Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.

Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?

No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.

You would be doing Fournier a solid for being a good soldier.

Money wise at this point Evan will be happy if the Knicks pick up his option. No one will give him 18 million next season.

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.

Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?

No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.

No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.

Knicks are only holding onto him for trades... once the deadline passes they will cut him so he can go play for the Lakers

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.

Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?

No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.

No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.

Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.

Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?

No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.

No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.

Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.

If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway

Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.

Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?

No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.

No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.

Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.

If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway

Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops

If nothing happens then Evan will be retained for a potential deal in 2024-25. At this point maybe Evan will hope he is extended cause he gets that money. Expect Evan to clap loudly on the bench

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.

Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?

No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.

No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.

Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.

If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway

Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops

If nothing happens then Evan will be retained for a potential deal in 2024-25. At this point maybe Evan.

I think this take is 100% wrong. Even with the cap going up 10% next year you want to stay under the second apron. Ideally what I'm hearing is it is designed to be above the luxury tax but under the first apron. You would have to do a forensic on our committed salary to make that determination. IN BROCK WE TRUST

Rookie wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.

Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?

No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.

No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.

Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.

If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway

Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops

If nothing happens then Evan will be retained for a potential deal in 2024-25. At this point maybe Evan.

I think this take is 100% wrong. Even with the cap going up 10% next year you want to stay under the second apron. Ideally what I'm hearing is it is designed to be above the luxury tax but under the first apron. You would have to do a forensic on our committed salary to make that determination. IN BROCK WE TRUST

If Evan isn't traded and you don't extend him you loose his salary needed to include in a trade. It just comes down to that. Team has been saying they want to be ready to execute trade if it presents itself but without contracts to match salaries it becomes impossible. That's why he will be traded and a functional player brought in his place

BigDaddyG wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.

Agreed. With a month before the deadline it gives us time to really evaluate this group, which I’m sure is their intention. I do think though at the very least the Knicks need to move Fournier for contracts which extend into next year so they have contracts outside of the core group to trade. Knicks aren’t trading Brunson, Hart, DDV this summer. OG and Hartenstein won’t be eligible. That leaves Randle and Mitch. Not that likely either. If the Knicks can move Fournier now for Gafford and Shamet they will get salary to move as early as this summer. Washington should bite for minimum draft comp. Adding Gafford as center insurance and shamet as some shooting depth helps. This type of deal or for Brogdon makes the most sense from a contract standpoint, not even talking about the basketball side.

If no DJM then I agree Evan and a 1st for Gafford & Shamet is a great trade for the reasons you mentioned and doesn't take away min from the backcourt.

Precious does not look like he will be playable come playoff time so having Gafford behind Hart would be huge.

You do that deal and you run a real risk of not bringing iHart back. You can't have three centers, with two being injury risks, at that salary. You could just bring back Precious and Flynn back at inflated salaries.

I’m not worried about the money. I would treat Gafford as essentially a backup PF and stick with the Mitch/ Ihart duo at center. But with the news of Mitch maybe coming back this year it probably eliminates the need for this type of move. Still, the point stands that the Knicks probably need to turn Fournier’s contract into a tradeable large contract for next year. Brogdon still seems like one of the best options for that.

Rookie wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks comfortably in the position to sit back and take their time with the next moves.

Exactly this. They have a TPE or can also add a waived player. Do you think they waive Fournier if he isn't traded? Wait until he isn't playoff eligible and then waive him?

No need to waive. They can decline his option at the end of the season.

No advantage to the team to decline his option. If we don't trade him and get back at least a useful player at his salary level, we then lose a contract for future trades. If we don't find a trade for hi to be used in the we have to extend him.

Yeah agree. I'm just saying if they probably wouldn't waive or buyout out Fournier when they just opt out. It also gives a little more time to use his contract in a deal. If no deal pops out, just void the deal. The clock is running to use that contract in a deal. With the iHart free agency and the OG extension upcoming, it's going to be tough to carry over $20Million in dead salary over to the next season.

If a trade comes up next season ans you don't have that Fornier contract size then you don't have salaries to match next season unless you trade him for similar contracts or extendpick up his option next year. I want him traded to bring in a useful player with a similar deal. Every trade mentioned is not perfect but think the front office wants to trade Evan for a useful player or not trade him and lose the salary for future trades or extend him if no trade is done ? A trade has to be done and someone brought in and maybe cost Deuce and Grimes time or Grimes will be traded in a deal with Fornier. If not welcome Evan back for at least a part of 2024. It mak s no sense to let him go. I wrote that poorly overall but that's the best your going to get, I am on the subway

Get what you're saying. But you can't force it. If a trade isn't there that fits, then you just hold off. Maybe nothing shakes loose during the season? Maybe a Devin Booker forces himself out at the end of the season? Maybe nothing worthwhile even develops

If nothing happens then Evan will be retained for a potential deal in 2024-25. At this point maybe Evan.

I think this take is 100% wrong. Even with the cap going up 10% next year you want to stay under the second apron. Ideally what I'm hearing is it is designed to be above the luxury tax but under the first apron. You would have to do a forensic on our committed salary to make that determination. IN BROCK WE TRUST

If Evan isn't traded and you don't extend him you loose his salary needed to include in a trade. It just comes down to that. Team has been saying they want to be ready to execute trade if it presents itself but without contracts to match salaries it becomes impossible. That's why he will be traded and a functional player brought in his place

There’s BOG and AOG. After OG (AOG) we don’t have the assets to trade for a star player. We are now in a post OG world after including RJ and IQ in that deal. Maybe you shoot your wad on a DJM if you think he is the missing piece but is he? I don’t see where Grimes will ever be included in that deal. It’s Fournier and picks. Hey, maybe they have a Mitch, Fournier and picks deal for Spider lined up for the summer if Cleveland fails to get out of the 1st rd again, but that’s some real conspiracy theory stuff and I’m not willing to make that leap.

Whose Bog and AOG ? 😂 Plus whoever we trade for NYCerican will hate it. If it's Bogs from Detroit, I'd take him as the reserve combo forward in case of injury or foul trouble. He can be traded next season in a deal, if no other deals surface and Deuce and Grimes keep up their play. Mitch coming back potentially for the playoffs for 15 minutes a game is huge if it's true. Bench for playoffs if a guard is not acquired, Mitch,Bogs,Hart,Grimes,Deuce,

BigDaddyG wrote:I know some of you out there miss RJ. Well here's a chance to grab a bizarro version who plays worse defense and shoots better from three. Same college. Two letter first names. Tunnel vision when they get in the paint.

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He's only 20 years old! And from Ossining!

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He would have been in our draft range so I'm sure we scouted him. I don't know why he dropped out of the lottery where he was projected to go. His rap is that he has lost the athleticism that he had in high school. He has a high floor. I'm interested to see if we could develop him on the same trajectory as IQ who came out of the same program. IQ was weak on fundamentals when he got here. Not exactly a 3 and D wing but I'm intrigued at the opportunity to add depth with upside on the cheap