Mo because its such a low risk and his contract ending along with Amare make is even easier to swallow. If he doesn't work out, then he will be another expiring contract that we could possibly be valuable

Same as most bad trades - we're always being told how low risk it was or how bad the players and assets we gave up were.

nah, most of those Isiah trades were real head scratchers that made little sense at the time. Old Penny? Steve Frances? Tim Thomas for Van Horn? VanHorn for Spree? The last one can't be blamed on IT though

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I hope i don look as foolish 7yrs from now for defending the Bargnani trade as I did the Taylor trade boy lol

The Bargnani trade isn't as bad as Mo because its such a low risk and his contract ending along with Amare make is even easier to swallow. If he doesn't work out, then he will be another expiring contract that we could possibly be valuable

Same as most bad trades - we're always being told how low risk it was or how bad the players and assets we gave up were.

nah, most of those Isiah trades were real head scratchers that made little sense at the time. Old Penny? Steve Frances? Tim Thomas for Van Horn? VanHorn for Spree? The last one can't be blamed on IT though

Sure, in retrospect. At the actual time, they were at least as popular as the Bargnani trade.

Penny Hard Away, one knee short of the best PG of his decade!

VanHorn, the Great White Hope!

We got Steve Francis! Marbs + Francis = Clyde + Pearl

Tim Thomas! 6'10" and has a handle like KG! YAY!!!
Too bad the comparison stopped there.

And our beloved Mo T! The beautiful $10M expiring contract that was going to yield great dividends. Too bad they never used that awesome potential. Instead they bought him out.

And lets not forget Jerome James! You can't teach height! You can't teach girth either! Did you see that playoff series he just came off of?!

DurzoBlint wrote:

Panos wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I hope i don look as foolish 7yrs from now for defending the Bargnani trade as I did the Taylor trade boy lol

The Bargnani trade isn't as bad as Mo because its such a low risk and his contract ending along with Amare make is even easier to swallow. If he doesn't work out, then he will be another expiring contract that we could possibly be valuable

Same as most bad trades - we're always being told how low risk it was or how bad the players and assets we gave up were.

nah, most of those Isiah trades were real head scratchers that made little sense at the time. Old Penny? Steve Frances? Tim Thomas for Van Horn? VanHorn for Spree? The last one can't be blamed on IT though

Sure, in retrospect. At the actual time, they were at least as popular as the Bargnani trade.

Penny Hard Away, one knee short of the best PG of his decade!

VanHorn, the Great White Hope!

We got Steve Francis! Marbs + Francis = Clyde + Pearl

Tim Thomas! 6'10" and has a handle like KG! YAY!!!
Too bad the comparison stopped there.

And our beloved Mo T! The beautiful $10M expiring contract that was going to yield great dividends. Too bad they never used that awesome potential. Instead they bought him out.

And lets not forget Jerome James! You can't teach height! You can't teach girth either! Did you see that playoff series he just came off of?!

exactly. Most of us were like WTF when those moves went down. Vanhorn was playing some of the best basketball of his career putting up comparable numbers to Spree in points and exceeded him in rebounding by a good number. There was no reason to move him for Thomas. Everyone knew Penny was done and he proved it. Jerome James...you don't give anyone a big contract based off one good playoff series. So I have to disagree with Bonn when he says they were as popular as the trade for Bargs. The board is split on Bargs but, almost everyone viewed those other moves as poor to outright terrible.

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Panos wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I hope i don look as foolish 7yrs from now for defending the Bargnani trade as I did the Taylor trade boy lol

The Bargnani trade isn't as bad as Mo because its such a low risk and his contract ending along with Amare make is even easier to swallow. If he doesn't work out, then he will be another expiring contract that we could possibly be valuable

Same as most bad trades - we're always being told how low risk it was or how bad the players and assets we gave up were.

nah, most of those Isiah trades were real head scratchers that made little sense at the time. Old Penny? Steve Frances? Tim Thomas for Van Horn? VanHorn for Spree? The last one can't be blamed on IT though

Sure, in retrospect. At the actual time, they were at least as popular as the Bargnani trade.

Penny Hard Away, one knee short of the best PG of his decade!

VanHorn, the Great White Hope!

We got Steve Francis! Marbs + Francis = Clyde + Pearl

Tim Thomas! 6'10" and has a handle like KG! YAY!!!
Too bad the comparison stopped there.

And our beloved Mo T! The beautiful $10M expiring contract that was going to yield great dividends. Too bad they never used that awesome potential. Instead they bought him out.

And lets not forget Jerome James! You can't teach height! You can't teach girth either! Did you see that playoff series he just came off of?!

exactly. Most of us were like WTF when those moves went down. Vanhorn was playing some of the best basketball of his career putting up comparable numbers to Spree in points and exceeded him in rebounding by a good number. There was no reason to move him for Thomas. Everyone knew Penny was done and he proved it. Jerome James...you don't give anyone a big contract based off one good playoff series. So I have to disagree with Bonn when he says they were as popular as the trade for Bargs. The board is split on Bargs but, almost everyone viewed those other moves as poor to outright terrible.

You're flattering yourself and this board. It wasn't 'til the latter part (maybe the final 2 yrs) of the Isiah era that he lost a lot of support.

that doesn't mean he wasn't making head scratching moves at the time is all. As far as when the hate began, I admitted to being taken in by the charm and charisma, tried to give him some latitude. Don't remember how long it took for me to be done...2years sounds about right.