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islesfan
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2/4/2009  10:47 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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It's called rooting for a high lottery pick. I'm sure when the Knicks are drafting in the lottery, people here will be happy with the draft pick.

You got a lot of learnin to do son.

I have nothing to learn especially from you.

What are we going to get in the 09 lottery? What did we have to gain by you wanting us to lose last year? NOTHING. The Bulls with a FAR BETTER RECORD won the lotto last year. So your theory goes right down the ****ter with that one.

Losing breeds losers. We have some winners on this team. If we win and make the playoffs they benefit and that's experience worth far more than purposely losing only to end up with a 6,7,8,9 pick ANYWAY for we're not bad enough to lose how YOU WANT US TO LOSE (15 wins...) and again, you refuse to acknowledge that having the most losses has nothing to do with winning the lotto.

We've already won more games than the worst teams of the league will probably win so what's the point....

Yeah, you got me there. All that losing got us was Il Bustino. We would have been better off winning more games and picking after another sucker drafted him. But he probably still would have dropped to us even 10 picks later.
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2/4/2009  10:48 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by islesfan:



It's called rooting for a high lottery pick. I'm sure when the Knicks are drafting in the lottery, people here will be happy with the draft pick.

You got a lot of learnin to do son.

You know they are at that point where you don't know what to root for. Close to a playoff berth but still not there. I wouldn't be happy with no playoffs and the 15th pick.

What about no playoffs and pick 5, or 2, or 1?

At this point I have no expectations. I want facts. We get a high pick and most of the time we mess it up (I like Gallinari, but look back and we've messed up lots of them). We make the playoffs and end up swept. We battle for the playoffs and fall short only to get a crappy draft pick. We put all our baskets on a 2010 plan that is still more myth than actual plan. We have the most undesirable players at the worst contracts. Bah.

Liked the two trades we did early this season. Gallo playing has been nice. Lee improving has been great. Other than that, this season sucks as all the past ones.


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2/4/2009  10:49 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by islesfan:



It's called rooting for a high lottery pick. I'm sure when the Knicks are drafting in the lottery, people here will be happy with the draft pick.

You got a lot of learnin to do son.

You know they are at that point where you don't know what to root for. Close to a playoff berth but still not there. I wouldn't be happy with no playoffs and the 15th pick.

We're looking at the 8-14 pick right now. It is what it is but eventually you have to start breeding an atmosphere of confidence and winning. We have young guys on the team here that we consider a part of our future. We do better to win games to develop them than to purposely tank games to try to hope and pray we win a lotto which is foolish.

I'd rather win and develop our kids into winners.

At least Mike D is that type as well, he wants to win, he sees the value in winning, draft position be dammned.

So the wanna be tankers on this forum just need to pack it in.

Yeah but is it really a rebuilding project then. We don't have a pick right now in 2010. Who knows about the Lee and Nate situation. Harrington most likely won't be back and who knows about Duhon. You got to offer these FAs some other reasons to come here other than Hey it's NY.
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2/4/2009  10:49 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Cosmic:
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:

Lost was really good tonight.

Looks like I didn't miss much with the Knicks. LeBron toyed with them, almost got a triple double and the Knicks lost again.

Dream Week continues.

define "almost"?

Oh, my bad. I thought he only had 9 boards. Nice, even better.

Pierce, Allen and KG must be wondering what they're gonne do to finish off Dream Week. Maybe they'll do what they did to the Knicks last year on their home court.

You're happy we lost? Fuck you and your protege TrueGallFameBlueWhatever. You're the Marbury of this forum. Got banished, got allowed back in and get starters minutes, and nobody wants you here.

Anyone who is happy the Knicks lost, if anything to validate their opinion that the team sucks and they knew it all along, and eagerly wait for the team to lose so they can tell and internet community the team sucks and they knew it all along, has a serious problem in life, a void they're looking to fill.... and to choose to piss off an internet community with it is as low as one can get.

Congrats.

This kind of trash belongs on RealGM or ESPN not on a "Knicks Only Forum" like this. Spare us your trash will ya? Thanks.

It's called rooting for a high lottery pick. I'm sure when the Knicks are drafting in the lottery, people here will be happy with the draft pick.

You got a lot of learnin to do son.

Just like you are happy with Gallinari.

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2/4/2009  10:52 PM
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Good game, hard to take another loss but that was good game tonight. Special shoutout to Tommy Dee and theknicksblog.com. I went over to their gathering tonight and Butterfield8 and it was a great time. Really good job by Tommy and co. of organizing. I MIGHT be on SNY TV tonight...they were interviewing people about "What is the craziest thing you would do to bring Lebron to NY?"

I would kiss Isiah on the lips to get LeBron here.

And you guys think I'm not really a Knicks fan.

You are not. You would do it for free.

Before you kill me, let me say this: JUST KIDDING


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2/4/2009  10:53 PM
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Few things I want to mention:

1, Al had a good game. problem is he doesn't know when he has cooled off..

2, Gallo doesn't get the ball much. He is shooting close to 50% and when open doesn't miss.. and he is open often...

3, this team is just not smart overall..

4, Q is the worst shooting guard , starting shooting guard on any level of basketball I have seen..

5, NBA does its fans an injustice with they way the games are called, I remember when guys like bernard, Alex english, Dantley, Bird, Dominique used to score points by making shots. All while being pushed, scratched, hit, poked, the works.. today, when guys can come down 5 straight posessions and get ticky tack foul calls, there is a problem with this league... stern has tried to manufacture stars... He is hurting this league..

6, time to get jeffries out of the center spot....

7, TEam is selfish.. just selfish... when will they learn..


1. He thinks he's a superstar, as don nelson said, but he's not. However without him we're down 20 at the half. Like any non superstar who gets hot they don't know when they're tired and to involve others. Instead he kept shooting and he brought us all the way back then put us right back down 7 with 2 bad shots.

2. Yeah he is ignored. Yet he's already showing signs of being tired. He spots up and does not get it but you watch the guys handling the ball and Duhon (already set in his ways to set up specific players), Nate (looking to get his before anything else) and you can see why it happens. It has to change and lets hope it does.

3. We're rebuilding. We still have a number of idiot players here. A number of 1-1 players. At least now we play half team concept and half 1-1. With Zach/Craw it was 100% 1-1. So it's an improvement. We're hampered by the roster so I can't REALLY get upset over it.

4. Q is almost unstoppable as a post up player. Why we had to wait all these years to see it is beyond me. Yet, he's overweight, overbulked, always hurt..... he is what he is. At least he's a team guy, a motivator, a leader. I can stomach that until he's done in 2010.

5. Lee got trashed on a few plays no call. LeBron had a few eight-step-layups no call. In fact in such a close game the pro-cavs-calls killed us. The NBA is still at it and it's blatant. Nothing we can do. They're more WWF than they are NFL. Have been for a long time.

6. For who though? Start Lee-Harrington-Chandler we got no bench. Then those guys sit down, Effries steps in, and any lead or close game turns into a defecit anyway. We're undermanned. Jeffries will play no matter what. When he plays is of no consequence. Who are we going to play in his place? Malik?

7. They're not built for this system but give it up to them they play it at least half the time. Isiah's team played 1-1 100% of the time. It's an improvement. Again, we're not really playing to go great places this year. But at least feel good they're TRYING to win. Got a number of mental midgets with limited skill on this team so losses are expected. At least they try....
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2/4/2009  10:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:

It's called rooting for a high lottery pick. I'm sure when the Knicks are drafting in the lottery, people here will be happy with the draft pick.

You got a lot of learnin to do son.

I have nothing to learn especially from you.

What are we going to get in the 09 lottery? What did we have to gain by you wanting us to lose last year? NOTHING. The Bulls with a FAR BETTER RECORD won the lotto last year. So your theory goes right down the ****ter with that one.

Losing breeds losers. We have some winners on this team. If we win and make the playoffs they benefit and that's experience worth far more than purposely losing only to end up with a 6,7,8,9 pick ANYWAY for we're not bad enough to lose how YOU WANT US TO LOSE (15 wins...) and again, you refuse to acknowledge that having the most losses has nothing to do with winning the lotto.

We've already won more games than the worst teams of the league will probably win so what's the point....

Yeah, you got me there. All that losing got us was Il Bustino. We would have been better off winning more games and picking after another sucker drafted him. But he probably still would have dropped to us even 10 picks later.

As usual, you got nothing, enjoy your misery.... and keep on trying to piss people off to satisfy yourself. You got no answer for my questions which just shows you're just looking to get a rise out of people. You're no Knick fan, you're just a perturbed individual looking to upset others.

Have a good day I'm done talking to you as it serves no purpose whatsoever.
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2/4/2009  10:55 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by islesfan:



It's called rooting for a high lottery pick. I'm sure when the Knicks are drafting in the lottery, people here will be happy with the draft pick.

You got a lot of learnin to do son.

You know they are at that point where you don't know what to root for. Close to a playoff berth but still not there. I wouldn't be happy with no playoffs and the 15th pick.

What about no playoffs and pick 5, or 2, or 1?

At this point I have no expectations. I want facts. We get a high pick and most of the time we mess it up (I like Gallinari, but look back and we've messed up lots of them). We make the playoffs and end up swept. We battle for the playoffs and fall short only to get a crappy draft pick. We put all our baskets on a 2010 plan that is still more myth than actual plan. We have the most undesirable players at the worst contracts. Bah.

Liked the two trades we did early this season. Gallo playing has been nice. Lee improving has been great. Other than that, this season sucks as all the past ones.



Yep. And next season will also suck like this one.
But we will still root for the Knicks. Regardless.
Go Knicks!!!!


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2/4/2009  10:59 PM
on the tanking thing: the GM has to be the one to drive the tank, and the coach has to coach to win.

We've done that.

Walsh has rid us of Jamal, Zach and Marbury. And Curry took care of himself. That's our former CORE. We're going the season without our former four "best" players. That's a tank.

And, the coach is teaching, motivating, driving wins.

Its the culture change that every one of us knew was the first order of business.

Once both modes are put into position you have to let the chips fall where they may. If we weren't in the playoff hunt then maybe next month you pull Gallo to recoup, and maybe give Duhon some intermittent recovery time too, to further drive the tank. but you couldn't do that now without crippling the players spirit and trust. We'd be right back into the shame of the last seasons.

Sometimes you just gotta do the right thing and live with the consequences. We're doing it right.
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2/4/2009  11:07 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

on the tanking thing: the GM has to be the one to drive the tank, and the coach has to coach to win.

We've done that.

Walsh has rid us of Jamal, Zach and Marbury. And Curry took care of himself. That's our former CORE. We're going the season without our former four "best" players. That's a tank.

And, the coach is teaching, motivating, driving wins.

Its the culture change that every one of us knew was the first order of business.

Once both modes are put into position you have to let the chips fall where they may. If we weren't in the playoff hunt then maybe next month you pull Gallo to recoup, and maybe give Duhon some intermittent recovery time too, to further drive the tank. but you couldn't do that now without crippling the players spirit and trust. We'd be right back into the shame of the last seasons.

Sometimes you just gotta do the right thing and live with the consequences. We're doing it right.

Technically, yes, but many of the unhappy fans that still think we could've gotten more out of those deals will probably disagree, and they will have a point. You don't trade those players for equally efficient players and call it tanking. Trading those players for draft picks and bad players with expiring contracts is one thing. Trading those players for guys like Harrington, Mobley and Thomas says you are still trying to win now. They aren't great, but good enough to win many games. Health issues took Mobley out of the equation, but had he been healthy, we might even be one or two games better than now.


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2/4/2009  11:11 PM
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on the tanking thing: the GM has to be the one to drive the tank, and the coach has to coach to win.

We've done that.

Walsh has rid us of Jamal, Zach and Marbury. And Curry took care of himself. That's our former CORE. We're going the season without our former four "best" players. That's a tank.

And, the coach is teaching, motivating, driving wins.

Its the culture change that every one of us knew was the first order of business.

Once both modes are put into position you have to let the chips fall where they may. If we weren't in the playoff hunt then maybe next month you pull Gallo to recoup, and maybe give Duhon some intermittent recovery time too, to further drive the tank. but you couldn't do that now without crippling the players spirit and trust. We'd be right back into the shame of the last seasons.

Sometimes you just gotta do the right thing and live with the consequences. We're doing it right.

Technically, yes, but many of the unhappy fans that still think we could've gotten more out of those deals will probably disagree, and they will have a point. You don't trade those players for equally efficient players and call it tanking. Trading those players for draft picks and bad players with expiring contracts is one thing. Trading those players for guys like Harrington, Mobley and Thomas says you are still trying to win now. They aren't great, but good enough to win many games. Health issues took Mobley out of the equation, but had he been healthy, we might even be one or two games better than now.



except for the fact that we didn't get Mobley even though we knew he wouldn't play
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2/4/2009  11:17 PM
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on the tanking thing: the GM has to be the one to drive the tank, and the coach has to coach to win.

We've done that.

Walsh has rid us of Jamal, Zach and Marbury. And Curry took care of himself. That's our former CORE. We're going the season without our former four "best" players. That's a tank.

And, the coach is teaching, motivating, driving wins.

Its the culture change that every one of us knew was the first order of business.

Once both modes are put into position you have to let the chips fall where they may. If we weren't in the playoff hunt then maybe next month you pull Gallo to recoup, and maybe give Duhon some intermittent recovery time too, to further drive the tank. but you couldn't do that now without crippling the players spirit and trust. We'd be right back into the shame of the last seasons.

Sometimes you just gotta do the right thing and live with the consequences. We're doing it right.

Technically, yes, but many of the unhappy fans that still think we could've gotten more out of those deals will probably disagree, and they will have a point. You don't trade those players for equally efficient players and call it tanking. Trading those players for draft picks and bad players with expiring contracts is one thing. Trading those players for guys like Harrington, Mobley and Thomas says you are still trying to win now. They aren't great, but good enough to win many games. Health issues took Mobley out of the equation, but had he been healthy, we might even be one or two games better than now.



You have flower reasoning here. Mike and Walsh are ultimate professionals not gamblers. They cannot do bad job just because this is not their nature.
To tank yoo need owner to get bad coach and bad JM. Dolan did just that and whrere we get with it?




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2/4/2009  11:29 PM
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on the tanking thing: the GM has to be the one to drive the tank, and the coach has to coach to win.

We've done that.

Walsh has rid us of Jamal, Zach and Marbury. And Curry took care of himself. That's our former CORE. We're going the season without our former four "best" players. That's a tank.

And, the coach is teaching, motivating, driving wins.

Its the culture change that every one of us knew was the first order of business.

Once both modes are put into position you have to let the chips fall where they may. If we weren't in the playoff hunt then maybe next month you pull Gallo to recoup, and maybe give Duhon some intermittent recovery time too, to further drive the tank. but you couldn't do that now without crippling the players spirit and trust. We'd be right back into the shame of the last seasons.

Sometimes you just gotta do the right thing and live with the consequences. We're doing it right.

Technically, yes, but many of the unhappy fans that still think we could've gotten more out of those deals will probably disagree, and they will have a point. You don't trade those players for equally efficient players and call it tanking. Trading those players for draft picks and bad players with expiring contracts is one thing. Trading those players for guys like Harrington, Mobley and Thomas says you are still trying to win now. They aren't great, but good enough to win many games. Health issues took Mobley out of the equation, but had he been healthy, we might even be one or two games better than now.



You have flower reasoning here. Mike and Walsh are ultimate professionals not gamblers. They cannot do bad job just because this is not their nature.
To tank yoo need owner to get bad coach and bad JM. Dolan did just that and whrere we get with it?

Im discussing a point. Walsh wasn't thinking tanking when he made the deals. Doing the type of deals I suggested, where the Knicks get picks and lesser players with expiring contracts, wouldn't be doing a bad job, especially since its clear the Knicks are rebuilding. I can't and won't argue with Mike because he is a good coach and Im sure he would have any kind of team overachieving.


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on the tanking thing: the GM has to be the one to drive the tank, and the coach has to coach to win.

We've done that.

Walsh has rid us of Jamal, Zach and Marbury. And Curry took care of himself. That's our former CORE. We're going the season without our former four "best" players. That's a tank.

And, the coach is teaching, motivating, driving wins.

Its the culture change that every one of us knew was the first order of business.

Once both modes are put into position you have to let the chips fall where they may. If we weren't in the playoff hunt then maybe next month you pull Gallo to recoup, and maybe give Duhon some intermittent recovery time too, to further drive the tank. but you couldn't do that now without crippling the players spirit and trust. We'd be right back into the shame of the last seasons.

Sometimes you just gotta do the right thing and live with the consequences. We're doing it right.

Technically, yes, but many of the unhappy fans that still think we could've gotten more out of those deals will probably disagree, and they will have a point. You don't trade those players for equally efficient players and call it tanking. Trading those players for draft picks and bad players with expiring contracts is one thing. Trading those players for guys like Harrington, Mobley and Thomas says you are still trying to win now. They aren't great, but good enough to win many games. Health issues took Mobley out of the equation, but had he been healthy, we might even be one or two games better than now.



Come on.

1) Harrington and TT are not equal talent for Jamal, Eddy, Marbury and Zach.

2) Even if they were, if you can get equal talent while freeing yourself of tens of millions of payroll for the FA bonanza, that's good GMing.

The problem is that damn good isn't good enough now. If we don't get the #1 pick in the draft - and pick the best player in the class with it, and get the best coach in the league (who suddenly would no longer be considered the best, or right one, when we got him,) and score not one but the 2 best FAs in 2010, plus Howard in 2011, then everything we've done will be considered wrong, galling and shameful.

Sorry but all you can do is bring in good people, execute a good plan, and hope to get lucky as hell. Right now we're in the first two stages of production. Luck you take whenever it comes.
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Come on.

1) Harrington and TT are not equal talent for Jamal, Eddy, Marbury and Zach.

2) Even if they were, if you can get equal talent while freeing yourself of tens of millions of payroll for the FA bonanza, that's good GMing.

The problem is that damn good isn't good enough now. If we don't get the #1 pick in the draft - and pick the best player in the class with it, and get the best coach in the league (who suddenly would no longer be considered the best, or right one, when we got him,) and score not one but the 2 best FAs in 2010, plus Howard in 2011, then everything we've done will be considered wrong, galling and shameful.

Sorry but all you can do is bring in good people, execute a good plan, and hope to get lucky as hell. Right now we're in the first two stages of production. Luck you take whenever it comes.

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong...but...

Talent? Where did that get us? Isiah "Longer, Younger, Athletic, Talent Assets" Thomas also wanted Eddie Robinson "The MLE is yours if you get healthy" and Darius Miles. Come'on, you gotta be beyond the "TALENT" thing. Those four players, Curry, Marbury, Crawford, Zach, are BUMS in every sense of the word.

Marbury, if you did a 2000 Sixers Iverson with him, surround him with eager role players, you got a pretty good team but that's it. The rest? They are GARBAGE players.

Equal talent? Marbury = Me first malcontent. Crawful = Chucking empty worded idiot. ZachAss = Workhorse, he came to play, I cant fault that, but he's a mental midget, a good passer who never passed, who loved jab stepping and chucking over triple teams. Curry? Fat sack of garbage there is nothing of value there. The "TALENT" in those four players is VASTLY overrated.

We're better without any and all of them. We stripped all that talent and we're better than we've been since the year Marbury was added to Layden's role playing chumps. What does that tell you? We axed our best four players and we're a better team after doing that. Eh, me thinks, they weren't all that good.

Also why are you putting such pressure on 2010/2011? The idea was to purge the roster of career losers, Isiahs mistakes, and throw our hat in the 2010 ring. We're also set so if 2010 doesn't yield the home runs we had 2011 to try to add to the roster.

I don't see the problem here. I'd rather worry about all that AFTER 2010 has taken place. The big points are we purged some trash and now have flexibility. Whether it works out or not is beyond our control and not yet written in history. It's 18 months away! It's better than how we were heading the past 8 years that's for certain.

We had an 0-6 stretch. We were .500 minus that. We had just won 8 of 11 games. Now we face the top teams in the NBA and lose a couple and all that means nothing? We're trash? Not feeling that...
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on the tanking thing: the GM has to be the one to drive the tank, and the coach has to coach to win.

We've done that.

Walsh has rid us of Jamal, Zach and Marbury. And Curry took care of himself. That's our former CORE. We're going the season without our former four "best" players. That's a tank.

And, the coach is teaching, motivating, driving wins.

Its the culture change that every one of us knew was the first order of business.

Once both modes are put into position you have to let the chips fall where they may. If we weren't in the playoff hunt then maybe next month you pull Gallo to recoup, and maybe give Duhon some intermittent recovery time too, to further drive the tank. but you couldn't do that now without crippling the players spirit and trust. We'd be right back into the shame of the last seasons.

Sometimes you just gotta do the right thing and live with the consequences. We're doing it right.

Technically, yes, but many of the unhappy fans that still think we could've gotten more out of those deals will probably disagree, and they will have a point. You don't trade those players for equally efficient players and call it tanking. Trading those players for draft picks and bad players with expiring contracts is one thing. Trading those players for guys like Harrington, Mobley and Thomas says you are still trying to win now. They aren't great, but good enough to win many games. Health issues took Mobley out of the equation, but had he been healthy, we might even be one or two games better than now.



Come on.

1) Harrington and TT are not equal talent for Jamal, Eddy, Marbury and Zach.

2) Even if they were, if you can get equal talent while freeing yourself of tens of millions of payroll for the FA bonanza, that's good GMing.

The problem is that damn good isn't good enough now. If we don't get the #1 pick in the draft - and pick the best player in the class with it, and get the best coach in the league (who suddenly would no longer be considered the best, or right one, when we got him,) and score not one but the 2 best FAs in 2010, plus Howard in 2011, then everything we've done will be considered wrong, galling and shameful.

Sorry but all you can do is bring in good people, execute a good plan, and hope to get lucky as hell. Right now we're in the first two stages of production. Luck you take whenever it comes.

1. Harrington is equivalent to Crawford. Zach and Mardy, included in a deal more focused on cap relief than the previously mentioned, may be better than Mobley and Thomas, but the latter combo still guarantees decent playing, provided healthy. And since they weren't part of any deal, Marbury and Curry don't fit this discussion.

2. I don't argue that, I discuss the fact that the deals were clear tanking. They were not. Walsh would be as good a GM for making the deals he made as for making deals for draft picks and lesser talent with expiring contracts.

In response to the last lines, that seems to be the problem with most fans and media. But thats perception. In the end you have reality. Fact is, this franchise has done more harm to itself than others. It is now that its starting to change, but the path isn't easy. Trading Curry and Jeffries will be an extreme test. Picking the right player in the draft is never a given. Acquiring more picks its hard. And lets not mention how unlikely it seems, at least now, to grab not one but two top free agents while keeping enough talent to contend.

But hey, Im a fan! I hope it all works out because Im tired of the same crappy team. Pressure is on the present regime. So far their effort have been solid, hopefully things will be even better soon.




[Edited by - knicksfan on 02-04-2009 11:48 PM]
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2/4/2009  11:47 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BlueSeats:


Come on.

1) Harrington and TT are not equal talent for Jamal, Eddy, Marbury and Zach.

2) Even if they were, if you can get equal talent while freeing yourself of tens of millions of payroll for the FA bonanza, that's good GMing.

The problem is that damn good isn't good enough now. If we don't get the #1 pick in the draft - and pick the best player in the class with it, and get the best coach in the league (who suddenly would no longer be considered the best, or right one, when we got him,) and score not one but the 2 best FAs in 2010, plus Howard in 2011, then everything we've done will be considered wrong, galling and shameful.

Sorry but all you can do is bring in good people, execute a good plan, and hope to get lucky as hell. Right now we're in the first two stages of production. Luck you take whenever it comes.

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong...but...

Talent? Where did that get us? Isiah "Longer, Younger, Athletic, Talent Assets" Thomas also wanted Eddie Robinson "The MLE is yours if you get healthy" and Darius Miles. Come'on, you gotta be beyond the "TALENT" thing. Those four players, Curry, Marbury, Crawford, Zach, are BUMS in every sense of the word.

Marbury, if you did a 2000 Sixers Iverson with him, surround him with eager role players, you got a pretty good team but that's it. The rest? They are GARBAGE players.

Equal talent? Marbury = Me first malcontent. Crawful = Chucking empty worded idiot. ZachAss = Workhorse, he came to play, I cant fault that, but he's a mental midget, a good passer who never passed, who loved jab stepping and chucking over triple teams. Curry? Fat sack of garbage there is nothing of value there. The "TALENT" in those four players is VASTLY overrated.

We're better without any and all of them. We stripped all that talent and we're better than we've been since the year Marbury was added to Layden's role playing chumps. What does that tell you? We axed our best four players and we're a better team after doing that. Eh, me thinks, they weren't all that good.

Also why are you putting such pressure on 2010/2011? The idea was to purge the roster of career losers, Isiahs mistakes, and throw our hat in the 2010 ring. We're also set so if 2010 doesn't yield the home runs we had 2011 to try to add to the roster.

I don't see the problem here. I'd rather worry about all that AFTER 2010 has taken place. The big points are we purged some trash and now have flexibility. Whether it works out or not is beyond our control and not yet written in history. It's 18 months away! It's better than how we were heading the past 8 years that's for certain.

We had an 0-6 stretch. We were .500 minus that. We had just won 8 of 11 games. Now we face the top teams in the NBA and lose a couple and all that means nothing? We're trash? Not feeling that...

you were right in the first place, you read my post wrong.
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you were right in the first place, you read my post wrong.

LOL

Okay, so we agree? Good.

Good'night.

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2/5/2009  12:27 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BlueSeats:

you were right in the first place, you read my post wrong.

LOL

Okay, so we agree? Good.

Good'night.

Yes, we agree. Let me briefly clarify, because obviously I wasn't clear.

Further up the tread I was saying we were doing the right thing, but Knicksfan said that some will say we didn't do enough to tank.

In #'s 1 and 2 of the post you challenged I was replying that Walsh did essentially put in the traditional tank by dumping our expensive veteran talent for theoretically lesser players with shorter contracts. However, its somewhat unique to our situation that dumping our expensive "stars" makes us arguably better. But so be it, there's only so much you can control. At least you're still making the positive cultural changes and positioning yourself for FA flexibility.

In the paragraph beginning "The problem is that damn good isn't good enough now." I was speaking about the perennial critics who wont be satisfied unless every piece of the puzzle falls into perfect place. And when some pieces do fall into place their parameters will shift and they wont be considered perfect any longer. For instance, remember when it was said that after Isiah we needed a proven, successful coach and GM? Yet now that we have them they still aren't good enough to satisfy the demands of the perennial critics.

The last paragraph restates my general opinion of what's fair to expect in such matters.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Come on.

1) Harrington and TT are not equal talent for Jamal, Eddy, Marbury and Zach.

2) Even if they were, if you can get equal talent while freeing yourself of tens of millions of payroll for the FA bonanza, that's good GMing.

The problem is that damn good isn't good enough now. If we don't get the #1 pick in the draft - and pick the best player in the class with it, and get the best coach in the league (who suddenly would no longer be considered the best, or right one, when we got him,) and score not one but the 2 best FAs in 2010, plus Howard in 2011, then everything we've done will be considered wrong, galling and shameful.

Sorry but all you can do is bring in good people, execute a good plan, and hope to get lucky as hell. Right now we're in the first two stages of production. Luck you take whenever it comes.

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2/5/2009  12:38 AM
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Yes, we agree. Let me briefly clarify, because obviously I wasn't clear.

Further up the tread I was saying we were doing the right thing, but Knicksfan said that some will say we didn't do enough to tank.

In #'s 1 and 2 of the post you challenged I was replying that Walsh did essentially put in the traditional tank by dumping our expensive veteran talent for theoretically lesser players with shorter contracts. However, its somewhat unique to our situation that dumping our expensive "stars" makes us arguably better. But so be it, there's only so much you can control. At least you're still making the positive cultural changes and positioning yourself for FA flexibility.

In the paragraph beginning "The problem is that damn good isn't good enough now." I was speaking about the perennial critics who wont be satisfied unless every piece of the puzzle falls into perfect place. And when some pieces do fall into place their parameters will shift and they wont be considered perfect any longer. For instance, remember when it was said that after Isiah we needed a proven, successful coach and GM? Yet now that we have them they still aren't good enough to satisfy the demands of the perennial critics.

The last paragraph restates my general opinion of what's fair to expect in such matters.

Nice recap.


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