Anji wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:That Realgm poster who broke the Jason Kidd to Bucks thing 2 days before it happened, was claiming that Melo and Pau are going to the Knicks, and that they have trades lined up and will also sign Lebron- ha! Anyone actually believe that crap?!

Melo is definitely up to something- I think the rumour of him going to Miami IF Bosh goes to Houston makes the most sense- otherwise there's no reason for this long delay.

I hope so because just paying Melo $129m like most seem to want is an outright disaster. Its the worst possible scenario actually. I don't even think Melo is that dumb. Phil certainly isnt

guns... nobody *wants* that. Its simply the better alternative to having him walk for nothing. Even if you give him that you can still sign a max guy next offseason. You can still use the draft. You can still make good trades and aquire assets and young players.

Knicks front office was retarded BEFORE Melo got here. Dont blame him for their bad moves. Hell if we dont have Amare and his horrible deal we probably send Bargs and THrj to Phili and Lebron and MElo are Knicks next year. Who knows. The point is paying Melo isnt and shouldnt be the issue.

How good do you think this team is going to be and how attractive to FAs? I said it looks a little below a .500 team but I don't think you gave your prediction.

sorry I missed this.

I think as curently constructed about 50 wins. Much more like the team two years ago than last years team. There will be more changes but this is good team with Melo back. We needed better guard play and we really upgraded that area. Despite being a rookie I expect great things from Fisher and for Phil to put him in a position to succeed and back him up.

If the season started today I would start:
PG Calderon
SG JR
SF Shump
PF MElo
C Dalembert
bench: Larkin/Amare/THjr/Cole

upside:
contract years for Shump/Amare/Bargs (notice I didnt include Bargs in my rotation. If he contributes great)
We know Larkin is great in the P&R so I bring him and Amare off the bench and get that going. Defense will suck but they will score. Thats a nice bench pop.
JR isnt as good as he was two years ago, but not as bad as last year

Downside: health. Guys break down etc... but we saw two years ago after extablishing a style of play different guys can step in.

Thats what I see. Im sure the metrics hate us but I remember those metrics predictions you posted and they were a joke. Got the Knicks right, and that was about it.

Not sure how that line up wins 50 games. Three of those guys wouldn't be starting on a good team. I think 37-40 wins tops

and yet we won 54 games staring Melo/Chandler/Felton and a revolving door of Ronnie Brewer, Shump, Prigs, Kidd, Copeland, James White, KMart and Kurt Thomas. Go figure. Time will tell...

I am interested to see how a little bit of new blood and a system helps this team. I think Melo has shown to be a very stabilizing figure for getting a team to the playoffs minus last season. I think if guys have normal seasons, the knicks win the division again.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:That Realgm poster who broke the Jason Kidd to Bucks thing 2 days before it happened, was claiming that Melo and Pau are going to the Knicks, and that they have trades lined up and will also sign Lebron- ha! Anyone actually believe that crap?!

Melo is definitely up to something- I think the rumour of him going to Miami IF Bosh goes to Houston makes the most sense- otherwise there's no reason for this long delay.

I hope so because just paying Melo $129m like most seem to want is an outright disaster. Its the worst possible scenario actually. I don't even think Melo is that dumb. Phil certainly isnt

guns... nobody *wants* that. Its simply the better alternative to having him walk for nothing. Even if you give him that you can still sign a max guy next offseason. You can still use the draft. You can still make good trades and aquire assets and young players.

Knicks front office was retarded BEFORE Melo got here. Dont blame him for their bad moves. Hell if we dont have Amare and his horrible deal we probably send Bargs and THrj to Phili and Lebron and MElo are Knicks next year. Who knows. The point is paying Melo isnt and shouldnt be the issue.

the melo deal was the apotheosis of mental retardation-- that is ALL on dolan ("i did not know what i was doing") and melo by the way-- and is why the knicks are in the mess we are in.

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:That Realgm poster who broke the Jason Kidd to Bucks thing 2 days before it happened, was claiming that Melo and Pau are going to the Knicks, and that they have trades lined up and will also sign Lebron- ha! Anyone actually believe that crap?!

Melo is definitely up to something- I think the rumour of him going to Miami IF Bosh goes to Houston makes the most sense- otherwise there's no reason for this long delay.

I hope so because just paying Melo $129m like most seem to want is an outright disaster. Its the worst possible scenario actually. I don't even think Melo is that dumb. Phil certainly isnt

guns... nobody *wants* that. Its simply the better alternative to having him walk for nothing. Even if you give him that you can still sign a max guy next offseason. You can still use the draft. You can still make good trades and aquire assets and young players.

Knicks front office was retarded BEFORE Melo got here. Dont blame him for their bad moves. Hell if we dont have Amare and his horrible deal we probably send Bargs and THrj to Phili and Lebron and MElo are Knicks next year. Who knows. The point is paying Melo isnt and shouldnt be the issue.

How good do you think this team is going to be and how attractive to FAs? I said it looks a little below a .500 team but I don't think you gave your prediction.

sorry I missed this.

I think as curently constructed about 50 wins. Much more like the team two years ago than last years team. There will be more changes but this is good team with Melo back. We needed better guard play and we really upgraded that area. Despite being a rookie I expect great things from Fisher and for Phil to put him in a position to succeed and back him up.

If the season started today I would start:
PG Calderon
SG JR
SF Shump
PF MElo
C Dalembert
bench: Larkin/Amare/THjr/Cole

upside:
contract years for Shump/Amare/Bargs (notice I didnt include Bargs in my rotation. If he contributes great)
We know Larkin is great in the P&R so I bring him and Amare off the bench and get that going. Defense will suck but they will score. Thats a nice bench pop.
JR isnt as good as he was two years ago, but not as bad as last year

Downside: health. Guys break down etc... but we saw two years ago after extablishing a style of play different guys can step in.

Thats what I see. Im sure the metrics hate us but I remember those metrics predictions you posted and they were a joke. Got the Knicks right, and that was about it.

Not sure how that line up wins 50 games. Three of those guys wouldn't be starting on a good team. I think 37-40 wins tops

and yet we won 54 games staring Melo/Chandler/Felton and a revolving door of Ronnie Brewer, Shump, Prigs, Kidd, Copeland, James White, KMart and Kurt Thomas. Go figure. Time will tell...

honestly, I don't think Melo resigns w/that line up. One of the few Melo quotes we have in the offseason is that he doesn't war to go through another 37 win season

you may be right. Time will tell.

If we could free up some cap room, "Trevor Ariza, 29, is asking for a four-year contract with a starting salary in in the $9-11 million range."

PG Calderon
SG Shump
SF Ariza
PF MElo
C Dalembert

Gasol/JR/Larkin

What do you think of this line up?

Anji wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:That Realgm poster who broke the Jason Kidd to Bucks thing 2 days before it happened, was claiming that Melo and Pau are going to the Knicks, and that they have trades lined up and will also sign Lebron- ha! Anyone actually believe that crap?!

Melo is definitely up to something- I think the rumour of him going to Miami IF Bosh goes to Houston makes the most sense- otherwise there's no reason for this long delay.

I hope so because just paying Melo $129m like most seem to want is an outright disaster. Its the worst possible scenario actually. I don't even think Melo is that dumb. Phil certainly isnt

guns... nobody *wants* that. Its simply the better alternative to having him walk for nothing. Even if you give him that you can still sign a max guy next offseason. You can still use the draft. You can still make good trades and aquire assets and young players.

Knicks front office was retarded BEFORE Melo got here. Dont blame him for their bad moves. Hell if we dont have Amare and his horrible deal we probably send Bargs and THrj to Phili and Lebron and MElo are Knicks next year. Who knows. The point is paying Melo isnt and shouldnt be the issue.

the melo deal was the apotheosis of mental retardation-- that is ALL on dolan ("i did not know what i was doing") and melo by the way-- and is why the knicks are in the mess we are in.

So what's Phil "lowball" Jacksons problem??? He retarded too???

i don't know if he has a problem but we will find out eventually how retarded jackson is. if he overpays melo then he believes that melo is capable of playing in the triangle offense and getting in better shape. in other words he believes he can elevate melo's game and sees this overpaying as an investment rather than a reward for melo's past record which is extremely unimpressive.

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:That Realgm poster who broke the Jason Kidd to Bucks thing 2 days before it happened, was claiming that Melo and Pau are going to the Knicks, and that they have trades lined up and will also sign Lebron- ha! Anyone actually believe that crap?!

Melo is definitely up to something- I think the rumour of him going to Miami IF Bosh goes to Houston makes the most sense- otherwise there's no reason for this long delay.

I hope so because just paying Melo $129m like most seem to want is an outright disaster. Its the worst possible scenario actually. I don't even think Melo is that dumb. Phil certainly isnt

guns... nobody *wants* that. Its simply the better alternative to having him walk for nothing. Even if you give him that you can still sign a max guy next offseason. You can still use the draft. You can still make good trades and aquire assets and young players.

Knicks front office was retarded BEFORE Melo got here. Dont blame him for their bad moves. Hell if we dont have Amare and his horrible deal we probably send Bargs and THrj to Phili and Lebron and MElo are Knicks next year. Who knows. The point is paying Melo isnt and shouldnt be the issue.

How good do you think this team is going to be and how attractive to FAs? I said it looks a little below a .500 team but I don't think you gave your prediction.

sorry I missed this.

I think as curently constructed about 50 wins. Much more like the team two years ago than last years team. There will be more changes but this is good team with Melo back. We needed better guard play and we really upgraded that area. Despite being a rookie I expect great things from Fisher and for Phil to put him in a position to succeed and back him up.

If the season started today I would start:
PG Calderon
SG JR
SF Shump
PF MElo
C Dalembert
bench: Larkin/Amare/THjr/Cole

upside:
contract years for Shump/Amare/Bargs (notice I didnt include Bargs in my rotation. If he contributes great)
We know Larkin is great in the P&R so I bring him and Amare off the bench and get that going. Defense will suck but they will score. Thats a nice bench pop.
JR isnt as good as he was two years ago, but not as bad as last year

Downside: health. Guys break down etc... but we saw two years ago after extablishing a style of play different guys can step in.

Thats what I see. Im sure the metrics hate us but I remember those metrics predictions you posted and they were a joke. Got the Knicks right, and that was about it.

Not sure how that line up wins 50 games. Three of those guys wouldn't be starting on a good team. I think 37-40 wins tops

and yet we won 54 games staring Melo/Chandler/Felton and a revolving door of Ronnie Brewer, Shump, Prigs, Kidd, Copeland, James White, KMart and Kurt Thomas. Go figure. Time will tell...

honestly, I don't think Melo resigns w/that line up. One of the few Melo quotes we have in the offseason is that he doesn't war to go through another 37 win season

you may be right. Time will tell.

the schoene prediction model will tell before time does, just like it did last season.

your lineup is not good at all. maybe 40 wins.

calderon is a sieve defensively and as a pass first point guard is squandered in the triangle.

alternatively is jackson going to have smith run the triangle?!? or melo?!? LOL.

shumpert is out of position and undersized at small forward. and is he going to guard the other team's pg? or is that on smith?

so in order to use calderon properly the triangle is not really ideal which means that whatever offense is run it will involve smith and melo getting the vast majority of the shots, and that has proven to be a bad idea come playoff time.

your lineup is garbage and no way gets 50 wins.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If Melo is really considering LA that means New York really and maybe never meant anything to him.

what Was "COMING HOME" about then???

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:That Realgm poster who broke the Jason Kidd to Bucks thing 2 days before it happened, was claiming that Melo and Pau are going to the Knicks, and that they have trades lined up and will also sign Lebron- ha! Anyone actually believe that crap?!

Melo is definitely up to something- I think the rumour of him going to Miami IF Bosh goes to Houston makes the most sense- otherwise there's no reason for this long delay.

I hope so because just paying Melo $129m like most seem to want is an outright disaster. Its the worst possible scenario actually. I don't even think Melo is that dumb. Phil certainly isnt

guns... nobody *wants* that. Its simply the better alternative to having him walk for nothing. Even if you give him that you can still sign a max guy next offseason. You can still use the draft. You can still make good trades and aquire assets and young players.

Knicks front office was retarded BEFORE Melo got here. Dont blame him for their bad moves. Hell if we dont have Amare and his horrible deal we probably send Bargs and THrj to Phili and Lebron and MElo are Knicks next year. Who knows. The point is paying Melo isnt and shouldnt be the issue.

How good do you think this team is going to be and how attractive to FAs? I said it looks a little below a .500 team but I don't think you gave your prediction.

sorry I missed this.

I think as curently constructed about 50 wins. Much more like the team two years ago than last years team. There will be more changes but this is good team with Melo back. We needed better guard play and we really upgraded that area. Despite being a rookie I expect great things from Fisher and for Phil to put him in a position to succeed and back him up.

If the season started today I would start:
PG Calderon
SG JR
SF Shump
PF MElo
C Dalembert
bench: Larkin/Amare/THjr/Cole

upside:
contract years for Shump/Amare/Bargs (notice I didnt include Bargs in my rotation. If he contributes great)
We know Larkin is great in the P&R so I bring him and Amare off the bench and get that going. Defense will suck but they will score. Thats a nice bench pop.
JR isnt as good as he was two years ago, but not as bad as last year

Downside: health. Guys break down etc... but we saw two years ago after extablishing a style of play different guys can step in.

Thats what I see. Im sure the metrics hate us but I remember those metrics predictions you posted and they were a joke. Got the Knicks right, and that was about it.

Not sure how that line up wins 50 games. Three of those guys wouldn't be starting on a good team. I think 37-40 wins tops

and yet we won 54 games staring Melo/Chandler/Felton and a revolving door of Ronnie Brewer, Shump, Prigs, Kidd, Copeland, James White, KMart and Kurt Thomas. Go figure. Time will tell...

honestly, I don't think Melo resigns w/that line up. One of the few Melo quotes we have in the offseason is that he doesn't war to go through another 37 win season

you may be right. Time will tell.

the schoene prediction model will tell before time does, just like it did last season.

your lineup is not good at all. maybe 40 wins.

calderon is a sieve defensively and as a pass first point guard is squandered in the triangle.

alternatively is jackson going to have smith run the triangle?!? or melo?!? LOL.

shumpert is out of position and undersized at small forward. and is he going to guard the other team's pg? or is that on smith?

so in order to use calderon properly the triangle is not really ideal which means that whatever offense is run it will involve smith and melo getting the vast majority of the shots, and that has proven to be a bad idea come playoff time.

your lineup is garbage and no way gets 50 wins.

The idea for calderon wasn't the fact that he's a pass first pg in a triangle system, I believe he was brought here for his 3 point shooting, think (bj, paxon,kerr, harper, fisher) and like kidds unselfish play infected the whole squad (including melo)calderon has the same mind set.

I'm not sure why you think he's a bad fit, most ppl think he's a perfect fit

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If Melo is really considering LA that means New York really and maybe never meant anything to him.

what Was "COMING HOME" about then???

It was just an evil marketing ploy, akin to "WE ARE WITNESS" in Cleveland... it's just another exhibit in the lying, retarded, 27/8 cancerous wretch that achieved nothing here other than not making the playoffs this past season and dragging this franchise down at least 6 notches and set the franchise back 10 years.

And he's not even a "real" New Yorker. Like Marbury.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:been saying the same thing for years azamatbagatov. It won't sink in until Melo is sitting on the bench in a suit in the same chair occupied by Mcdyess & Allan Houston and many others with 2-3yrs left on his contract. As the countdown on Melo's days as a knick and his expiring contract begins. We are not getting any younger. 41+ years since our last championship

yep you would think seeing the same thing happen over and over would eventually sink in. The Knicks should get ready for the players coming off rookie deals as their core pieces.Those contracts arent crippling like the super max deals. You can get 3 of those guys and still have room for a couple spare parts.

Yea man.. I mean look at what Will Chandler, Gallo and Mosgov (that equalls about $20mm) have accomplished. Maybe we should avoid all talent that might be expensive? How is Derrick Rose?

You keep your talent. You keep your picks. You keep building. ITs not that hard.

Just say you dont want Melo. You dont like the guy, you would rather suck and be warm and cuddly with hope... why make stuff up about a guys health to make you feel better about not wanting him back.

I want him back at 16-18 not 25-30

When you out to eat do you ask for the porterhouse but ask only to pay the price of the sirloin? I mean cmon... take your feelings out of it and realize this price is set by the market.

I ask for Honey Nut Cheerios and get this:

What did I pay? Does it taste the same?

smackeddog wrote:So, to summarise, Melo is waiting for Lebron to decide, who is waiting for Bosh, who is waiting for Lebron. Stalemate.

It's pretty obvious Melo doesn't really want to be back- we're probably his third choice at the moment.

All we know is Phil offered the max and Melo has yet to take it. The options are pretty straightforward:
1) Melo is waiting on another move from Phil to resign
2) Melo likes more than one offer and simply cant decide which makes the best for him yet
3) Melo is waiting on another team under the radar or the Rockets/Bulls and is quiet so not to jeapordize the trade negotiations while that team clears cap space

The guy is human. Its a big life choice. Folks forget these arent robots or programs in the matrix.

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:So, to summarise, Melo is waiting for Lebron to decide, who is waiting for Bosh, who is waiting for Lebron. Stalemate.

It's pretty obvious Melo doesn't really want to be back- we're probably his third choice at the moment.

this is what I am talking about. Cmon people... the only thing thats obvious is nobody here has a clue why or what is happening. Was it pretty obvious Felton was going to be traded for picks and an upgrade at PG? Did anyone call that one?

All we know is Phil offered the max and Melo has yet to take it. The options are pretty straightforward:
1) Melo is waiting on another move from Phil to resign
2) Melo likes more than one offer and simply cant decide which makes the best for him yet
3) Melo is waiting on another team under the radar or the Rockets/Bulls and is quiet so not to jeapordize the trade negotiations while that team clears cap space

The guy is human. Its a big life choice. Folks forget these arent robots or programs in the matrix.

+ 1,0000

You've been dead on in this whole thread. This is Melo's last big contract, lots of factors play into this decision including possibly uprooting his family, which nobody seems to mention or care about.