fishmike wrote:

Anji wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Anji wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Anji wrote:I would rather live in playas america than most of you guys arguing for a ban.

Trusting the people with their guns is far better than trusting the government at gun point.

catch 22 right? If there were no guns the US gov wouldnt have to carry out covert attacks on citizens killing innocents to ensure agendas are met etc.
So which is safer? In playas world the gov is killing us and hiding behind masked sucicide shooters. Pick your poison

Sorry dude, but Black Wallstreet fire bombings and the Tuskegee experiments must have never happened in your view of the past.

Honestly I don't know what to say, our government has killed it's citizens in the past, how could anyone ever make light of them doing it in the future???

yes. And owning slaves was once legal. And its the same gov right? Seriously your quoting stuff from 60-90 years ago? Seriously?

The Tuskegee syphilis experiment[1] (also known as the Tuskegee syphilis study or Public Health Service syphilis study) was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972.............

I know exactly what they were. They let those guys suffer horrific deaths. Which has WHAT to do with this gov? NOTHING. That era and this have nothing in common.

How Ironic when most of the posts I've read here have nothing to do with the thread topic!!!!

playa2 wrote:Who really killed the Connecticut children?

by Kevin Barrett

When something unbelievably evil happens in one of our schools, like the recent murder of 27 children and teachers at the Newtown School in Connecticut, the media always tells us the same thing: blame the lone nut(s).

But history suggests that many if not most schoolyard massacres, like other large-scale acts of domestic terrorism, have a much more sinister agenda.

Sheriff Pat Sullivan, who ran the Columbine investigation, was arrested last year and convicted of coercing sexual favors from a child in exchange for methamphetamine. His ridiculously short sentence, served in the jail that bears his name, amounted to a slap on the wrist. Rumor has it that Sullivan is part of a pedophile network along the lines of the Finders of Lost Children and the perpetrators of the Franklin Scandal child sex ring.

Some Columbine victims’ family members suspect that Sheriff Sullivan was involved in a “butt rape” incident involving the alleged Columbine shooters. Were those shooters mind-controlled sex-abuse victims?

Rogue intelligence agents and their psychiatrist colleagues have been brainwashing “lone nuts” to commit murder at least since the CIA’s MK-Ultra program achieved its objectives circa 1960.

Why would such “rogue networks” want to send brainwashed Manchurian Candidates into schools to massacre children?

Let’s allow one of the terrorists themselves to answer that question.

Remember Operation Gladio? The Pentagon, through NATO, organized bombings and shootings in the streets of Europe. When one of the terrorists got caught, he explained at his trial: “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public to turn to the State to ask for greater security.” He later explained the “strategy of tension” to the BBC: “To create tension within the country to promote conservative, reactionary social and political tendencies.”

Google “Brabant massacre” for more gory details.

So the answer to the question, WHY? is really very simple: When you terrorize the population, you open the door for fascist, authoritarian politicians.

Operation Gladio never ended. It’s still happening, right here in America.

Wade Michael Page, the “man with a 9/11 tattoo” blamed for the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting, turned out to be a US Army psy-ops specialist.

The “DC Sniper” – the US Army Special Forces whiz who changed his name to “Muhammad” just in time to go on a shooting spree – was another government-sponsored false-flag operation.

So whenever an event like today’s Connecticut massacre screams out at you from your screen: BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID, you should tell the mainstream media brain washers to go to hell, then join those of us who are exposing the false flag terrorists and setting the stage for a world in which they will no longer ply their bloody trade.
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I'm amazed how many grown men who seem intelligent haven't connected the dots yet and haven't studied world history takeovers. Some of you are catching on and that's a good thing.

Lets do more research:

The Anti-Defamation League specifically cites Barrett as one of the leading promoters of anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories as part of a "network of anti-Israel conspiracists who endorse and reinforce each other's work" who "blame Israel for numerous nefarious deeds and false flag operations." along with Gordon Duff, who runs Veterans Today, and Alan Sabrosky.[33]

On May 14, 2008 Barrett sent an email to supporters claiming to have received the endorsement of WTDY talk radio show host John "Sly" Sylvester. Questions were immediately raised about this claim, which Barrett was never able to prove. Some said Sly was joking. Also on May 14 Sean Haugh, the Political Director of the National Libertarian Party, asked the Wisconsin Libertarians not to nominate Barrett, and stated that he (Haugh) would "go out of my way to disassociate him from the national LP."

According to the Wisconsin State Journal and the Associated Press; Kevin Barrett, 49, was arrested in Madison on Tuesday afternoon September 16, 2008 after police said he violated a Sauk County court order forbidding contact with his family. He reportedly turned himself in and was released from the Dane County Jail after posting $500 cash bail.

Playa.. this is the type of source that drives your theories? And you call me a sheep and a zombie?

playa2 wrote:Who really killed the Connecticut children?

by Kevin Barrett

When something unbelievably evil happens in one of our schools, like the recent murder of 27 children and teachers at the Newtown School in Connecticut, the media always tells us the same thing: blame the lone nut(s).

But history suggests that many if not most schoolyard massacres, like other large-scale acts of domestic terrorism, have a much more sinister agenda.

Sheriff Pat Sullivan, who ran the Columbine investigation, was arrested last year and convicted of coercing sexual favors from a child in exchange for methamphetamine. His ridiculously short sentence, served in the jail that bears his name, amounted to a slap on the wrist. Rumor has it that Sullivan is part of a pedophile network along the lines of the Finders of Lost Children and the perpetrators of the Franklin Scandal child sex ring.

Some Columbine victims’ family members suspect that Sheriff Sullivan was involved in a “butt rape” incident involving the alleged Columbine shooters. Were those shooters mind-controlled sex-abuse victims?

Rogue intelligence agents and their psychiatrist colleagues have been brainwashing “lone nuts” to commit murder at least since the CIA’s MK-Ultra program achieved its objectives circa 1960.

Why would such “rogue networks” want to send brainwashed Manchurian Candidates into schools to massacre children?

Let’s allow one of the terrorists themselves to answer that question.

Remember Operation Gladio? The Pentagon, through NATO, organized bombings and shootings in the streets of Europe. When one of the terrorists got caught, he explained at his trial: “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public to turn to the State to ask for greater security.” He later explained the “strategy of tension” to the BBC: “To create tension within the country to promote conservative, reactionary social and political tendencies.”

Google “Brabant massacre” for more gory details.

So the answer to the question, WHY? is really very simple: When you terrorize the population, you open the door for fascist, authoritarian politicians.

Operation Gladio never ended. It’s still happening, right here in America.

Wade Michael Page, the “man with a 9/11 tattoo” blamed for the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting, turned out to be a US Army psy-ops specialist.

The “DC Sniper” – the US Army Special Forces whiz who changed his name to “Muhammad” just in time to go on a shooting spree – was another government-sponsored false-flag operation.

So whenever an event like today’s Connecticut massacre screams out at you from your screen: BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID, you should tell the mainstream media brain washers to go to hell, then join those of us who are exposing the false flag terrorists and setting the stage for a world in which they will no longer ply their bloody trade.
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I'm amazed how many grown men who seem intelligent haven't connected the dots yet and haven't studied world history takeovers. Some of you are catching on and that's a good thing.

playa2 wrote:Create the problem so you can create the solution!

Batman shooter = connections to Darpa, Sikh temple shooter = US Army Psyops. Let's not forget the ex-marine who shot up a grocery store in NJ a few months ago. Is all this coincidence?

That's the plan !

And who are the planners?

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote:Create the problem so you can create the solution!

Batman shooter = connections to Darpa, Sikh temple shooter = US Army Psyops. Let's not forget the ex-marine who shot up a grocery store in NJ a few months ago. Is all this coincidence?

That's the plan !

And who are the planners?

Still searching, so are many others .

Playa2, you are probably nice guy, I have to tell you:

unless you are profiting from this Conspiracy INdustry, you are wasting your time and losing income, you are losing income because you are doing things which do not improve your condition but just distract from your real goals.

Find your passion and let your wings take you, and love the earth

I suggest you start lifting weights, it has done wonders for my mental health and overall well-being

Yours in strength,
IronWill

Are you a racist? Hoping not...

Buyer Beware: Veterans Today and its Anti-Israel Agenda
Posted in Anti-Semitic, Extremist Propaganda by Evelyn Schlatter on January 6, 2011

Veterans Today (VT) is a website that bills itself as a “military veterans and foreign affairs journal.” And, indeed, many of its contributors are military veterans or veterans’ advocates from across the political spectrum. VT also offers some information about veterans’ benefits (lifted from the Veterans’ Administration) and links to home and other loans for vets.

But start reading the posts, and you’ll find something else entirely: myriad claims that there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 (Israel orchestrated it, in cahoots with the American government), that the American government is a puppet (of Israel), that the Holocaust never happened or was greatly exaggerated (Jews made it up to manipulate non-Jews), and, most recently, that Julian Assange, the man behind Wikileaks, is a pawn (of Israel).

Notice a theme?

Gordon Duff, the senior editor and chairman of the board at VT, is a prolific proponent of these anti-Israel conspiracy theories, including the Wikileaks claims. Though he does occasionally write on issues and policies that directly affect American veterans (he claims to be a Marine Vietnam veteran), most of his ammo is reserved for churning out articles that claim 9/11 was a U.S./Israel conspiracy and that Israel controls the U.S. government. According to Duff and VT contributors like author and attorney Jeff Gates, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a civil rights watchdog group, and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a lobbying group, are Zionist-controlled fronts for Israeli intelligence operations.

In December, Duff claimed that “insiders at the ADL” admitted that Israel was behind Wikileaks, perhaps a slam at an ADL piece a few days earlier. In that article, the ADL pointed out that many of the conspiracy theories about Israel and Wikileaks “are being promulgated by … anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist” Gordon Duff. Marilyn Mayo, a director at the ADL Center on Extremism, told Hatewatch that Duff did not speak to anyone at the ADL and, like other conspiracy theorists, he “makes information up and presents it as the truth.” Indeed, Duff claimed that the ADL website was “loading up with warnings and attacks” defending Wikileaks and Assange. But the ADL’s website claims nothing of the sort and Duff provides no evidence that the “ADL source” he says he is quoting actually exists.

Duff’s anti-Israel articles get a lot of play, and are often quoted or linked to on other conspiracy sites as well as on white nationalist sites like Stormfront and White News Now. Indeed, the anti-Israel bent on VT can slide pretty quickly into overt anti-Semitism. J.B. Campbell, a self-proclaimed founder of the militia movement, wrote this past November on VT: “Since Jews control every important aspect of our lives through banking, finance, law, war, food & drugs and entertainment, we are literally floating on a reservoir of truth blocked by a dam of lies… . The Jews have poisoned our minds for a long time, certainly for all the time that we’ve been alive.” Campbell also claims that Jews control the Federal Reserve and the US Army.

VT has its supporters — check the comments (some virulently anti-Semitic) on any of its articles — but also detractors. A contributor at Burn Pit, a discussion list maintained by American Legion members, refuses to comment or answer questions about articles at VT. In early 2010, the blogger said that, according to VT, “9-11, just like everything else that has happened in the past 50 years to the detriment of the US and the world, is nothing short of the fauilt [sic] of an international cabal of Jews, which is my second reason for never replying to VT nonsense.”

American military veterans looking for information about veterans’ issues and a more balanced take on foreign affairs — as opposed to what looks like an endless stream of Israel-bashing mixed in with some bona fide anti-Semitism — would be better-served looking elsewhere.

The basic premise of Veterans Today(VT) is anti-Zionist approach that attempts to paint Israel as the leading cause of all world problems.VT borders on anti-Semitism even though the Senior Editor Gordon Duff claim Jewish ancestry.

This is little if any references to he information published but there are a great deal of innuendos,assumptions... and accusations,all designed to fuel the minds of left wing conspiracy theorists.

As was already stated above if anyone dares to disagree with the established opinions,the comments are not published.Everything has to be pointing into a direction set by the editorial staff.In a private disagreement with Mr. Duff,he stated that it was nothing but the freedom of the press to disregard certain ideas that fail to meet their agenda.

Mr. Duff even went so far as to insinuate that he would have the survivors of the USS Liberty take care of me.If one will notice Mr. Duff states that he is a 100% disabled vet and has PTSD yet he claims to be a constant world wide traveler meeting with the highest circles of intelligence and political figures.He claims to work closely with the US government and US business interests but what entity would place faith and trust in a mental patient.PTSD is a psychological disorder and I don't mean to belittle any person who legitimately suffers from that disorder.

Many of the commentors are regulars that have learned a few key words of hate and mal content and attempt to paint negative images f almost anybody.Why I have been listed as a crook and nobody knows me other than disagreeing with the fruit basket cases.If what yuo are looking for it hate,discontent,lies,half truths amd black propaganda,then VT is for you.To each their own.

Veteranstoday reflects the opinions of proislamic militant authors. All efforts to refute a point or contradict a falsehood is eliminated from publication. The views of radical Pakistani writers are reflected, not American Vets. The information published is hearsay and not substantiated with objective data. It is a very low form of journalism... especially because it pretends to be a fact based journal when, in truth, it is someone's biased opinion. Poorly written, vague and libelous journalism is what Veteranstoday is all about.

This website is nothing but vile Nazi-style propaganda...

...it is also so disgusting to hear so many people are being fooled by someone like Gordon Duff. This is the same manner how National Socialism was being accepted by the German people....except in this case to fool the American people you need to pretend that you are against... putting Americans in "indefinite detention" and "supporting" the Constitution, meanwhile you let apologists for the dead Nazi government to write how "innocent" the Nazis were on your own website which is what Gordon Duff does by hiring the wife of holocaust denier and Nazi apologist Ernest Zundel.

Disgusting....

Update:

Gordon Duff in his latest episode makes up a claim on how the French company Eutelsat is somehow an "Israeli company" even though it's FRENCH:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutelsat

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/10/16/266962/eutelsat-is-not-european-it-is-israeli/

If you give five stars to this website, you're a fracking moron for believing in its lies. Seriously, how the hell could Eutelsat be Israeli? Duff likes to suggest he wants freedom of speech, but every time he gets it's only "freedom of speech" for him to blame Jews and never bother to look at the facts.

2nd Update: I am not so fond of owning guns, or being a gun owner, but with the sad pace of how National Socialism (Nazism) in this vile form is being accepted, I wouldn't blame any fellow American Jews to start arming themselves to stop this kind of madness.

An American Hitler will never rise to power, I say this and I am quite Liberal on certain social issues. But oddly enough, the camp that's tolerating this BS doesn't seem to even get it by a long shot that if you go all George McGovern or wRONg Paul, you think these folks would be just like your average types and just sit down and have a civil chat no matter who is presenting it whether it's Obama or Romney or whoever else comes around in the future.

These are people who openly want another holocaust, and they openly state it and when they're exposed for saying it, they go and deny it when it's there as plan as the sky is blue.

are we doing research yet playa?

Look man... Im not trying to flame you. Maybe you should just open your eyes to what your digesting and taking as gospel?

I feel that this one of the core problems we face as a nation. Here we all sit around and complain about what a crap job our respective Govts are doing in regards to XYZ.

We all know the govt, and the media both have an agenda, have lied to the people of this country, flat out lied, spread pure BS, and spread propaganda.

Examples of how the media has a major political bias... the govt lies to the people of the world regarding major events, such as Iraq, Afgahnistan, Libya, Pakistan, Iran, Israel etc.

Its interesting though, that we all know about obvious lies and deceit dished out by our govt(at lease some of us),

but as soon as something big happens, and some one stands up and says 'wait a second this doesn't make sense, this doesn't add up!' people label the guy as a kook, if the TV and the Govt say its true, IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

And if you challenge the official 'story' your a tin foil hat guy.

Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?

The Police Chief is the brother-in-law of the shooters father.

Keep researching those who aren't sure,this case just like the others stink to high heaven.

I think you're missing the point of our nation and our world: it is the Age of Commerce; theorizing about stuff like this shooting is just a big waste of time.

Get in the market and get with the times. The Conspiracy Industry exists to profit from guys like you.