Finestrg wrote:
Porzingis has been a mixed bag so far for me. Tonight, his length on defense really helped against Okafor but what the hell is he on offense? Biggest enigma out of anyone picked in the first round. Not being critical at all--I'm just beyond curious as to what we have with this kid. What I see is either he's not being aggressive enough demanding the ball and then not aggressive enough once he does get it or he's not getting it enough. Hard to tell--maybe a little of all 3. I really wanna see the kid want the ball more, then shoot the ball more. I wonder where his sweet spots are on the floor. I have trouble figuring out what his identity will be on offense, where he'll be most effective, even what position he should play and what players on the 15-man he'll be effective playing with...What I really liked tonight was his halftime interview -- admitting he was playing poorly and needed to play better was indeed refreshing, I agree with Breeny.

Just watch the highlight video and you can see his game in this offense. His game right now will likely be flashing to the Elbow, PnP, occasional 3pt shot and operating in the Pinch Post where he can face up. What you saw him doing in this game is basically some of the looks he'll get in this offense but with many more touches.

nixluva wrote:

Finestrg wrote:
Porzingis has been a mixed bag so far for me. Tonight, his length on defense really helped against Okafor but what the hell is he on offense? Biggest enigma out of anyone picked in the first round. Not being critical at all--I'm just beyond curious as to what we have with this kid. What I see is either he's not being aggressive enough demanding the ball and then not aggressive enough once he does get it or he's not getting it enough. Hard to tell--maybe a little of all 3. I really wanna see the kid want the ball more, then shoot the ball more. I wonder where his sweet spots are on the floor. I have trouble figuring out what his identity will be on offense, where he'll be most effective, even what position he should play and what players on the 15-man he'll be effective playing with...What I really liked tonight was his halftime interview -- admitting he was playing poorly and needed to play better was indeed refreshing, I agree with Breeny.

KP is a versatile big. He's a forward now and may eventually grow into a C. He'll score all over the place as he gets stronger. He's got range to 3 and he can hit the mid range jumper. If he was a little stronger he'd be posting up more.

Just watch the highlight video and you can see his game in this offense. His game right now will likely be flashing to the Elbow, PnP, occasional 3pt shot and operating in the Pinch Post where he can face up. What you saw him doing in this game is basically some of the looks he'll get in this offense but with many more touches.

I agree. Galloway is either not recognizing KP or he just does not want to pass the ball to KP. KP had a bunch of post ups against smaller players and they could not get him the ball. This is a problem.

dk7th wrote:if i recall correctly: right hand end of the court in the second half, perhaps the 4th quarter. okafor is on the left baseline gets his **** stuffed and by a knick defender who hardly leaves his feet and yet okafor recovers the ball. new possession for him from deeper in the left corner. he drives to the lane with his right and throws an elbow to the knick defender's throat/chin. the broadcast might have shown the foul on replay. i believe the ref called an offensive foul on okafor and okafor's father was shown protesting the call.

not a good look from dear old dad.

My bad...I just saw it..3:35 4th qt..incidental contact..He was trying to clear space after being rejected..That wasn't malicious..

mreinman wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:again, porzingis bothering okafor's shot. length bothers okafor, just like length bothers boozer.

OK4 is out of shape..No lift on that shot..The 82 game/travel schedule will test who can hack it..When OK4 gets in shape and works on his ft, he will be a beast..

one of the bigger ifs. what'd you think of the play where he gets stuffed by slim lanky and then decides a shot to the chin with the elbow is in order no less? i think it was a bitch move and showed a lack of character....

If you are referring to OK4 pushing off Grant and the incidental contact hitting Grant in the throat before he even took the shot, then you later try to say OK4 retaliated with his elbow, after being blocked..Then this is showing me your character more so than that of OK4..

I thought he threw his arm out after the block- but it on the offensive foul against KP, I think. It was on the player prior to him asking to come out of the game.

I use the free feed on my computer, and the quality is so so, as are my eyes.

He actually plays bully ball on a somewhat regular basis, and has gotten away with some arm swings and elbows on offense, and grabbing people he's guarding. I don't think he wants to waste his energy chasing his man.

OK if you get away with this type of stuff, I suppose, but he is doing it. Kind of like Shaq in this regard.

Karma came back to bite him in the end, though,

Well you are wrong..I watched it again a few times..Grant was between him and Zingis..OK4 tried to clear space before the release and hit Grant with the area above his wrist not his elbow..Again, it was prior to the shot..Zingis blocked the shot and they ran up court..Zero retaliation effort..None..

6:45, bro... Left elbow/arm to the face.

intentional?

If a guy like O'Quinn was on the floor when he used the elbow he would have been in OK4's face.

Just glad the ref made the right call...one that OK4's dad surely did not agree with.

Finestrg wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Finestrg wrote:
Porzingis has been a mixed bag so far for me. Tonight, his length on defense really helped against Okafor but what the hell is he on offense? Biggest enigma out of anyone picked in the first round. Not being critical at all--I'm just beyond curious as to what we have with this kid. What I see is either he's not being aggressive enough demanding the ball and then not aggressive enough once he does get it or he's not getting it enough. Hard to tell--maybe a little of all 3. I really wanna see the kid want the ball more, then shoot the ball more. I wonder where his sweet spots are on the floor. I have trouble figuring out what his identity will be on offense, where he'll be most effective, even what position he should play and what players on the 15-man he'll be effective playing with...What I really liked tonight was his halftime interview -- admitting he was playing poorly and needed to play better was indeed refreshing, I agree with Breeny.

KP is a versatile big. He's a forward now and may eventually grow into a C. He'll score all over the place as he gets stronger. He's got range to 3 and he can hit the mid range jumper. If he was a little stronger he'd be posting up more.

Just watch the highlight video and you can see his game in this offense. His game right now will likely be flashing to the Elbow, PnP, occasional 3pt shot and operating in the Pinch Post where he can face up. What you saw him doing in this game is basically some of the looks he'll get in this offense but with many more touches.

I agree. Galloway is either not recognizing KP or he just does not want to pass the ball to KP. KP had a bunch of post ups against smaller players and they could not get him the ball. This is a problem.

Granted, but I think Krispy also needs to do a little better job demanding the ball too, esp. knowing he's got people asking so many questions about him.

I'm confident that KP will make the needed improvements. He's mostly passing the test so far IMO. You can see that he is a fighter and won't back down. He eventually adjusted to OK4's strength and weight and held his position better. He will do better posting up as well with more reps. Once KP gains strength he's gonna be a monster. No one will be able to stop him.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:again, porzingis bothering okafor's shot. length bothers okafor, just like length bothers boozer.

OK4 is out of shape..No lift on that shot..The 82 game/travel schedule will test who can hack it..When OK4 gets in shape and works on his ft, he will be a beast..

one of the bigger ifs. what'd you think of the play where he gets stuffed by slim lanky and then decides a shot to the chin with the elbow is in order no less? i think it was a bitch move and showed a lack of character....

If you are referring to OK4 pushing off Grant and the incidental contact hitting Grant in the throat before he even took the shot, then you later try to say OK4 retaliated with his elbow, after being blocked..Then this is showing me your character more so than that of OK4..

I thought he threw his arm out after the block- but it on the offensive foul against KP, I think. It was on the player prior to him asking to come out of the game.

I use the free feed on my computer, and the quality is so so, as are my eyes.

He actually plays bully ball on a somewhat regular basis, and has gotten away with some arm swings and elbows on offense, and grabbing people he's guarding. I don't think he wants to waste his energy chasing his man.

OK if you get away with this type of stuff, I suppose, but he is doing it. Kind of like Shaq in this regard.

Karma came back to bite him in the end, though,

Well you are wrong..I watched it again a few times..Grant was between him and Zingis..OK4 tried to clear space before the release and hit Grant with the area above his wrist not his elbow..Again, it was prior to the shot..Zingis blocked the shot and they ran up court..Zero retaliation effort..None..

look at the video provided by longmire. need i point out that you are defending a 76er, champ?

There were two times he hit someone with the elbow..stop being a drama queen..incidental contact..I always call it how I see it..

it was intentional and above the chest. it's the game within the game and don't think the refs are going to look past that because they're not. he looks prone to frustration fouls. matter of fact i think porzingis and n'dour figured him out pretty quickly.

I think you are blowing it out of proportion..OK4 is not in shape and is using his arm to clear space instead of using his body..if you think he is retailing for being blocked then nothing I can say about that..If you feel that our kids show growth and figured him out the we have a bright future..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:again, porzingis bothering okafor's shot. length bothers okafor, just like length bothers boozer.

OK4 is out of shape..No lift on that shot..The 82 game/travel schedule will test who can hack it..When OK4 gets in shape and works on his ft, he will be a beast..

one of the bigger ifs. what'd you think of the play where he gets stuffed by slim lanky and then decides a shot to the chin with the elbow is in order no less? i think it was a bitch move and showed a lack of character....

If you are referring to OK4 pushing off Grant and the incidental contact hitting Grant in the throat before he even took the shot, then you later try to say OK4 retaliated with his elbow, after being blocked..Then this is showing me your character more so than that of OK4..

I thought he threw his arm out after the block- but it on the offensive foul against KP, I think. It was on the player prior to him asking to come out of the game.

I use the free feed on my computer, and the quality is so so, as are my eyes.

He actually plays bully ball on a somewhat regular basis, and has gotten away with some arm swings and elbows on offense, and grabbing people he's guarding. I don't think he wants to waste his energy chasing his man.

OK if you get away with this type of stuff, I suppose, but he is doing it. Kind of like Shaq in this regard.

Karma came back to bite him in the end, though,

Well you are wrong..I watched it again a few times..Grant was between him and Zingis..OK4 tried to clear space before the release and hit Grant with the area above his wrist not his elbow..Again, it was prior to the shot..Zingis blocked the shot and they ran up court..Zero retaliation effort..None..

look at the video provided by longmire. need i point out that you are defending a 76er, champ?

There were two times he hit someone with the elbow..stop being a drama queen..incidental contact..I always call it how I see it..

it was intentional and above the chest. it's the game within the game and don't think the refs are going to look past that because they're not. he looks prone to frustration fouls. matter of fact i think porzingis and n'dour figured him out pretty quickly.

I think you are blowing it out of proportion..OK4 is not in shape and is using his arm to clear space instead of using his body..if you think he is retailing for being blocked then nothing I can say about that..If you feel that our kids show growth and figured him out the we have a bright future..

i said he was not in shape during the tournament which was weeks and weeks ago. i also noted then that he had no lift on his shot and he would have trouble against nba-level talent. i also questioned his character back during the tournament. today's game did not change those perceptions.

during the period that led up to the draft i said that i wanted towns or winslow and that if we got okafor i hope we could somehow trade down for two picks, like winslow and kaminsky. knicks were never going to draft russell or mudiay... of that i am certain. when we got porzingis i said i liked the pick, having seen his length and athleticism in the workout videos. the game footage i saw showed good court awareness too.

who was your first choice after towns?

NYY1NYK2 wrote:Galloway looked good last yr because we had no one. I'm ready to move on

Ah, the knick fan life cycle- praise rookies in their first year and overhype them, blast them to **** in the second year. Is there honestly any player we haven't done this to?

ESOMKnicks wrote:
The impression that I got from KP's Spanish highlight videos and which made me question whether he could ever be a franchise cornerstone is that he is simply not a one-on-one, create-his-own-shot, gimme-the-damn-ball-and-get-the-hell-outta-my-way player. He needs to play within a team concept for his offense: put backs, rolls to the basket, open jump shots. Without teammates passing him the ball or plays called for him, I just don't know how effective he can be.

So far, SL play only reinforces my view.

Where is that American "me first" attitude we all crave... where is that swagger that we all love to see? Why oh why, Kris, are you looking to be part of a team and not selfishly promoting yourself? Forget about passing the ball or setting screens, you should be putting up 15-20 shots and making 5 of them like many of your American born counterparts are doing in SL. How will the NBA market you...how will you market yourself and your brand, if you continue to play selflessly, and not selfishly?!

Who do you think you are, Kris Porzingis...some kind of Latvian Bill Russell??

If you actually take a deep breath, have some iced coffee, or some other legal stimulant which may wake you up, and then look again at what you just wrote, perhaps...just perhaps, if you have any sense, you may come to understand why Phil Jackson, and not you, is in charge of creating a competitive team and choosing what kind of players will help the franchise achieve the success it has not had in many many years.

OK4 was blocked 5 times.

Dude showed some super advanced post moves but there is some other troubling signs for the young man, starting with conditioning.