cooch2584 wrote:Im done talking to you tkf.

Knickoftime wrote:

dk7th wrote:the key for melo is to make a supreme effort on the defensive end, demanding the most difficult assignment, whether he is scoring or not.

You trying to play the margins again, in one breath stating Melo's history means what we're seeing now just masks inherent, uncorrectable flaws, in the next laying out what he needs to do to legitimize his superstar status.

Which is it please?

his TS% which in my opinion is the key reason he has underachieved-- poor shot selection and taking generally 4-6 too many shots per game, many of the extra being poorly-selected shots has resulted in my skepticism-- not lack of belief so much as wait and see. i maintained that he needed to tighten up his game on the offensive end in a big way. this season he is actually doing that and the knicks are more successful as a team because of it.

his career he is 54.5%TS and this season he is shooting an elite 59.2TS% thus far. and success has come with this elevation of his game. just because history has shown a pattern statistically does not mean that the problem is either inherent or uncorrectable. but a student of the game and statistics will remain skeptical.

if he is going to remain a scorer primarily and not a player who makes others better then at least be elite at the one thing you do... and he has so far.

that said, in the playoffs he must make a supreme effort to focus on his defensive assignment if he is going to help the team in the conference finals, should the knicks make it there.

i don't know what "superstar status" means. a truly great player will be a legitimate two-way player. and again, it seems like anthony is moving in that direction. hooray for melo.

Knickoftime wrote:

dk7th wrote:no shaq you subtract three. shaq was finals mvp all three years. bryant may be a smart player to you but he isn't to me. he has got great skills but he makes too many impulsive decisions. he lacks savvy. his skills mask his poor decision-making but the celtics exposed him both times they played. game 7 of the second series he was out of his mind.

Your gold standard for the type of player you value is Paul Pierce. Now tell me, do you think Pierce would have the 1 ring he does without Garnett, and/or Allen?

I'll help you. He would not.

So if for sake of discussion we cancel out Shaq for Garnett, score is Kobe 2, Paul 0.

Correct?

incorrect.

pierce has been criminally underrated as a player, playing with terrible teams and playing alongside clowns like antoine walker for the first part of his career. pierce is a finals mvp.

bryant has been overrated for much of his career, as has melo.

players like pierce and ginobili don't have marketable games but they know how to play the game and it is rare they get their due compared to stern's darlings.

To Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony is the toughest cover in the NBA. Tougher, even, than LeBron James.
"For me, yeah," Bryant told Stephen A. Smith in an interview Wednesday.

"He’s always been a player that I enjoyed guarding the most," Bryant said. "He was the most difficult because of his size and his speed."

Listen to Kobe's comments:

Bryant added that Anthony's shooting range, ability to drive to the rim and score in the post make him one of the most lethal offensive weapons in the NBA.

"Melo does it all and he’s as strong as a bull," Bryant said. "For me, I weight (180 pounds) soaking wet. Going up against that bull, man, it’s fun but it’s extremely challenging."

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:Notice,Kobe aint talking stats or TS%. Kobe is talking like a very knowledgeable bball player.Ill take Kobes opinion over a bucket full of meaningless stats and unwarrented hate. There are many agendas being shown here but the only agenda that counts is wins and losses. And right now we are the team to beat. Finally, the Knicks are the talk of all the web sites and sports tv and radio. Why cant some just enjoy this national attention and soak in the glory?.Remember all the negative talk about this franchise over the past 10-15yrs about how we sucked and how we were a dysfunctional org. Its all changed, so myself, keep the stats and WINNING IS THE ONLY THING.

you could stand a refresher course in psychology. bryant is a vain douche who is projecting his own limitations as a player onto carmelo who shares the exact same limitations. of course bryant would sympathize with what amounts to an extension of himself. both these dudes lack utterly the ability for self-reflection and introspection. in speaking about carmelo's problems he is speaking about himself.

There are several problems with this statement.

1. You can not say that he needs a refresher in a psychology "Course" and make a statement regarding self-reflection, when you really don't fully examine this subject or it's studies until about your second full year as a psych major... and this is coming from a psych major.

2. You say Carmelo lack the "ability for self-reflection and introspection" well, really there is no need to use both words, but okay. And the first flaw in your argument is his constant acknowledgement of "GOD", if you've taken a Philosophy and religion class along with that psychology class, you will know that ... the first rule in finding "GOD" is finding yourself, which is a direct cause for self reflection.

Also his ability to point out his flaws and the change in his game this year is called "self correct", which is brought upon "self reflection".

3. Exactly, what are Kobe limitations, and if these limitations have led him to 5 championships, and potentially the second greatest sg to play the game, is this really a valid argument?

4. I agree, Kobe is an a**hole but so are other greats. Michael Jordan was the biggest one!

5. Take away Kobe statements, you still have other players stating the same exact thing. Maybe Jason Kidd, Chris Mullen and Steve Kerr are more credible in your eyes. I would take what they say to the "bank" as well.

6. See, the problem with making statements about someone's character without knowing them can lead to a lot of misunderstanding ... It works both ways, I can "judge" you and say that you have a problem with self-reflection because of your inability to forgive the trade is directly linked to the inability to self reflect.

no need to waste keystrokes on me. melo and bryant are vain douches and their games are extensions of their vanity and douchiness.

i love players who play FOR others.
i like players who play WITH others.
i DON"T like players who merely play ALONGSIDE others.

dk7th wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:Notice,Kobe aint talking stats or TS%. Kobe is talking like a very knowledgeable bball player.Ill take Kobes opinion over a bucket full of meaningless stats and unwarrented hate. There are many agendas being shown here but the only agenda that counts is wins and losses. And right now we are the team to beat. Finally, the Knicks are the talk of all the web sites and sports tv and radio. Why cant some just enjoy this national attention and soak in the glory?.Remember all the negative talk about this franchise over the past 10-15yrs about how we sucked and how we were a dysfunctional org. Its all changed, so myself, keep the stats and WINNING IS THE ONLY THING.

you could stand a refresher course in psychology. bryant is a vain douche who is projecting his own limitations as a player onto carmelo who shares the exact same limitations. of course bryant would sympathize with what amounts to an extension of himself. both these dudes lack utterly the ability for self-reflection and introspection. in speaking about carmelo's problems he is speaking about himself.

There are several problems with this statement.

1. You can not say that he needs a refresher in a psychology "Course" and make a statement regarding self-reflection, when you really don't fully examine this subject or it's studies until about your second full year as a psych major... and this is coming from a psych major.

2. You say Carmelo lack the "ability for self-reflection and introspection" well, really there is no need to use both words, but okay. And the first flaw in your argument is his constant acknowledgement of "GOD", if you've taken a Philosophy and religion class along with that psychology class, you will know that ... the first rule in finding "GOD" is finding yourself, which is a direct cause for self reflection.

Also his ability to point out his flaws and the change in his game this year is called "self correct", which is brought upon "self reflection".

3. Exactly, what are Kobe limitations, and if these limitations have led him to 5 championships, and potentially the second greatest sg to play the game, is this really a valid argument?

4. I agree, Kobe is an a**hole but so are other greats. Michael Jordan was the biggest one!

5. Take away Kobe statements, you still have other players stating the same exact thing. Maybe Jason Kidd, Chris Mullen and Steve Kerr are more credible in your eyes. I would take what they say to the "bank" as well.

6. See, the problem with making statements about someone's character without knowing them can lead to a lot of misunderstanding ... It works both ways, I can "judge" you and say that you have a problem with self-reflection because of your inability to forgive the trade is directly linked to the inability to self reflect.

no need to waste keystrokes on me. melo and bryant are vain douches and their games are extensions of their vanity and douchiness.

i love players who play FOR others.
i like players who play WITH others.
i DON"T like players who merely play ALONGSIDE others.

dk7th wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:Notice,Kobe aint talking stats or TS%. Kobe is talking like a very knowledgeable bball player.Ill take Kobes opinion over a bucket full of meaningless stats and unwarrented hate. There are many agendas being shown here but the only agenda that counts is wins and losses. And right now we are the team to beat. Finally, the Knicks are the talk of all the web sites and sports tv and radio. Why cant some just enjoy this national attention and soak in the glory?.Remember all the negative talk about this franchise over the past 10-15yrs about how we sucked and how we were a dysfunctional org. Its all changed, so myself, keep the stats and WINNING IS THE ONLY THING.

you could stand a refresher course in psychology. bryant is a vain douche who is projecting his own limitations as a player onto carmelo who shares the exact same limitations. of course bryant would sympathize with what amounts to an extension of himself. both these dudes lack utterly the ability for self-reflection and introspection. in speaking about carmelo's problems he is speaking about himself.

There are several problems with this statement.

1. You can not say that he needs a refresher in a psychology "Course" and make a statement regarding self-reflection, when you really don't fully examine this subject or it's studies until about your second full year as a psych major... and this is coming from a psych major.

2. You say Carmelo lack the "ability for self-reflection and introspection" well, really there is no need to use both words, but okay. And the first flaw in your argument is his constant acknowledgement of "GOD", if you've taken a Philosophy and religion class along with that psychology class, you will know that ... the first rule in finding "GOD" is finding yourself, which is a direct cause for self reflection.

Also his ability to point out his flaws and the change in his game this year is called "self correct", which is brought upon "self reflection".

3. Exactly, what are Kobe limitations, and if these limitations have led him to 5 championships, and potentially the second greatest sg to play the game, is this really a valid argument?

4. I agree, Kobe is an a**hole but so are other greats. Michael Jordan was the biggest one!

5. Take away Kobe statements, you still have other players stating the same exact thing. Maybe Jason Kidd, Chris Mullen and Steve Kerr are more credible in your eyes. I would take what they say to the "bank" as well.

6. See, the problem with making statements about someone's character without knowing them can lead to a lot of misunderstanding ... It works both ways, I can "judge" you and say that you have a problem with self-reflection because of your inability to forgive the trade is directly linked to the inability to self reflect.

no need to waste keystrokes on me. melo and bryant are vain douches and their games are extensions of their vanity and douchiness.

i love players who play FOR others.
i like players who play WITH others.
i DON"T like players who merely play ALONGSIDE others.

No dk your a waste PERIOD. Your asked questions and dont provide answers. Its been numerous hours since I asked you a question and of course you dont answer. ANSWER MY QUESTION TROLL

cooch2584 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

dk7th wrote:no shaq you subtract three. shaq was finals mvp all three years. bryant may be a smart player to you but he isn't to me. he has got great skills but he makes too many impulsive decisions. he lacks savvy. his skills mask his poor decision-making but the celtics exposed him both times they played. game 7 of the second series he was out of his mind.

Your gold standard for the type of player you value is Paul Pierce. Now tell me, do you think Pierce would have the 1 ring he does without Garnett, and/or Allen?

I'll help you. He would not.

So if for sake of discussion we cancel out Shaq for Garnett, score is Kobe 2, Paul 0.

Correct?

incorrect.

pierce has been criminally underrated as a player, playing with terrible teams and playing alongside clowns like antoine walker for the first part of his career. pierce is a finals mvp.

bryant has been overrated for much of his career, as has melo.

players like pierce and ginobili don't have marketable games but they know how to play the game and it is rare they get their due compared to stern's darlings.

Kobe and Melo have been overrated??What are you smoking?

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