Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

You're free to view .600 in reg season, and 7-14 in the playoffs, and high ppgh, as meaningful but you should respect that some of our fellow Knicks fans don't.

It needs to go both ways which, is my issue with some. We are told to respect the views of posters who dislike Anthony but, they many refuse to accept the views of guys who do. I recently got practically stalked by a guy calling me a Melo lover because I rarely post critiques.

The Melo haters seem to be the most vocal group here and they give those who like him constant grief.

Also, switch him and Melo and we'd be hating on George too

misterearl wrote:Go Big Or Go Home

Sometimes, the game simply boils down to tenacity and resilience. Mental toughness under duress. The Pacers have a quality that our beloved Knicks displayed during an enjoyable 54-28 season. The difference was their ability to assert their will on the game. In rerospect, with the Miami series as a prism, the Pacers took our best shot and diverted us from what we do best, by imposing a dominant physical presence.

three things

1. Indiana has a curious mix of size and understated swag, if there is such a thing

2. Paul George is a calm superstar. He hit some pivotal shots. His dunk last night was majestic.

3. Tyson Chandler was absolutely, positively dominated by Hibbert. 2 points and 6 rebounds ain't gonna cut it.

4. George is going step for step with Lebron. The dap was a sign of ultimate respect. He would have abused Copeland with his feline quickness. Cope would have had to match him hoop for hoop, and play Gary Payton-like defense, which he does not. Somebody call an ambulance.

5. 6'5 Lance Stephenson is too crazy (and too big and fast) for Prigioni, Kidd or Felton to stay with. Crazy I tell you. He played the Knicks with the revenge mindset-fire of Ron Artest returning to The Garden. No one saw that coming. No one.

Crazy.

Paul George went on record saying he wasn't ready to be the Alpha dog in a post season ending interview. He didn't know it would be that tough to be the man. Say Paul , Danny Granger didn't school you and show you the ranks ?

Shutting down All NBA player Paul George(7 points, 2-9 shooting). Similar to how he shut down Rose at the end of all those Bulls-Heat games in 2011. Lebron put George in a vice grip, he could never do that to Melo, Melo knows how to play against Lebron it's all mental his edge over Lebron.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

You're looking at it the wrong way IMO - It looks like you're trying to answer questions like, "Do you rebuild with youth"? "Do you rebuild through the draft?" "Through free agency?" Etc. Those are the wrong questions. You should ask, "When acquiring young players or veterans or when drafting or when tradings, etc, what pieces of information should you look at?
Most of the successful teams have players who look great in *all* or *nearly all* of the advanced metrics (win shares, wins produced, Olivers' offensive and defensive ratings, and probably PER too. More so than in the past, I try to give a weight to all these metrics. You'll never find a poorly built team that had several players meeting those criteria - unless tons of injuries, very rapid aging, or some other unforeseeable circumstance happened.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

You're looking at it the wrong way IMO - It looks like you're trying to answer questions like, "Do you rebuild with youth"? "Do you rebuild through the draft?" "Through free agency?" Etc. Those are the wrong questions. You should ask, "When acquiring young players or veterans or when drafting or when tradings, etc, what pieces of information should you look at?
Most of the successful teams have players who look great in *all* or *nearly all* of the advanced metrics (win shares, wins produced, Olivers' offensive and defensive ratings, and probably PER too. More so than in the past, I try to give a weight to all these metrics. You'll never find a poorly built team that had several players meeting those criteria - unless tons of injuries, very rapid aging, or some other unforeseeable circumstance happened.

No matter how you dodge it the best players together usually win.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

You're looking at it the wrong way IMO - It looks like you're trying to answer questions like, "Do you rebuild with youth"? "Do you rebuild through the draft?" "Through free agency?" Etc. Those are the wrong questions. You should ask, "When acquiring young players or veterans or when drafting or when tradings, etc, what pieces of information should you look at?
Most of the successful teams have players who look great in *all* or *nearly all* of the advanced metrics (win shares, wins produced, Olivers' offensive and defensive ratings, and probably PER too. More so than in the past, I try to give a weight to all these metrics. You'll never find a poorly built team that had several players meeting those criteria - unless tons of injuries, very rapid aging, or some other unforeseeable circumstance happened.

Inother words..."have the best players in the league that has the most talent".

No matter how you dodge it the best players together usually win.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

You're looking at it the wrong way IMO - It looks like you're trying to answer questions like, "Do you rebuild with youth"? "Do you rebuild through the draft?" "Through free agency?" Etc. Those are the wrong questions. You should ask, "When acquiring young players or veterans or when drafting or when tradings, etc, what pieces of information should you look at?
Most of the successful teams have players who look great in *all* or *nearly all* of the advanced metrics (win shares, wins produced, Olivers' offensive and defensive ratings, and probably PER too. More so than in the past, I try to give a weight to all these metrics. You'll never find a poorly built team that had several players meeting those criteria - unless tons of injuries, very rapid aging, or some other unforeseeable circumstance happened.

Inother words..."have the best players in the league that has the most talent".

No matter how you dodge it the best players together usually win.

It depends on what you mean by "best." If you're using the word "best" to imply that there is something "obvious to lay observers," then the answer is a resounding no. If you're using the word "best" to indicate that the above approach would lead to an easy to follow set of suggestions as a GM, then it's a more complicated discussion.

You know what "best" means that's all you need, quit trying to figure out what I mean.

There is no set way to built a title team, the games still have to be played.

This is exactly right, and exactly why you must give yourself a chance every year. If you have a team that can get you into the playoffs each year, and into the second round more years than not, you have a chance. Some years you will finish as a first round exit (contenders do this nearly every year), but other years, because the games still must be played, you give yourself a chance to compete for a title. While there is no set way to build a title, i see that teams building around star players and elite scorers tend to be in the playoffs each year, thus providing themselves a chance to compete because they get to play in the games every year. Teams who build thru the draft are faced with an uphill battle that will likely force them to sacrafice many years of no chance at all, only to hope the future is better based on untapped potential.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

exactly bonn.. great post.. which is why I caution posters when it comes to these trade threads to put yourself in the other teams shoes.. for example if we had Bledsoe and Deandre Jordan, would we be looking to trade them for tyson chandler... the answer is Hell to the nah!!

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

Based on recent history, the best way to build a championship team is by aquiring big time talent via free agency and trade. Most of these players come to that team as mid-career, prime players. Maybe one of those players started with the team at a young age, but won't win a title until he is well into his prime and joined by other players at the same point in their career. In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there. Again, that path might be most appealing because its more fun and has many unknown factors, but recent history suggests the odds of building a championship team thru the draft are slim to none. OKC has been the model example of everything going right in a draft for a team over a 3-year period and years later they are still looking for their championship.

oh really? but you forgot one major part.. those teams had a core piece on that team they drafted... they didn't werck their team to acquire such players..

celtics, had pierce and rondo

heat: wade

lakers: kobe

mavs: Dirk

only team that didn't really have that was detroit, but lord knows we are not looking to follow the detroit model.. we need STAAAAAARS!!!

In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there

in other words this is not true... only if carmelo had stayed in denver could you say such a thing.. problem is, denver got him AI and billups and they still could not get to the finals...

you are not just wrong here but 100% wrong..

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tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

name me one team who isn't trying to win a championship? despite records I doubt there is a franchise out there that isn't trying to win a championship...

All 30 teams do not go into each season with a goal to win a championship that season.

so you are saying they go in with a goal to lose.. now expectations are one thing, but every team goes into the season trying to win every game...or at least they should... to say some teams will never have a goal of a championship is not true, every year teams are hoping to get that franchise player in the lottery, to have that breakout year... To be the next OKC...