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martin
Posts: 75314 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
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Disorderly Conduct: Conversation About Gates Arrest Precedes Arrest http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/29/disorderly-conduct-conver_n_246794.html ![]() A lawyer who moments earlier had been complaining to friends about police overreaction in the arrest of Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., got a taste of the Gates treatment himself after loudly chanting "I hate the police" near a traffic stop in Northwest Washington, D.C. Pepin Tuma, 33, was walking with two friends along Washington's hip U Street corridor around midnight Saturday, complaining about how Gates had been rousted from his home for not showing a proper amount of deference to a cop. "We'd been talking about it all day," said Tuma. "It seems like police have a tendency to act overly aggressively when they're being pushed around," Tuma recalled saying. Then the group noticed five or six police cruisers surrounding two cars in an apparent traffic stop on the other side of the street. It seemed to Tuma that was more cops than necessary. "That's why I hate the police," Tuma said. He told the Huffington Post that in a loud sing-song voice, he then chanted, "I hate the police, I hate the police." One officer reacted strongly to Tuma's song. "Hey! Hey! Who do you think you're talking to?" Tuma recalled the officer shouting as he strode across an intersection to where Tuma was standing. "Who do you think you are to think you can talk to a police officer like that?" the police officer said, according to Luke Platzer, 30, one of Tuma's companions. Tuma said he responded, "It is not illegal to say I hate the police. It's not illegal to express my opinion walking down the street." According to Tuma and Platzer, the officer pushed Tuma against an electric utility box, continuing to ask who he thought he was and to say he couldn't talk to police like that. "I didn't curse," Tuma said. "I asked, am I being arrested? Why am I a being arrested?" Within minutes, the officer had cuffed Tuma. The charge: disorderly conduct -- just like Gates, who was arrested after police responded to a report of a possible break-in at his home and Gates protested their ensuing behavior. D.C.'s disorderly conduct statute bars citizens from breaching the peace by doing anything "in such a manner as to annoy, disturb, interfere with, obstruct, or be offensive to others" or by shouting or making noise "either outside or inside a building during the nighttime to the annoyance or disturbance of any considerable number of persons." The local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has said that the city's disorderly conduct law is "confusing, overbroad, frequently used by police to harass disfavored individuals" and that it "violates constitutional rights of free speech, assembly and petition." Tuma spent a few hours in a holding cell and was released early Sunday morning after forfeiting $35 in collateral to the police, he said. A "post and forfeit" is not an admission of guilt, and Tuma doesn't have a court date -- but the arrest will pop up if an employer does a background check. Tuma filed a complaint with the D.C. Office of Police Complaints, alleging a lack of probable cause, a false arrest, and that the officer used harassing and demeaning language -- Tuma alleges the officer called him a "faggot." Tuma has retained a lawyer. He might sue if he's not satisfied after a meeting with the complaint office on Thursday. "I have an actionable claim," he said. The Huffington Post obtained a copy of the collateral/bond receipt that lists the charge, but the D.C. Police Department declined to comment and the arresting officer did not answer or return calls to the station. While the Gates incident has largely been treated as a story about race, many have noted, from the Los Angeles Times to Christopher Hitchens to Maureen Dowd, that the incident said as much about police use of disorderly conduct laws. Tuma agrees. "People talk about the Gates thing in terms of race, but it's an ongoing problem of police using disorderly conduct to shut people up," Tuma said. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Paladin55
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![]() Posted by martin: Can Obama, Gates, and PO Crowly take on a 4th person for their beer talk? No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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Rookie
Posts: 26898 Alba Posts: 28 Joined: 10/15/2008 Member: #2274 |
![]() Like I said in an earlier post, cops will mess with anyone with a big mouth no matter what race they are. Best advice - ALWAYS SHOW RESPECT EVEN WHEN YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT AND BAD THINGS WON'T HAPPEN TO YOU.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
![]() Posted by martin: i related a story about something that happened in a DC Chinese restaurant after hours on another thread, but i feel it applies here too... basically what happened was a group of off duty cops were sitting inside eating late at night, this is a spot that people always come to after drinking around Chinatown... it was clear the cops were buzzing themselves but they all had their badges strapped around their necks... 1 of them was dressed up like Baseball Fury gang member from the Warriors & dude was like 6'7" or something... a really scary lookin dude. anyways, the table next to them was 2 young kids & their gf's, 1 of the girls blurted out something like "God, I hate cops" & that set off the table of cops in back of them... 4 of them got up, they looked like roid poppin' wrestlers w/their veins poppin' outta their heads, the dude in the Halloween outfit got into the girl's bf's face & was screaming at him to get TFO of the restaurant before he kicked the crap outta him... the other 3 cops were yelling at the kids too, basically threatening to do them bodily harm if they didn't leave immediately... the kids got up & walked out w/no further incident, but the cops in that case were acting like a buncha drunken hooligans instead of peace officers. now u tell me, why are cops free to use a disorderly conduct charge to put citizens in jail but aren't subject to the same type of prosecution when they display behavior like this? everyone inside the restaurant that night were made to feel uncomfortable & stressed over having to witness that whole incident... did it really need to go there? so what if the girl said she hates cops... is that a crime? yeah she was stupid to say it in a room full of cops, but what's a little girl like that & her skinny bf gonna do against those beefneck douchebags? not a damn thing... is threatening to kick their asses if they didn't leave really serving the public? yeah, they were off duty, but if there had been on duty cops in the restaurant that night does anyone here think for a second those off duty cops woulda been arrested on DOC charges that night? come on wake up people. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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