Vmart wrote:This games out come would have been different had Fizdale not started a stupid lineup to begin with. Barrett is not a PG. Trier is a sixth man at best. When Payton picked up his 5th foul he went back to Barrett at PG. I was like what the hell you doing put Frank back in. Fizdale has an opportunity to build Frank up instead he took it as an opportunity to demote him. With this one stupid move he took the air out of the entire team.
I’ll be the first to admit that Frank didn’t play well, but why is it that everyone else can make mistakes but Frank can’t. We are working with a self proclaimed Wack job of a leader.

Smith played like crap and got only 10mins after starting. Trier played like crap and got only 7mins after starting. So Frank wasn't really singled out. I think it was more of the timing. Game was really competitive late in the game and Frank had 2 lazy pass TOs which will piss any coach off. Credit to Spurs defense though, they upped the pressure and were contesting every pass. They have underrated length.

Frank was cheated his layup though which was a goal tending.

Ellington is terrible cuz he thinks he is Kobe smh.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

Allanfan20 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

Frank had a bad actually really terrible 2 passes. He actually had 2 very good passes that his teammate clanked and Taj blowing the dunk but those 2 passes was CYO level type passes. His defense was good. Had a nice steal but the goal tending no call took that away. He was an afterthought on the game coming in late in the 3rd quarter. Then getting the hook. He is a pro and should be able to handle that but it is understandable that he pressed and looked out of sorts on offense. The quick hook was terrible. Other players got a 2nd reprieve but it is what it is. He has to do better.

Agree on Trier. He needs to keep attacking or he is useless out there.

DSJr was horrible. I really think he is hurt. He needs to get that right because I think he can be really good.

Payton really reminds me of Jarrett Jack without the jumper.

NYKBocker wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

I agree Frank played very bad last night. However I do question the timing of putting him in at that point. I would of put him in after Smith was struggling just for defense. Not saying Frank would of played any better but it was strange to put him in that late in the game.

I agree that it was a tough situation for Frank but he is a pro and he needs to step up.

This is on Fiz. You need to put your players where they can succeed. He basically put Frank in the game where everybody has been more than warmed up and Frank being cold as heck. knicks1248 was right in that I also felt they will lose the lead. He was almost set up to fail.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Who did you watch the game with?

Ntilikina had a VERY bad stretch - couldn't do much worse. His lazy telegraphed passes were not good at all - but I think in both instances he picked up his dribble early and put himself in a bad position. Is the NBA released missed calls this season? I'm curious what they'd have to say about that goal tending on Frank's layup. Whether the ball got the ball on the way up or down, the defender also slammed his hand against the backboard before the ball had a chance to clear the basket. That's potential goaltend in 2 ways.

It was clear, however, that the Knicks unit played with the most poise when Elfrid was on the court.

The full court frenetic defense doesn't work when players get tired, so if that's the brand of basketball Fizdale wants, he'll need to find a way to get his other guards on the floor and keep his starters in the low 30 min range so they're able to give max effort.

Hoping that Fizdale learns something from this game.