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Playoff GameThread #3: Knicks travel to Detroit, tipoff 7pm TNT, MSG
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VDesai
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4/25/2025  5:24 PM
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VDesai wrote:Depends on what you define to be soft, but the way Mikal likes to play is to avoid as much contact as possible. When he gets more physical defensively he lives up to his defensive reputation. He doesn't like to get into the paint or at the basket very much, as evidenced by his amazingly low FT rate. I thought last night he made Cade feel him way more defensively, and I appreciated that he got a rare and one late. IT was a good bounce back. Filled the stat sheet

Biggest quibble is he missed a wide open OG on a late in bounds and also misplayed that jump ball and the ball bounced to a wide open 3 pt shooter.

Also came alarmingly close to forcing Brunson into a backcourt.

Yes. I wonder why on these inbounds plays we don't just bring in Cam or another PG to make the pass when all we need is to get a pass in. We've actually nearly blown multiple games this year by messing up our inbounds plays. Kind of absurd.

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4/25/2025  5:40 PM
martin wrote:Regarding DDV and Mikal.

You would never put DDV on another teams best players to guard, he is just not that type of defender. Mikal plays about 1000 more minute a year than Donte, give or take. IDK but the mental toughness it takes to play every game every year is sky high IMHO.

Mikal is a much better all around shooter than Donte, and especially at the rim where we all know Donte has the yips for whatever reason.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/divindo01.html#all_shooting
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bridgmi01.html#all_shooting

Mikal is a goofy ass dude with all the handshakes and whatnot and I'm not a fan.

But toughness? I guess Mikal doesn't get in the face of opponents. He does other stuff. I wouldn't call him soft either. Definitely not outwardly angry enough.

Different players, different roles.

Can we agree that Mikal is not manhandling anybody on either side of the ball?

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4/25/2025  6:35 PM
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4/25/2025  8:17 PM
VDesai wrote:Schroeder shot 41 FG / 34 3P and now is shooting 56 FG / 62 3P in the playoffs. WHAT?

Yeah suddenly he turned in mini Kawhi

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4/25/2025  8:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/25/2025  8:26 PM
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martin wrote:
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martin wrote:Old school, to get the blood flowing

When perfection happened

2 thumbs up and a few inches too. I fell asleep during the game and missed it. Old man energy !Had I only had seen this picture pre game.

Damn man how could you fall asleep during this game! It was fire

I have Parkinson's and sometimes I am just tired. Yet, for next game, can you connect me with your coke dealer ? A few lines of Colombian powder might be what I need

Damn bro should have mentioned earlier. Hookers and coke incoming!! We share because we care! That’s my motto

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4/25/2025  8:25 PM
Panos wrote:
martin wrote:Regarding DDV and Mikal.

You would never put DDV on another teams best players to guard, he is just not that type of defender. Mikal plays about 1000 more minute a year than Donte, give or take. IDK but the mental toughness it takes to play every game every year is sky high IMHO.

Mikal is a much better all around shooter than Donte, and especially at the rim where we all know Donte has the yips for whatever reason.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/divindo01.html#all_shooting
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bridgmi01.html#all_shooting

Mikal is a goofy ass dude with all the handshakes and whatnot and I'm not a fan.

But toughness? I guess Mikal doesn't get in the face of opponents. He does other stuff. I wouldn't call him soft either. Definitely not outwardly angry enough.

Different players, different roles.

Can we agree that Mikal is not manhandling anybody on either side of the ball?

Yeah I don’t know what that means. We can agree that you have a blind spot for gingers.

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4/25/2025  9:02 PM
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
martin wrote:Old school, to get the blood flowing

When perfection happened

2 thumbs up and a few inches too. I fell asleep during the game and missed it. Old man energy !Had I only had seen this picture pre game.

Damn man how could you fall asleep during this game! It was fire

I have Parkinson's and sometimes I am just tired. Yet, for next game, can you connect me with your coke dealer ? A few lines of Colombian powder might be what I need

Damn bro should have mentioned earlier. Hookers and coke incoming!! We share because we care! That’s my motto

Hermano, mi casa es Tu casa. Hookers and blow sounds like a great after party.

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4/25/2025  10:19 PM
I feel like there was one technicality not discussed. At the end of the game when there was 1/2 second left and they had that timer error.
Let's say there was no error. Someone would have caught the ball and thrown it ahead with no chance of a shot, unless they shot it directly, 85 ft across the court. An infinitesimally small probability.
Instead, they gave the Pistons a chance to inbound the ball which could have been a halfcourt pass before the timer started then the half court shot, a much more doable shot. How was that a fair resolution for a scorers error?
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4/25/2025  11:40 PM
https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0042400123

Forgive me if this was already posted. Here’s the NBA’s last 2 minute report. Of all of the drama, the only mistake they noted was that Duren took steps in the .5 second inbound pass and that should have been a turnover. He threw it away anyway. (Since it was on the sideline, he needed to stay planted on the pass)

The timekeeper error is on that crew - they’re not the officials.

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4/26/2025  7:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/26/2025  7:35 AM
martin wrote:
VDesai wrote:Schroeder shot 41 FG / 34 3P and now is shooting 56 FG / 62 3P in the playoffs. WHAT?

Yeah suddenly he turned in mini Kawhi

Olympics Schroeder. Player you hate until he's on your team.

Don't have the same level of hate towards Detroit as Philly or Indy. Bickerstaff and Ausar have been bitches, but respect to the rest.

Maybe that changes.

Edit: forgot Paul Reed on the bitch list.

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4/26/2025  7:59 AM
technomaster wrote:https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0042400123

Forgive me if this was already posted. Here’s the NBA’s last 2 minute report. Of all of the drama, the only mistake they noted was that Duren took steps in the .5 second inbound pass and that should have been a turnover. He threw it away anyway. (Since it was on the sideline, he needed to stay planted on the pass)

The timekeeper error is on that crew - they’re not the officials.

Yeah this is a gap in the rule book. It doesn't take into account that the strategy behind an intentional miss pre-supposes a functional clock. Clock malfunction here clearly favors one team. It should be a re-take on the FT or maybe a jump ball, but it cant be an inbounds.

That said I understand the refs just enforced the rule book

How has the NBA not penalized the timekeeper?

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4/26/2025  8:02 AM
martin wrote:

Did they think we forgot that their boy Cade drove into the KAT and gave us the ball after that?

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4/26/2025  10:50 AM
VDesai wrote:
technomaster wrote:https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0042400123

Forgive me if this was already posted. Here’s the NBA’s last 2 minute report. Of all of the drama, the only mistake they noted was that Duren took steps in the .5 second inbound pass and that should have been a turnover. He threw it away anyway. (Since it was on the sideline, he needed to stay planted on the pass)

The timekeeper error is on that crew - they’re not the officials.

Yeah this is a gap in the rule book. It doesn't take into account that the strategy behind an intentional miss pre-supposes a functional clock. Clock malfunction here clearly favors one team. It should be a re-take on the FT or maybe a jump ball, but it cant be an inbounds.

That said I understand the refs just enforced the rule book

How has the NBA not penalized the timekeeper?

What do you suggest? I read they don't use home team personal anymore so its a neutral person not on home teams payroll. I suspect as these weird situations arise they have constant education to build their base.
Regarding intentional or not, a miss is a miss. I interpret that the ball should have been live and there was like three piston players on the ball. The buzzer went off as they grabbed it. I don't like it but I get where they awarded the ball to Detroit. I also get why it was taken on the side as it was not an out of bounds whistle.

Good catch that Duran moved his feet out of bounds. I get why they used Duran as the could not sub anyone in or out and he was not a shooter. Reggie was saying it was a mistake and should have had him surge to the rim. It also pulled Mitch to guard Duren. Maybe Knicks should have put Mitch back to deflect any long pass? In the end it all worked out.

That NON CALL on Jalen was proper as described. The ball was over the line but his body was not. I don't believe he even had a foot on the ground when he caught it? Again, that was to our benefit.

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4/26/2025  12:18 PM
If the clock malfunctions, the only neutral outcome is either a re-take or a jump ball
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4/26/2025  12:28 PM
I dont think they are even interpreting their own rule right. There is a logic break. You cannot determine imminent possession if the clock doesn't run. They should have at least ran tenths or something off to assume the rebound.
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4/26/2025  12:51 PM
What type of coach lets Duren inbound in that type situation? Kinda weird decision to me
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Playoff GameThread #3: Knicks travel to Detroit, tipoff 7pm TNT, MSG

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