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Knight
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8/15/2005  5:13 PM
Who else are we ever going to find who can bark like a dog and wave a towel! The sky is falling!
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8/15/2005  5:54 PM
THIS SUCKS THIS SUCKS THIS SUCKS I WANT JYD BACK ON THIS MOTHER FUCKING TEAM FUCK YOU ISIAH AND DOLAN FUCK YOU HARD
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8/15/2005  6:06 PM
Anyone who believes this was Isiah's call must have forgotten that Doh-lan is in the picture. Isiah was pushing for Allan to retire prior to this amnesty rule.

This amnesty rule was custom-mode for team like the Knicks with players like Houston.

That god-damned Allan Houston better be ready on opening friggin NIGHT. If he's not in 2002 condition by then, it's gonna get ugly.



[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 08-15-2005 7:53 PM]
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8/15/2005  6:12 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by islesfan:

JYD avgs 4.5 pts and 3.6 rebs last year and is guaranteed $14M the next 2 years so they amnesty him.

JJ avgs 4.9 pts and 3.0 rebs last year and the Knicks sign him for $30M over the next 5 years.

Only Isiah and the Knicks.

JYD never averaged 18 & 9 in the playoffs

JYD was never 7-1 either. But Islesfan, don't let an insignificant thing like logic get in your way when your whining about something.




[Edited by - killa4luv on 08-15-2005 6:12 PM]
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8/15/2005  6:15 PM
Posted by islesfan:

So much for expiring contracts being such great trade assets. Isiah's given up not 1 but 2 contracts totaling $14M+ for absolutely nothing.
It looks to me like Isiah wants to have about $30 mil in expiring contracts each year because Dolan is willing to increase the payroll by about that much each year. Anything more than that appears to be beyond even the Knicks' limit and thus there is no need for more than $30 mil annually in expiring contracts but there is a need for free roster spots (by waiving Shandon and JYD). I'm not sure I agree with that decision-making. I'd rather hang on to all the expiring contracts as potential trade assets because I think they'd be more valuable than the roster spots, but I don't think the sum of the team's decision over the past two years justifies the conclusion that the team does not value expiring contracts as trade assets.

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8/15/2005  7:37 PM
Wow!!

And I thought I had a hard day BEFORE i read this thread!

All right, skimmed.

Man everyday something happens to confirm all your suspicions that the world is indeed a crazy place.

Like the Knicks using the Allen Houston rule . . . NOT on Allen Houston.

That's like if the Celtics had used their Bird rights.. . NOT on Larry Bird.

OK, so we still don't know whether AH is retiring, if this was all Dolan's doing, Isiah thunk it up all on his own, whatever.

For me, it boils down to this - the glory of Isiah with this franchise will NEVER be about working the numbers. That is no way no how his thing.

Reminds me of when Bird became GM of Indy he said something along the lines of, "I don't understand the cap. And I don't plan to."

Isiah is not gonna resurrect this franchise through any shrewd maneuvering of the numbers. And chief Ennabler Dolan is gonna keep feeding the spending habit anyway.

But Isiah WILL continue to do it with the crazy switching out of old for new. Personally I recognize all that JYD brings to the plate, but I'm not crying at all about his departure. Nor would I have cried about Malik's or Mo's. Or Penny's, Allan's or Shandon's contract.

Isiah's value is in his ballsiness. His aggressive instincts. The fact that he's gonna throw Nate Freakin' Robinson out there for us. Along with all the other young and FAST legs that he replaced the tired old legs with. A year and a half later and we're looking at Reezy, Marbury, Q, Craw, Frye, Lee, Nate, etc. instead of what Isiah inherited???? AND they're going to be coached by arguably the best coach in the league?????

THAT'S what I'm continuing to celebrate. And eveybody who's talking about the need to work the cap smartly and maximize flexibility is correct. But that's not Isiah's strength at all IMO. And that is not what's going to be open to be celebrated while he's here.

Will it work? We shall see. The one thing I know is that it's light years ahead of where we were when he came on the scene. Again IMO.

So I'm still drinking off the K-Aid - the loss of JYD doesn't affect that at all. The decision to not use the Houston rule ON Houston doesn't either. Isiah's potential legacy for this franchise will NEVER be about working the numbers. He's gonna do it with balls-out dealing for young talent.
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8/15/2005  7:41 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

if you dont trade for Mo T and just release Moochie and Baker this summer the Knicks would save the $9mm they owe skinny Mo next year

an still have a #2

looks like all of us have our panties in a bunch. usually happens to some when a knicks transaction happens, and for the others, well they're just cross dressers.

MARV WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?! we need counseling.


marv, you have calmed the nervous and stormy soul of this message board.

you see killa and fish, i told you he wasn't a quack.
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8/15/2005  7:50 PM
Amen Marv! Keep sipping that koolaid!
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8/15/2005  8:07 PM
Hooray for Marv... we've anxiously been awaiting your arrival today/tonite haha.
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8/15/2005  8:43 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

JYD is a PF right? This means that he could potentially take away time from Frye and Lee. NY has a glut at PF, so they waived the guy that helps them the least. Rose does exactly what JYD does but is a winner. Even with this cut NY still has too many PF's. I expect a deal in addition to this cut. Cuttin Houston was too much of a risk that he would come back and win a ring with another team. For Dolan that matters even though the Knicks are not in that realm yet.

HOuston if healthy can be a great weapon for this team. Ny could really spread the Defenses out with Q and H20 and let Frye, James and Sweetney work down low one on one.

Thanks, JYD, job well done. Knick fans always will always appreciate your hustle.



No. JYD plays 0-5mins per game. The guy who's going to take away sweetney, frye & lee's minutes is Malik Rose. At least Taylor is our most consistent scorer inside. Waiving JYD and not Rose will hurt the developement of the younger players but this is the Knicks why would anyone expect anything more!


Exactly, JYD never usually played more than 10 minutes anyway, and when he did it was a spark plug. Who on the team now is that player?
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8/15/2005  8:46 PM
...all together now:

... Nate!

We'll clearly have his shot to fill that role now.
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8/15/2005  9:10 PM
Posted by matt:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

JYD is a PF right? This means that he could potentially take away time from Frye and Lee. NY has a glut at PF, so they waived the guy that helps them the least. Rose does exactly what JYD does but is a winner. Even with this cut NY still has too many PF's. I expect a deal in addition to this cut. Cuttin Houston was too much of a risk that he would come back and win a ring with another team. For Dolan that matters even though the Knicks are not in that realm yet.

HOuston if healthy can be a great weapon for this team. Ny could really spread the Defenses out with Q and H20 and let Frye, James and Sweetney work down low one on one.

Thanks, JYD, job well done. Knick fans always will always appreciate your hustle.



No. JYD plays 0-5mins per game. The guy who's going to take away sweetney, frye & lee's minutes is Malik Rose. At least Taylor is our most consistent scorer inside. Waiving JYD and not Rose will hurt the developement of the younger players but this is the Knicks why would anyone expect anything more!


Exactly, JYD never usually played more than 10 minutes anyway, and when he did it was a spark plug. Who on the team now is that player?
Lee. Ariza. Frye. Nate Rob?
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8/15/2005  9:13 PM
Props to Max Kellerman for having the guts to tell it like it is about Dolan.
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8/15/2005  9:34 PM
what did he say?
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8/15/2005  9:42 PM
I know I am late for this whole JYD thing but I 100% agree with rvh. Where there better options to get rid of? Yes. is this the end all be all of the franchise like alot of guys are making it out to be? Not in the least.
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8/15/2005  10:05 PM
Posted by matt:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

JYD is a PF right? This means that he could potentially take away time from Frye and Lee. NY has a glut at PF, so they waived the guy that helps them the least. Rose does exactly what JYD does but is a winner. Even with this cut NY still has too many PF's. I expect a deal in addition to this cut. Cuttin Houston was too much of a risk that he would come back and win a ring with another team. For Dolan that matters even though the Knicks are not in that realm yet.

HOuston if healthy can be a great weapon for this team. Ny could really spread the Defenses out with Q and H20 and let Frye, James and Sweetney work down low one on one.

Thanks, JYD, job well done. Knick fans always will always appreciate your hustle.



No. JYD plays 0-5mins per game. The guy who's going to take away sweetney, frye & lee's minutes is Malik Rose. At least Taylor is our most consistent scorer inside. Waiving JYD and not Rose will hurt the developement of the younger players but this is the Knicks why would anyone expect anything more!


Exactly, JYD never usually played more than 10 minutes anyway, and when he did it was a spark plug. Who on the team now is that player?
At SF, the sparks will probably be Ariza and Lee. Nate will be a nice spark at PG. That's already three good sparks off the bench. Most teams don't have that.
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8/15/2005  10:11 PM
btw, is it now called the jyd rule?
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8/15/2005  10:11 PM
one of the most humorous back and forths in memory...thanks mart and andrew...if it wasn't for this board, I'd have nothing to do...sim, isles, etc. Good jabber today. Peace.
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8/15/2005  10:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

btw, is it now called the jyd rule?

No, It's called the Shamnesty (or Damnesty- your pick) Rule now.


[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 08-15-2005 10:14 PM]
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8/15/2005  10:17 PM
I liked JYD like everyone but don't see how he was going to get minutes behind Rose and if they wanted Lee to see time. Taylor brings something different to the equation with a low post game.
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