PresIke wrote:i really don't think it's clear that we overpaid.

it's quite debatable.

like nixluva pointed out, we no longer need to wonder if gallo or wilson would show up. with melo that ain't happening.

now defensively, yes, we aren't any better, but our o, should be better.

we HAD to give up wilson if we wanted melo in free agency.

but we know he wanted to get paid, and would have gone to the nets.

meanwhile, you know amar'e is a risk, so we need ready to play guys who we know will be consistently top players as soon as possible. it wasn't clear that gallo, wilson, or mozgov would be that.

we might have had to give up gallo after next season, and felton too, if we wanted one of the big pg's.

felton was hurting us after a great start to the year, with his poor outside shooting.

that was a concern for me, and we were a .500 team. not a contender, or even legit potential contender with a few tweaks.

billups deal expires next year, and if things go well, we can add one of the major stars available.

this is easily the best 1-2 combo we have had since the 70's title teams.

good post.

in a few years people will be like, "what did the knicks give up for melo again? ...oh. yeah, that was a good deal for them."

what did the Celtics give up for KG? you have to look it up, because there's no memorable young guy they gave away that makes the Celtics pine with regret.

SupremeCommander wrote:

crzymdups wrote:what did the Celtics give up for KG? you have to look it up, because there's no memorable young guy they gave away that makes the Celtics pine with regret.

it's Al Jefferson and the pupu platter. I don't think any of the Knicks traded will be as valuable as Al

gerald greene was involved, too - a lot of dudes here were convinced he was Tmac 2.0. he never panned out. youth in the nba is tricky.

guys like Melo come in and dominate from day 1. some other guys you think will develop but never really do.

however,

1) melo is 26, and kg was 31 when he was dealt.

2) i think melo has been more and more underrated over the past year or so, with a lot of focus on his deficiencies.

PresIke wrote:

tkf wrote:see you later gallo. good luck in denver. I know you will be a star... screw the knicks..

i don't see gallo as a certified future star, and i was a huge supporter. way too inconsistent, even from his strengths, for me, this year.

Walsh, D'Antoni, and scores of Knicks fans would've loved to keep Gallinari, too. But in November, when asked if he believed he could develop into a star or superstar, Gallinari provided this answer:

"I don't think so ... I don't think I have those abilities ... To get to be a superstar you have to have a lot of things, and if you compare me to Carmelo and LeBron, there's a big difference."

BlueSeats wrote:

PresIke wrote:

tkf wrote:see you later gallo. good luck in denver. I know you will be a star... screw the knicks..

i don't see gallo as a certified future star, and i was a huge supporter. way too inconsistent, even from his strengths, for me, this year.

Walsh, D'Antoni, and scores of Knicks fans would've loved to keep Gallinari, too. But in November, when asked if he believed he could develop into a star or superstar, Gallinari provided this answer:

"I don't think so ... I don't think I have those abilities ... To get to be a superstar you have to have a lot of things, and if you compare me to Carmelo and LeBron, there's a big difference."

i remember that...heck i was the one who posted that quote/article here, i believe...haha.

i had hopes for gallo this year. maybe he's playing hurt, with the wrist but his shot is not dropping like it used to, to me.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:ESPN said that Melo has hit 18 Game winning shots. This is kind of what we always talked about. We have never had that guy who could consistently be the man at the and of the game. STAT does it pretty well, but Melo is even better and that has to help this team when it comes to winning games. We may not be great on D, but teams will have a tough time stopping us too. It was already hard, but now it's even tougher. That goes for Billups as well. How many times did Felton fail to come thru in the clutch? Now we have a PG known for coming thru.

I actually wonder if Amar'e and Melo will have trouble determining who is the alpha dog in that role, a little bit.

It was an adjustment for Wade and Bron... might be an adjustment period here, too.

That's the beauty of adding Billups. He made an immediate impact when he joined Denver and I think he can help this team a lot as well. He'll be the brains on the court and as a guy with a ring, he'll get instant respect from everyone on the team.
People are nuts if they don't think MDA isn't ELATED to have Billups running the team! He's coached him before and i'm sure he trusts him and expects big things from him.

PG: Billups
SG: Fields
SF: Melo
PF: Amare
C: Turiaf

What's even more underrated is that if Anthony Carter can give them a little bit of minutes as the backup PG for Billups, they can shuffle Douglas back to his natural shooting guard position and fix one of this season's biggest problems, which means you'd have Carter/Douglas/some combination of Walker/Williams/Brewer or somebody else at SF and they'll probably bring Earl Barron back to fortify the front line. The interior defense sucks, but that's not a big deal in the East until they actually play Boston. Plus, they can upgrade in the offseason if they play their cards right.

Analyzing what they gave up, they lost Chandler and Curry, who'd both be gone to get anyway for them to get Melo, they lost Felton but got a better player back in Chauncey, so that's at least a wash considering that Felton probably wouldn't be here after 2012 and has been struggling as of late. They lost Gallo, which is valuable, but Melo's a much better better player at this point, and they lost Randolph and Mosgov. Randolph wasn't going to fit in here anyway and Mosgov right now is still a developmental prospect. The draft picks hurt, but Walsh seems to do a pretty good job of finding guys and should be able to fortify the front line and fill in the backup point guard position.

Walsh did great work finding us some gems and he's going to be out of here.

This is just a starphuck team built with zero vision that is not equipped to win in the playoffs. I'm surprised we didn't take back big buckets al harrington back