technomaster wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Now sign Huk & McCullar to early bird rights contracts for 3 years $7mil each.

Gamble on them now as they can be rotational 2nd unit pieces for the low in 2 years if not next season.

Huk I can see developing into Mitch’s role in the rotation. He’s a 7 footer.

I think Huk could eventually take over the role of backup center, but Mitch was a special talent from the start. Challenging shots from anywhere on the floor, catching and throwing down alley oops.

Mitch had something like an insane 42” vertical when he came into the league. Huk is not Mitch but he’s not awful

PatCummings wrote:

technomaster wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Now sign Huk & McCullar to early bird rights contracts for 3 years $7mil each.

Gamble on them now as they can be rotational 2nd unit pieces for the low in 2 years if not next season.

Huk I can see developing into Mitch’s role in the rotation. He’s a 7 footer.

I think Huk could eventually take over the role of backup center, but Mitch was a special talent from the start. Challenging shots from anywhere on the floor, catching and throwing down alley oops.

Mitch had something like an insane 42” vertical when he came into the league. Huk is not Mitch but he’s not awful

I don’t recall that. Maybe you’re thinking of Jericho sims

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Chandler wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

technomaster wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Now sign Huk & McCullar to early bird rights contracts for 3 years $7mil each.

Gamble on them now as they can be rotational 2nd unit pieces for the low in 2 years if not next season.

Huk I can see developing into Mitch’s role in the rotation. He’s a 7 footer.

I think Huk could eventually take over the role of backup center, but Mitch was a special talent from the start. Challenging shots from anywhere on the floor, catching and throwing down alley oops.

Mitch had something like an insane 42” vertical when he came into the league. Huk is not Mitch but he’s not awful

I don’t recall that. Maybe you’re thinking of Jericho sims

You’re right. I was thinking of Sims’ combine. Mitch wasn’t tested but probably had a really good vertical

I believe that Mitch was tagged with the ability to jump multiple times extremely quickly. This is likely one of the reasons for his offensive rebounding prowess.

foosballnick wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

Chandler wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

technomaster wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Now sign Huk & McCullar to early bird rights contracts for 3 years $7mil each.

Gamble on them now as they can be rotational 2nd unit pieces for the low in 2 years if not next season.

Huk I can see developing into Mitch’s role in the rotation. He’s a 7 footer.

I think Huk could eventually take over the role of backup center, but Mitch was a special talent from the start. Challenging shots from anywhere on the floor, catching and throwing down alley oops.

Mitch had something like an insane 42” vertical when he came into the league. Huk is not Mitch but he’s not awful

I don’t recall that. Maybe you’re thinking of Jericho sims

You’re right. I was thinking of Sims’ combine. Mitch wasn’t tested but probably had a really good vertical

I believe that Mitch was tagged with the ability to jump multiple times extremely quickly. This is likely one of the reasons for his offensive rebounding prowess.

The quick twitch

foosballnick wrote:Long from Jeremy Cohen but worth the info regarding Knicks and the 2nd Apron, Repeater Tax and Cap .....

He is generally against going into the second apron simply because you can bring back everyone but Mitch. Once you go into the second apron, the 2-year clock starts, so there has to be an easy escape plan. Bringing back Mitch and Shamet on 2-year contracts makes sense, but then you have to think about extensions of the starters down the line. Brunson would have to continue to take a major discount to keep the starters together. Is it worth starting the clock now by resigning Mitch? Jeremy seems to think he didn’t play well enough in the playoffs to justify it. I don’t want to lose Mitch, but I do agree. We still win the title this season without him. But regardless once you go over for 2 years, you have to go back below for 3 years. So what’s more important ? Maximizing this group for the next 2 years, or keeping the core together for as long as possible ? That’s the dilemma.

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I don’t blame them for wanting to stay below the second apron longer. Have to think about it long term and what’s sustainable. Although I’ll say moving deuce makes less sense because he’s so cheap you aren’t replacing his salary slot with a better player.

If the Knicks move Dadiet, they have a ton of wiggle room below the second apron. They can resign shamet for 6-7M per year starting. More than fair. They can fill out the remainder of the roster easily while staying below the second apron. They will have their starters plus a bench of Shamet, Alvarado, Deuce, Diawara, Kolek, plus they have enough to draft a player at 24, 31 and sign 2 minimum guys. So they can bring back Clarkson and either Sochan or Hukporti if they want. They could also make a move such as pick 24 for either Yves Missi or Ryan Kulkbrenner if they wanted to lock in a quality backup center replacement on a low contract. Again all of this while staying below the second apron.

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I don’t blame them for wanting to stay below the second apron longer. Have to think about it long term and what’s sustainable. Although I’ll say moving deuce makes less sense because he’s so cheap you aren’t replacing his salary slot with a better player.

If the Knicks move Dadiet, they have a ton of wiggle room below the second apron. They can resign shamet for 6-7M per year starting. More than fair. They can fill out the remainder of the roster easily while staying below the second apron. They will have their starters plus a bench of Shamet, Alvarado, Deuce, Diawara, Kolek, plus they have enough to draft a player at 24, 31 and sign 2 minimum guys. So they can bring back Clarkson and either Sochan or Hukporti if they want. They could also make a move such as pick 24 for either Yves Missi or Ryan Kulkbrenner if they wanted to lock in a quality backup center replacement on a low contract. Again all of this while staying below the second apron.

I wouldn't be shocked if they are posturing to bring back Jose and Landry and therefore Deuce is expendable. I mentioned last night I think bringing back the full trio of Jose, Landry, Deuce makes little to no sense.

Retaining Jose, Landry, Mo and drafting the UCONN big + a vet min C would be a solid outcome in my view.

See I think you bring them all back because you can. What’s really the point in not bringing back Deuce even if you resign Jose and Shamet? Guys will get injured and the depth is key. Keep all of the cheap talent possible, and Deuce is cheap talent. Mitch is awesome but he costs a lot of money for the biggest injury risk on the team who also can’t play more than 15 mpg in the playoffs due to the foul shooting. Mitch is really, really good, but these are the concerns. I’ll draft multiple bigs and sign a big that wants to play for a contender at the minimum. There would be nothing wrong with drafting Reed at 24 and Ejiofor at 31 for example. Or vice versa. Or trade 24 for Missi and draft Ejiofor at 31. We have the cheap guard depth. Let’s use resources to target cheap big man depth.

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I don’t blame them for wanting to stay below the second apron longer. Have to think about it long term and what’s sustainable. Although I’ll say moving deuce makes less sense because he’s so cheap you aren’t replacing his salary slot with a better player.

If the Knicks move Dadiet, they have a ton of wiggle room below the second apron. They can resign shamet for 6-7M per year starting. More than fair. They can fill out the remainder of the roster easily while staying below the second apron. They will have their starters plus a bench of Shamet, Alvarado, Deuce, Diawara, Kolek, plus they have enough to draft a player at 24, 31 and sign 2 minimum guys. So they can bring back Clarkson and either Sochan or Hukporti if they want. They could also make a move such as pick 24 for either Yves Missi or Ryan Kulkbrenner if they wanted to lock in a quality backup center replacement on a low contract. Again all of this while staying below the second apron.

I wouldn't be shocked if they are posturing to bring back Jose and Landry and therefore Deuce is expendable. I mentioned last night I think bringing back the full trio of Jose, Landry, Deuce makes little to no sense.

Retaining Jose, Landry, Mo and drafting the UCONN big + a vet min C would be a solid outcome in my view.

I don’t understand the hesitation to go above the 2nd apron. Losing Mitch as a FA is a waste of an asset. Go over the apron for 1 year while drafting his replacement. Then trade him next year to get under the apron and get more assets. Same for Alvarado, Shamet, etc.. And obviously keeping everyone increases our odds of repeating next year.

They could keep him for this coming season, but odds are higher he won't crack the rotation and the Knicks would probably end up just cutting ties with him losing him for nothing. Have to weigh the odds of him playing well these next 2 years to help us win a chip before losing him for nothing. Or trading him at the deadline with higher value in that scenario. Vs trading him now to extend the clock on a another cost controlled prospect.