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12/26/2005  10:27 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by BlueSeats:
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Billups never got a lot of assists under Brown. Apparently playing the right way means not getting a lot of assists...

Billips didn't average many assists before Brown either. Mark jackson averaged 9.8 apg in '96 under Brown. Brown didn't get in the way of him being 2nd all time in assists.

blueseats with the corner shot silences the crowd

funny how Billups is averaging 8.4apg this season after 5.8 last season.

also funny that Mark Jackson always averaged more assists when he wasn't playing for Brown...
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksma01.html

Mark Jackson was averaging almost 13apg in 96-97 for Denver before being traded back to INdy where he averaged 9.8 for the last 30 games. He never averaged 8 per game for Brown in any other season. His career average over 17 seasons was 8apg.

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12/26/2005  10:40 PM
I think Q's effort on vince was good in the 4th quarter. The NBA under stern is a joke now, this letting guys like vince pound the ball into the ground and go to the hoop with no intentions of making a basket but searching for a body to throw himself into is a damn joke. The parade to the line rewarding such play is sickening..

we sucked in the first half defensively,letting jackass clowns like collins get open shots, geez... LB needs to just get a fine or ejection and lobby for curry, he gets mugged and then called for a offensive foul, it is a joke, but He and frye were part of the resurgence, I like that lineup..

On a side note, frye made a nice power move on kristic(who is a statue at times) for a baket and the rebound dunk was nice also.. Ariza hit two nice jumpers tonight, all net and handled the ball a bit starting the offense, I see improvement there, for all the ariza detractors..
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12/26/2005  10:43 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

There was no other concievable way to utilize a player like Marc jackson. If he isn't dishing he is completely useless on the floor.

Or backing down Charlie Ward in the paint.

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12/26/2005  10:48 PM
Posted by tkf:

I think Q's effort on vince was good in the 4th quarter. The NBA under stern is a joke now, this letting guys like vince pound the ball into the ground and go to the hoop with no intentions of making a basket but searching for a body to throw himself into is a damn joke. The parade to the line rewarding such play is sickening..

we sucked in the first half defensively,letting jackass clowns like collins get open shots, geez... LB needs to just get a fine or ejection and lobby for curry, he gets mugged and then called for a offensive foul, it is a joke, but He and frye were part of the resurgence, I like that lineup..

On a side note, frye made a nice power move on kristic(who is a statue at times) for a baket and the rebound dunk was nice also.. Ariza hit two nice jumpers tonight, all net and handled the ball a bit starting the offense, I see improvement there, for all the ariza detractors..

I agree with the first of your post, I am sick of it too, no player should be rewarded for recklessly going to the basket with no real shot in mind, also one of Carter's dunks was assisted by a Kristic moving pick on Frye, which should've been called. BY no means this is why we lost it was the lack of defense in the first 3 quarters.
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12/26/2005  10:50 PM
Posted by tkf:

I think Q's effort on vince was good in the 4th quarter. The NBA under stern is a joke now, this letting guys like vince pound the ball into the ground and go to the hoop with no intentions of making a basket but searching for a body to throw himself into is a damn joke. The parade to the line rewarding such play is sickening..

we sucked in the first half defensively,letting jackass clowns like collins get open shots, geez... LB needs to just get a fine or ejection and lobby for curry, he gets mugged and then called for a offensive foul, it is a joke, but He and frye were part of the resurgence, I like that lineup..

On a side note, frye made a nice power move on kristic(who is a statue at times) for a baket and the rebound dunk was nice also.. Ariza hit two nice jumpers tonight, all net and handled the ball a bit starting the offense, I see improvement there, for all the ariza detractors..



Q absolutely f sckd. I dont know how many people here actually know basketball. How much worse can Q-rich be for the Ny Knicks? What did he do positive tonight--something when the Nets were up 23? Right now, they'd be better of playing Q Woods his minutes and putting him in street clothes.

As far as fcking larry brown conspiracy theories and positive notes from the NY gang, its all crp. A 125 mm $ team down 20 AGAIn at home--down double digits in every game but 4. If nate doesnt hit 5 3s while NJ was sleeping wed have lost by 25. Somethimes even the saving face part may hide reality, may not be worth it. but Nate did play hard and he does get the only prop from me.

as far as some people blaming marbury, please clamp it, marbury is the only consistent knick. he may not be the right fit, but he is far from being the major problem.
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12/26/2005  10:53 PM
Our defense sucked! Marbs won't put his hands up! He looks puney next to kidd! Stumpy!

Nate is nice when you have nothing to lose. sure, Let him loose and he can score, but in a tight game, he is turnover prone.

Our centers are ball hogs.

Positive, Reezys jumper looks smooth! They don't call a damm thing for him. Qich is still lost.

I thought the offense was just fine tonite, and in the 2nd period Marbs was playing the 2 and it looked ok. Vince looked miserable, but can do what he wants. I saw him two weeks ago in Charlotte and he was a strong!

Losing sucks.
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12/26/2005  11:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

I think Q's effort on vince was good in the 4th quarter. The NBA under stern is a joke now, this letting guys like vince pound the ball into the ground and go to the hoop with no intentions of making a basket but searching for a body to throw himself into is a damn joke. The parade to the line rewarding such play is sickening..

we sucked in the first half defensively,letting jackass clowns like collins get open shots, geez... LB needs to just get a fine or ejection and lobby for curry, he gets mugged and then called for a offensive foul, it is a joke, but He and frye were part of the resurgence, I like that lineup..

On a side note, frye made a nice power move on kristic(who is a statue at times) for a baket and the rebound dunk was nice also.. Ariza hit two nice jumpers tonight, all net and handled the ball a bit starting the offense, I see improvement there, for all the ariza detractors..



Q absolutely f sckd. I dont know how many people here actually know basketball. How much worse can Q-rich be for the Ny Knicks? What did he do positive tonight--something when the Nets were up 23? Right now, they'd be better of playing Q Woods his minutes and putting him in street clothes.

As far as fcking larry brown conspiracy theories and positive notes from the NY gang, its all crp. A 125 mm $ team down 20 AGAIn at home--down double digits in every game but 4. If nate doesnt hit 5 3s while NJ was sleeping wed have lost by 25. Somethimes even the saving face part may hide reality, may not be worth it. but Nate did play hard and he does get the only prop from me.

as far as some people blaming marbury, please clamp it, marbury is the only consistent knick. he may not be the right fit, but he is far from being the major problem.


I'm not a Marbs hater (nor backer) - but the guy has not played consistently. Tonight 5 assists 5 TOs - very little stopping of dribble penetration.
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12/26/2005  11:03 PM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

I think Q's effort on vince was good in the 4th quarter. The NBA under stern is a joke now, this letting guys like vince pound the ball into the ground and go to the hoop with no intentions of making a basket but searching for a body to throw himself into is a damn joke. The parade to the line rewarding such play is sickening..

we sucked in the first half defensively,letting jackass clowns like collins get open shots, geez... LB needs to just get a fine or ejection and lobby for curry, he gets mugged and then called for a offensive foul, it is a joke, but He and frye were part of the resurgence, I like that lineup..

On a side note, frye made a nice power move on kristic(who is a statue at times) for a baket and the rebound dunk was nice also.. Ariza hit two nice jumpers tonight, all net and handled the ball a bit starting the offense, I see improvement there, for all the ariza detractors..



Q absolutely f sckd. I dont know how many people here actually know basketball. How much worse can Q-rich be for the Ny Knicks? What did he do positive tonight--something when the Nets were up 23? Right now, they'd be better of playing Q Woods his minutes and putting him in street clothes.

As far as fcking larry brown conspiracy theories and positive notes from the NY gang, its all crp. A 125 mm $ team down 20 AGAIn at home--down double digits in every game but 4. If nate doesnt hit 5 3s while NJ was sleeping wed have lost by 25. Somethimes even the saving face part may hide reality, may not be worth it. but Nate did play hard and he does get the only prop from me.

as far as some people blaming marbury, please clamp it, marbury is the only consistent knick. he may not be the right fit, but he is far from being the major problem.


I'm not a Marbs hater (nor backer) - but the guy has not played consistently. Tonight 5 assists 5 TOs - very little stopping of dribble penetration.

marbury starting line up

jerome james
q rich
trevor ariza
a davis

and you ask why he has 5 assists and 5 TOs?
sorry marbury is FAR from the big problem. im not saying he is the golden boy, but he is much more consistent than any other guard and its not close.
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12/26/2005  11:14 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

I think Q's effort on vince was good in the 4th quarter. The NBA under stern is a joke now, this letting guys like vince pound the ball into the ground and go to the hoop with no intentions of making a basket but searching for a body to throw himself into is a damn joke. The parade to the line rewarding such play is sickening..

we sucked in the first half defensively,letting jackass clowns like collins get open shots, geez... LB needs to just get a fine or ejection and lobby for curry, he gets mugged and then called for a offensive foul, it is a joke, but He and frye were part of the resurgence, I like that lineup..

On a side note, frye made a nice power move on kristic(who is a statue at times) for a baket and the rebound dunk was nice also.. Ariza hit two nice jumpers tonight, all net and handled the ball a bit starting the offense, I see improvement there, for all the ariza detractors..



Q absolutely f sckd. I dont know how many people here actually know basketball. How much worse can Q-rich be for the Ny Knicks? What did he do positive tonight--something when the Nets were up 23? Right now, they'd be better of playing Q Woods his minutes and putting him in street clothes.

As far as fcking larry brown conspiracy theories and positive notes from the NY gang, its all crp. A 125 mm $ team down 20 AGAIn at home--down double digits in every game but 4. If nate doesnt hit 5 3s while NJ was sleeping wed have lost by 25. Somethimes even the saving face part may hide reality, may not be worth it. but Nate did play hard and he does get the only prop from me.

as far as some people blaming marbury, please clamp it, marbury is the only consistent knick. he may not be the right fit, but he is far from being the major problem.


Briggs, just because people don't see things the way your mind does, doesn't mean they don't know basketball, but I though Q in the 4th quarter gave a big effort, Q woods was escorting Jefferson to the basket early, we really have no defensive stopper at the 3 spot, ariza at times but when he is in the game, craw is at SG and that weakens us defensively there...

as far as blaming marbury, I agree, it is not all his fault, but I think his time here is winding down...

and blaming Larry Brown is just ridiculous..

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12/26/2005  11:17 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


marbury starting line up

jerome james
q rich
trevor ariza
a davis

and you ask why he has 5 assists and 5 TOs?
sorry marbury is FAR from the big problem. im not saying he is the golden boy, but he is much more consistent than any other guard and its not close.

James and Davis only had 13 mins each.

This is what you have to ask yourself: would Steph have been able to lead the comeback charge? Why are so many of our comeback charges with Steph on the bench? Why isn't Steph leading our comebacks? Why do units play harder with him under a towel?
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12/26/2005  11:23 PM

Posted by BRIGGS:


marbury starting line up

jerome james
q rich
trevor ariza
a davis

and you ask why he has 5 assists and 5 TOs?
sorry marbury is FAR from the big problem. im not saying he is the golden boy, but he is much more consistent than any other guard and its not close.

Briggs, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but you REALLY think that's the best starting lineup Brown could put out there? Or you think he might be trying to make a point to Mr. Marbury??
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12/26/2005  11:33 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BRIGGS:


marbury starting line up

jerome james
q rich
trevor ariza
a davis

and you ask why he has 5 assists and 5 TOs?
sorry marbury is FAR from the big problem. im not saying he is the golden boy, but he is much more consistent than any other guard and its not close.

Briggs, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but you REALLY think that's the best starting lineup Brown could put out there? Or you think he might be trying to make a point to Mr. Marbury??

Well other than Jamal not starting, (while many think 6th man is a good role for a combo guard like him), how many other options are there? Curry has been hurt, Fyre got 36 minutes. Brown liked AD's interior defense, and toughness toward Parker, which is crucial the way Steph has been playing defense.

What position specifically is so off? I mean if AD were getting 36 mins and Frye 13 it would be one thing, but those numbers were reversed.

You gotta remember, our defense SUCKS.


[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-26-2005 11:36 PM]
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12/26/2005  11:46 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by BRIGGS:


marbury starting line up

jerome james
q rich
trevor ariza
a davis

and you ask why he has 5 assists and 5 TOs?
sorry marbury is FAR from the big problem. im not saying he is the golden boy, but he is much more consistent than any other guard and its not close.

James and Davis only had 13 mins each.

This is what you have to ask yourself: would Steph have been able to lead the comeback charge? Why are so many of our comeback charges with Steph on the bench? Why isn't Steph leading our comebacks? Why do units play harder with him under a towel?

would Steph have been able to lead the comeback charge
good question

Why are so many of our comeback charges with Steph on the bench?
Very good question

Why isn't Steph leading our comebacks?
excellent question

Why do units play harder with him under a towel?
Damn good question..

And guess what blue, I think all of those questions will lead to basically one answer..... I am sure You know that answer ..



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12/26/2005  11:48 PM
I agree with those who are saying the problem area is defense. The Knicks really need to keep the opponent under 100 points to have any chance of winning.

No, they don't have a high-powered offense, but it is the poor defense that is really killing them.

If the Knicks could just play better defense, they'd have a better record.

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12/26/2005  11:52 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

I think Q's effort on vince was good in the 4th quarter. The NBA under stern is a joke now, this letting guys like vince pound the ball into the ground and go to the hoop with no intentions of making a basket but searching for a body to throw himself into is a damn joke. The parade to the line rewarding such play is sickening..

we sucked in the first half defensively,letting jackass clowns like collins get open shots, geez... LB needs to just get a fine or ejection and lobby for curry, he gets mugged and then called for a offensive foul, it is a joke, but He and frye were part of the resurgence, I like that lineup..

On a side note, frye made a nice power move on kristic(who is a statue at times) for a baket and the rebound dunk was nice also.. Ariza hit two nice jumpers tonight, all net and handled the ball a bit starting the offense, I see improvement there, for all the ariza detractors..



Q absolutely f sckd. I dont know how many people here actually know basketball. How much worse can Q-rich be for the Ny Knicks? What did he do positive tonight--something when the Nets were up 23? Right now, they'd be better of playing Q Woods his minutes and putting him in street clothes.

As far as fcking larry brown conspiracy theories and positive notes from the NY gang, its all crp. A 125 mm $ team down 20 AGAIn at home--down double digits in every game but 4. If nate doesnt hit 5 3s while NJ was sleeping wed have lost by 25. Somethimes even the saving face part may hide reality, may not be worth it. but Nate did play hard and he does get the only prop from me.

as far as some people blaming marbury, please clamp it, marbury is the only consistent knick. he may not be the right fit, but he is far from being the major problem.


I'm not a Marbs hater (nor backer) - but the guy has not played consistently. Tonight 5 assists 5 TOs - very little stopping of dribble penetration.

marbury starting line up

jerome james
q rich
trevor ariza
a davis

and you ask why he has 5 assists and 5 TOs?
sorry marbury is FAR from the big problem. im not saying he is the golden boy, but he is much more consistent than any other guard and its not close.


If you're saying he's more consistent then the rest I agree. But on this team that hardly makes you consistent. As far as who he plays with - he plays with everyone - he plays a lot more minutes with Frye that with AD for instance. Yep - none of them are playing very well - but Marbs is suppose to be an upper level player - on that basis he ain't been consistent.

If you compare him to other players on this team - he isn't a big problem. If you compare him to what you need out of your best player making 20 mil per (important because you can't have many 20 mil players on a team) - he's a huge problem. I'm not even sure he's in the top 50% of starting point guards - but he's suppose to be a piece of the puzzle that is already in place - something to build around.
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12/26/2005  11:55 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BRIGGS:


marbury starting line up

jerome james
q rich
trevor ariza
a davis

and you ask why he has 5 assists and 5 TOs?
sorry marbury is FAR from the big problem. im not saying he is the golden boy, but he is much more consistent than any other guard and its not close.

Briggs, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but you REALLY think that's the best starting lineup Brown could put out there? Or you think he might be trying to make a point to Mr. Marbury??



I think that Isiah Thomas hired Brown and brought in all of these players at astronomical costs. I think that someone should be hired ABOVE Isiah and Brown to immediately evaluate all aspects of basketball operations for the Ny Knick organization. Im very dissapointed in Isiah, he was the complete opposite of a wimp when he was a player, but he has truly melted down in NY. He should take his own speech about the NY and look in the mirror himself.
Isiah is a used car salesman and Larry is a con man and that is management in a nutshell. Dolan needs to get his head out of Steve Mills's arse, fire him first and then take his time and hire a NEW PRESIDENT of the Garden, a position that has full power of ownership.
Isiah has lost most of his credibility and Larry Brown has to be evalauted to see if this job is right for him at this point of his career. I thought it was stupid hiring Brown at 65 with health problems and this roster but that guy is certainly not walking away from 40 large. We need a top tier sports business professional in the Steve Mills position.
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12/26/2005  11:57 PM
AD and JJ set the tone in the first and third quarter...in a very bad way. I think Jackie Butler and Crawford and Frye are better options.

And where is Lee? You're telling me he wouldn't have been a better option on Cliff Robinson?
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12/27/2005  12:04 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I agree with those who are saying the problem area is defense. The Knicks really need to keep the opponent under 100 points to have any chance of winning.

No, they don't have a high-powered offense, but it is the poor defense that is really killing them.

If the Knicks could just play better defense, they'd have a better record.



again from my last post, we need to hire a man who can run this organization with a high IQ and an iron fist so it trickles down from top to bottom. there is no checks and balances system in place here, the inmates run the asylum. I would say that someone needs to evaluate Larry and Isiah and their approaches. Do you think if George Steinbrenner called up Joe Torre and suggested a move, it wouldnt get done? Isiah will not call out Larry, he has become a wimp. We need someone above him to call out both. Im not big on killing Larry because he did get stuck with a crp roster.
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Posted by crzymdups:

AD and JJ set the tone in the first and third quarter...in a very bad way. I think Jackie Butler and Crawford and Frye are better options.

And where is Lee? You're telling me he wouldn't have been a better option on Cliff Robinson?

well, the next time isiah says we must be patient for the rebulding process, make sure you inquire as to why david lee and butler dont play.

its a movie
the used car sales man and the con man played by isiah and larry they conned dolan and the fans.
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