djsunyc wrote:2016 voters "what's the worst that can happen?"

this debate told me that trump knows he is going to lose and will challenge the results. he will tell his racist army to voter intimidate and cause ruckus.

US is going to look like stock 3rd world footage from election night through christmas.

w/o a women there, there's no "he's putting her in her place" mysoginistic thoughts. what's left was a ranting raving racist lunatic screaming at an old white man.

this was engineered debate by trump.

i hope every single one of you that voted for him or abstained are self reflecting right now and not doubling down.

Zero regret I abstained. Made no difference in my State. Not with the alternative, and her body count

GustavBahler wrote:The worst part of that debate was knowing that tens of millions of people STILL support "dear leader."

He's taken them on a journey where he's helped bring out the worst aspects of themselves, to the point where they're happy to vote for a white supremacist. Wonder if they'll ever see themselves in the mirror and wonder how they got to this point.

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The worst part of that debate was knowing that tens of millions of people STILL support "dear leader."

He's taken them on a journey where he's helped bring out the worst aspects of themselves, to the point where they're happy to vote for a white supremacist. Wonder if they'll ever see themselves in the mirror and wonder how they got to this point.

He's developed a cult following where he's able to manipulate a portion of the US people by trying to bring back "the good old days." His true followers see him as doing no wrong and will choose him over their own family members. For all of his faults, give him credit, he really knows how to brainwash people.

Imo he isn’t brainwashing ppl he has been capitalizing on the way ppl already felt. Those ppl were already there just waiting for someone like Trump. It’s the ppl who made their decisions because they felt they could financially benefit. The ppl who racism wasn’t a deal breaker. Even if was a con man saying it. Spitting a few ideals that goes in line with theirs financially over ruled everything. See above post.

On a side note. There is no person of color that could conduct themselves the way we see last night and become POTUS. Nor should they want to but, the point still stands. There is 2 different standards.

BRIGGS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:2016 voters "what's the worst that can happen?"

this debate told me that trump knows he is going to lose and will challenge the results. he will tell his racist army to voter intimidate and cause ruckus.

US is going to look like stock 3rd world footage from election night through christmas.

w/o a women there, there's no "he's putting her in her place" mysoginistic thoughts. what's left was a ranting raving racist lunatic screaming at an old white man.

this was engineered debate by trump.

i hope every single one of you that voted for him or abstained are self reflecting right now and not doubling down.

I believed greatly and I still do in the re industrialization of the United States. I believe greatly and still do in stronger borders. I believe greatly that we should try to make friends with our enemies and I still do. I believed strongly that Hillary Clinton was a poor choice to be President and I still do. If you believe in your mind that voting for Trump meant your some kind of white supremacy’s racist — that’s right it’s in your one mind— completely false. Just your attitude alone that says I need to reflect on my vote makes me happy I voted the way I did— it’s elitist and undemocratic. I think for myself—and if I was wrong— it was my democratically free choice to be wrong— and I don’t need you or anyone else to tell me otherwise.
Like I mentioned I will vote for no one this time — si ply because I don’t care to do so. But believe me tgis gross viewpoint that I should wear a scarlet letter because of the way I voted is wrong. I’ve listened to obnoxious belligerence for 3-4 years. Democrats( of which I was one) never wanted to say well gosh this guy one— let’s try to meet in the middle and work together for the betterment of all. Nope instead they took a shallow spoiled elitist avenue that resembled a 3 year old who didn’t get his ice cream on time

Your reaction to DJ asking people to self reflect on your vote is quite telling.

BRIGGS wrote:5/30/2020:

Done with current president after his actions the last 48 hours. Will hope for another qualified independent candidate who hopefully has excellent business experience is against guns with a history of friendly demeanor. Need a plan to put 40 mm people back to work

I sincerely would want to hear/understand the reasoning from anybody who plans to vote for Trump in this coming election... I will acknowledge I'm not a Biden fan and have doubts about his long-term competency. He's not a great choice in my opinion. I laugh when I see the slogans and memes about "unenthusiastically voting for Biden" - that about sums it up for me. I'm curious how Trump supporters/voters view last night's debate, given the not denouncing white supremacists and overbearing behavior he displayed the entire debate. Again, I could understand why many people voted for Trump in 2016 - I can't wrap my head around the rational for voting for him again - even if you think he's done well with the economy... A few points below I would honestly like to hear the other views/perspective.

Denies Humans being significant contributor to Climate Change - more wildfires on West Coast every summer
(Would we have to wait for an entire state to burn to the ground before shifting our position on the importance of climate change?)

Covid-19 - caught admitting he knew about virus and potential for impact - responded slowly and still no masks offered or worn as model?
(Do we not think that any other person would state and implement a Covid plan based on safety/health first?)

Human Relations - responded divisively each time an incident occurred - purposeful BLM and Antifa vs White Supremacists/Far Right??
(Regardless of side supported - isn't a president supposed to try to create unity and not stoke flames on racial divide situations?)

Morals/Decency - goes after Biden's dead son knowing at any time Biden could easily blast Trump family for variety of non-ethical bxs
(Is this due to narcissism or knowing he's dead in the water so snoops to feeble attempts with Biden?)

Unable to Tell Truth - how can this not matter to people voting for him. If he lies to everyone - how could people believe his promises?
(While all politicians misrepresent/lie at times - do supporters really believe him or just don't care about the value of truth?)

Consequences from climate change, Covid deaths, racial divide... vs Biden not moderate enough and may not last 4 yrs as competent leader

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:2016 voters "what's the worst that can happen?"

this debate told me that trump knows he is going to lose and will challenge the results. he will tell his racist army to voter intimidate and cause ruckus.

US is going to look like stock 3rd world footage from election night through christmas.

w/o a women there, there's no "he's putting her in her place" mysoginistic thoughts. what's left was a ranting raving racist lunatic screaming at an old white man.

this was engineered debate by trump.

i hope every single one of you that voted for him or abstained are self reflecting right now and not doubling down.

I believed greatly and I still do in the re industrialization of the United States. I believe greatly and still do in stronger borders. I believe greatly that we should try to make friends with our enemies and I still do. I believed strongly that Hillary Clinton was a poor choice to be President and I still do. If you believe in your mind that voting for Trump meant your some kind of white supremacy’s racist — that’s right it’s in your one mind— completely false. Just your attitude alone that says I need to reflect on my vote makes me happy I voted the way I did— it’s elitist and undemocratic. I think for myself—and if I was wrong— it was my democratically free choice to be wrong— and I don’t need you or anyone else to tell me otherwise.
Like I mentioned I will vote for no one this time — si ply because I don’t care to do so. But believe me tgis gross viewpoint that I should wear a scarlet letter because of the way I voted is wrong. I’ve listened to obnoxious belligerence for 3-4 years. Democrats( of which I was one) never wanted to say well gosh this guy one— let’s try to meet in the middle and work together for the betterment of all. Nope instead they took a shallow spoiled elitist avenue that resembled a 3 year old who didn’t get his ice cream on time

Your reaction to DJ asking people to self reflect on your vote is quite telling.

BRIGGS wrote:5/30/2020:

Done with current president after his actions the last 48 hours. Will hope for another qualified independent candidate who hopefully has excellent business experience is against guns with a history of friendly demeanor. Need a plan to put 40 mm people back to work

Absolutely not/- I have zero regrets for my free democratic vote. And I’m not voting for anyone. There are many aspects of what Trump did I thought was great. I felt the pandemic response was poor enough to lose my second vote. Sound reasonable?

How much trouble have we had with North Korea? Much trouble with Russia? And the best we’ve ever done with China until the pandemic. Peace resolutions in Middle East putting Iran in its place. Record stock markets through tax regulation cuts. Put it this way— the pandemic killed a good presidency. I just can’t look past human lives lost.

Sounds like your evaluations of draft prospects: you latch on to the one thing you like about them and ignore everything else regardless of the information that is clearly presented to you

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:2016 voters "what's the worst that can happen?"

this debate told me that trump knows he is going to lose and will challenge the results. he will tell his racist army to voter intimidate and cause ruckus.

US is going to look like stock 3rd world footage from election night through christmas.

w/o a women there, there's no "he's putting her in her place" mysoginistic thoughts. what's left was a ranting raving racist lunatic screaming at an old white man.

this was engineered debate by trump.

i hope every single one of you that voted for him or abstained are self reflecting right now and not doubling down.

I believed greatly and I still do in the re industrialization of the United States. I believe greatly and still do in stronger borders. I believe greatly that we should try to make friends with our enemies and I still do. I believed strongly that Hillary Clinton was a poor choice to be President and I still do. If you believe in your mind that voting for Trump meant your some kind of white supremacy’s racist — that’s right it’s in your one mind— completely false. Just your attitude alone that says I need to reflect on my vote makes me happy I voted the way I did— it’s elitist and undemocratic. I think for myself—and if I was wrong— it was my democratically free choice to be wrong— and I don’t need you or anyone else to tell me otherwise.
Like I mentioned I will vote for no one this time — si ply because I don’t care to do so. But believe me tgis gross viewpoint that I should wear a scarlet letter because of the way I voted is wrong. I’ve listened to obnoxious belligerence for 3-4 years. Democrats( of which I was one) never wanted to say well gosh this guy one— let’s try to meet in the middle and work together for the betterment of all. Nope instead they took a shallow spoiled elitist avenue that resembled a 3 year old who didn’t get his ice cream on time

Your reaction to DJ asking people to self reflect on your vote is quite telling.

BRIGGS wrote:5/30/2020:

Done with current president after his actions the last 48 hours. Will hope for another qualified independent candidate who hopefully has excellent business experience is against guns with a history of friendly demeanor. Need a plan to put 40 mm people back to work

Absolutely not/- I have zero regrets for my free democratic vote. And I’m not voting for anyone. There are many aspects of what Trump did I thought was great. I felt the pandemic response was poor enough to lose my second vote. Sound reasonable?

How much trouble have we had with North Korea? Much trouble with Russia? And the best we’ve ever done with China until the pandemic. Peace resolutions in Middle East putting Iran in its place. Record stock markets through tax regulation cuts. Put it this way— the pandemic killed a good presidency. I just can’t look past human lives lost.

Our not participating in democracy when you don’t vote. The “Me” baby boomer generation does not vote because they only think of themselves? Not your children? My children? Your nieces, Nephews, your neighbors?
Self centered.
Some countries you can’t send your kids to school or own property if you don’t vote! What you do with it is your business but to waste is is a slap in the face to all that have served in the military and fought to preserves the freedoms we enjoy. But with it comes a responsibility.
Trump goes back in you say “Don’t blame me, I did not vote?”
Biden in and things go bad “don’t blame me, I did not vote”?
That’s some pretty lame shyt right there. Stand up and take a stand. Briggs, you he said you lost family to Holocaust. Your vote wasted is a vote for trump who won’t denounce white supremacy.
At the very least pick the lessor of two evils!

I think a no vote speaks volumes

I’d rather be able to vote for a nice female but I’m never given the chance

BRIGGS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:2016 voters "what's the worst that can happen?"

this debate told me that trump knows he is going to lose and will challenge the results. he will tell his racist army to voter intimidate and cause ruckus.

US is going to look like stock 3rd world footage from election night through christmas.

w/o a women there, there's no "he's putting her in her place" mysoginistic thoughts. what's left was a ranting raving racist lunatic screaming at an old white man.

this was engineered debate by trump.

i hope every single one of you that voted for him or abstained are self reflecting right now and not doubling down.

I believed greatly and I still do in the re industrialization of the United States. I believe greatly and still do in stronger borders. I believe greatly that we should try to make friends with our enemies and I still do. I believed strongly that Hillary Clinton was a poor choice to be President and I still do. If you believe in your mind that voting for Trump meant your some kind of white supremacy’s racist — that’s right it’s in your one mind— completely false. Just your attitude alone that says I need to reflect on my vote makes me happy I voted the way I did— it’s elitist and undemocratic. I think for myself—and if I was wrong— it was my democratically free choice to be wrong— and I don’t need you or anyone else to tell me otherwise.
Like I mentioned I will vote for no one this time — si ply because I don’t care to do so. But believe me tgis gross viewpoint that I should wear a scarlet letter because of the way I voted is wrong. I’ve listened to obnoxious belligerence for 3-4 years. Democrats( of which I was one) never wanted to say well gosh this guy one— let’s try to meet in the middle and work together for the betterment of all. Nope instead they took a shallow spoiled elitist avenue that resembled a 3 year old who didn’t get his ice cream on time

elections have consequences.

the warning signs were all there prior to 2016 but you chose to ignore them b/c you voted to what's important to you (this is directed to all people that voted for him, not your specifically). based on how humans think and behave, i can understand at a psychological level why someone would vote for trump. but again, when you really dissect it all - he was what everybody thought he was - a lying conman that makes for good tv. so it's ok to actually to self reflect and ask yourself if you made the right choice 4 years ago.

the sad part is that trump destroyed democracy to the point that you don't want to vote now. watching that debate last night was about trump doing exactly that - making things look so chaotic and bad that is DISCOURAGES you from voting. if it was a regular debate with 2 adults instead of 1, then things look a bit more normal and you can actually vote on the issues. he is running his hustle again and it sounds like it has worked with you. your choice to not vote is another clear statement.

i don't give a sh t about scarlet letters. i care about making the country a better place but it is not going to happen. we are too far deep into this sh t. masks became a lighting rod - f cking masks!! - this people in this country deserve what they get. and trump was the perfect representative of that.

my macro view is simple - all politicians are crooks and the system is f cked. in a purely unfettered capitalistic society, everyone is out of themselves - especially the rich white folks that run the whole country. easy to turn anybody off on all of it. so what do you do? by not voting, sh t gets worse. less people vote, then more chances things stay the same.

i make the choice to vote so then i have to think who is going to do what's best for the people of this country. you see rich people will continue to stay rich b/c that's how america functions. people talk stock market and all that sh t but it's a rigged game. it doesn't matter who is president, market will keep rich people rich b/c those with money know how to keep it and grow it.

so who is going to at least do SOMETHING for the greater good of the people. people can go nuts on obama all they want but in the 8 years he was president, he was able to achieve universal health care. forget the details but the concept of giving everyone healthcare is something that benefits the whole country.

in the 4 years trump has been in office (with 2 of them holding both senate and house), what was the big takeway? stock market and cutting taxes for rich and corps. where is this home industrial boom? there was never any intention b/c his buddies make too much money keeping things the way they are. but great campaign strategy tho b/c it worked.

so who do i vote for? i vote for the side that at least has some intention of helping folks despite all the negative capitalistic aspects of it. i am not naive about things and if i choose not to vote? then the side that hasn't shown any real inkling of doing anything to help the people will continue to hold power and things will get worse and worse.

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