CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:LIn got more Mo Morey Money and Morey took us to school because of our cap and we could not match.

Thats how the system works. Lin had to get an offer for us to match, and we could have, but if you look at the tax implications in year three even for a dick like Dolan, it was just not logical to match it.

Whats funny is if Melo was a Net he'd be hated on. IN a KNick uniform the Moobyistic mystique so impires the starphuch to elevate enven a false prophet into the exaggerated savior status that Melo has evolved into!

Gentle man, your team for better or worse.

Thousands of fans chanting "MVP-MVP-MVP" could not possiblty be wrong? Can they?

But wait, we are still in second place!

Reality was trying to get top four seed and at least finish ahead of BKN!

And with the 2016 pick the Denver Nuggests exercise their right to swap with the NYK and with the X pick they select..............

I forgot, is it lottery protected?

Agree. Great post.

Actually if he would have made Lin a priority and held off on all the other quick to rush financial decisions(like signing Novak/Kidd/Prigs/Trading for Camby) it wouldn't have been an issue but thanks to finally admitting Dolan had major money concerns.

Funny how Kidd/Camby/Novak/Brewer/Rasheed are burning a much more significant hole into his bank account now(Taxes included) than Lin ever could.

Case in point we are on the books for $80mil in salary which is about $9mil over the cap. This year the Tax is still dollar for dollar, that's about $18mil total in Tax dollars to be paid back to all other teams in the league. Since Brewer fell to the bottom half of our roster and out of rotation with his poor play and I'll swap Camby and Sheed in terms of rotation importance...

Here's how it would break down most likely to come off the bench at this point if remained

Prigs $450k
Cope $450k
Thomas $1.3mil
Brewer $1.1mil
Camby $4mil
White $850k
Balkman $1.6mil

This pretty much represents the $9mil over the Tax in salary. So dollar for dollar Tax Consideration Brewer would have been on the books for a total of $2.2mil this season.

The team would have had 2yrs to address the salary cap before Lin's poison pill hit. You know similar to what Memphis/Denver/OKC did with addressing Gay/Harden/Nene after receiving their massive deals unloading salary if concerned with major Tax implications. Not saying Lin should have been unloaded if resigned by us but surely we could dispose of players like Novak/Kidd/Camby if Lin proved worthy with his play...... but when you're shortsighted and not innovative in planning you make irrational decisions such as letting a 23yr old point guard go for NADA! Dolan only wants to get state of the art when players trash talk his binkie on the court....

What he did was.....

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB DUMB DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBB!!!!!!!!

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:LIn got more Mo Morey Money and Morey took us to school because of our cap and we could not match.

Thats how the system works. Lin had to get an offer for us to match, and we could have, but if you look at the tax implications in year three even for a dick like Dolan, it was just not logical to match it.

Whats funny is if Melo was a Net he'd be hated on. IN a KNick uniform the Moobyistic mystique so impires the starphuch to elevate enven a false prophet into the exaggerated savior status that Melo has evolved into!

Gentle man, your team for better or worse.

Thousands of fans chanting "MVP-MVP-MVP" could not possiblty be wrong? Can they?

But wait, we are still in second place!

Reality was trying to get top four seed and at least finish ahead of BKN!

And with the 2016 pick the Denver Nuggests exercise their right to swap with the NYK and with the X pick they select..............

I forgot, is it lottery protected?

Agree. Great post.

Actually if he would have made Lin a priority and held off on all the other quick to rush financial decisions(like signing Novak/Kidd/Prigs/Trading for Camby) it wouldn't have been an issue but thanks to finally admitting Dolan had major money concerns.

Funny how Kidd/Camby/Novak/Brewer/Rasheed are burning a much more significant hole into his bank account now(Taxes included) than Lin ever could.

Case in point we are on the books for $80mil in salary which is about $9mil over the cap. This year the Tax is still dollar for dollar, that's about $18mil total in Tax dollars to be paid back to all other teams in the league. Since Brewer fell to the bottom half of our roster and out of rotation with his poor play and I'll swap Camby and Sheed in terms of rotation importance...

Here's how it would break down most likely to come off the bench at this point if remained

Prigs $450k
Cope $450k
Thomas $1.3mil
Brewer $1.1mil
Camby $4mil
White $850k
Balkman $1.6mil

This pretty much represents the $9mil over the Tax in salary. So dollar for dollar Tax Consideration Brewer would have been on the books for a total of $2.2mil this season.

The team would have had 2yrs to address the salary cap before Lin's poison pill hit. You know similar to what Memphis/Denver/OKC did with addressing Gay/Harden/Nene after receiving their massive deals unloading salary if concerned with major Tax implications. Not saying Lin should have been unloaded if resigned by us but surely we could dispose of players like Novak/Kidd/Camby if Lin proved worthy with his play...... but when you're shortsighted and not innovative in planning you make irrational decisions such as letting a 23yr old point guard go for NADA! Dolan only wants to get state of the art when players trash talk his binkie on the court....

What he did was.....

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB DUMB DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBB!!!!!!!!

I love that you posted dumb repeatedly at the end of your post because that is what it was. The only guy on the books that you mention for year three when Lin has the poison pill year is Kidd. Camby is guaranteed a minuscule amount to allow a third year so that a sign and trade could be done. No one else that you listed is under contract in lin's poison pill year. There is a dumb bunny lurking but it isn't glen grunwald. FYI, if you are going to post about cap space my suggestion for the future is not to mention guys on rookie one year free agent minimums when you are trying to make a point because you sound ...

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:LIn got more Mo Morey Money and Morey took us to school because of our cap and we could not match.

Thats how the system works. Lin had to get an offer for us to match, and we could have, but if you look at the tax implications in year three even for a dick like Dolan, it was just not logical to match it.

Whats funny is if Melo was a Net he'd be hated on. IN a KNick uniform the Moobyistic mystique so impires the starphuch to elevate enven a false prophet into the exaggerated savior status that Melo has evolved into!

Gentle man, your team for better or worse.

Thousands of fans chanting "MVP-MVP-MVP" could not possiblty be wrong? Can they?

But wait, we are still in second place!

Reality was trying to get top four seed and at least finish ahead of BKN!

And with the 2016 pick the Denver Nuggests exercise their right to swap with the NYK and with the X pick they select..............

I forgot, is it lottery protected?

Agree. Great post.

Actually if he would have made Lin a priority and held off on all the other quick to rush financial decisions(like signing Novak/Kidd/Prigs/Trading for Camby) it wouldn't have been an issue but thanks to finally admitting Dolan had major money concerns.

Funny how Kidd/Camby/Novak/Brewer/Rasheed are burning a much more significant hole into his bank account now(Taxes included) than Lin ever could.

Case in point we are on the books for $80mil in salary which is about $9mil over the cap. This year the Tax is still dollar for dollar, that's about $18mil total in Tax dollars to be paid back to all other teams in the league. Since Brewer fell to the bottom half of our roster and out of rotation with his poor play and I'll swap Camby and Sheed in terms of rotation importance...

Here's how it would break down most likely to come off the bench at this point if remained

Prigs $450k
Cope $450k
Thomas $1.3mil
Brewer $1.1mil
Camby $4mil
White $850k
Balkman $1.6mil

This pretty much represents the $9mil over the Tax in salary. So dollar for dollar Tax Consideration Brewer would have been on the books for a total of $2.2mil this season.

The team would have had 2yrs to address the salary cap before Lin's poison pill hit. You know similar to what Memphis/Denver/OKC did with addressing Gay/Harden/Nene after receiving their massive deals unloading salary if concerned with major Tax implications. Not saying Lin should have been unloaded if resigned by us but surely we could dispose of players like Novak/Kidd/Camby if Lin proved worthy with his play...... but when you're shortsighted and not innovative in planning you make irrational decisions such as letting a 23yr old point guard go for NADA! Dolan only wants to get state of the art when players trash talk his binkie on the court....

What he did was.....

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB DUMB DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBB!!!!!!!!

I love that you posted dumb repeatedly at the end of your post because that is what it was. The only guy on the books that you mention for year three when Lin has the poison pill year is Kidd. Camby is guaranteed a minuscule amount to allow a third year so that a sign and trade could be done. No one else that you listed is under contract in lin's poison pill year. There is a dumb bunny lurking but it isn't glen grunwald. FYI, if you are going to post about cap space my suggestion for the future is not to mention guys on rookie one year free agent minimums when you are trying to make a point because you sound ...

Apparently you're not familiar with the CBA and how the Tax works.....

I guess we'll keep this mind when it's time to pay Earl this summer along with the 2013 1st rounder salary slot hit which will push us well pas $80mil, that's without using any of our exception slots such as Tax MLE/VME/LLE we'll be repeat Tax offenders...the incrementals will be a bish!!!!

You're basically tipping your hand to the rationale we'll do nothing significant in any way with the roster besides it's natural progression...which means no improvement.

If you cop to saying we'll make the necessary trades and/or signings for flexibility with possibility for improvement then

This gets right back to what I said in the previous post....you shed salary if necessary in the interim prior to poison pill year

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:LIn got more Mo Morey Money and Morey took us to school because of our cap and we could not match.

Thats how the system works. Lin had to get an offer for us to match, and we could have, but if you look at the tax implications in year three even for a dick like Dolan, it was just not logical to match it.

Whats funny is if Melo was a Net he'd be hated on. IN a KNick uniform the Moobyistic mystique so impires the starphuch to elevate enven a false prophet into the exaggerated savior status that Melo has evolved into!

Gentle man, your team for better or worse.

Thousands of fans chanting "MVP-MVP-MVP" could not possiblty be wrong? Can they?

But wait, we are still in second place!

Reality was trying to get top four seed and at least finish ahead of BKN!

And with the 2016 pick the Denver Nuggests exercise their right to swap with the NYK and with the X pick they select..............

I forgot, is it lottery protected?

Agree. Great post.

Actually if he would have made Lin a priority and held off on all the other quick to rush financial decisions(like signing Novak/Kidd/Prigs/Trading for Camby) it wouldn't have been an issue but thanks to finally admitting Dolan had major money concerns.

Funny how Kidd/Camby/Novak/Brewer/Rasheed are burning a much more significant hole into his bank account now(Taxes included) than Lin ever could.

Case in point we are on the books for $80mil in salary which is about $9mil over the cap. This year the Tax is still dollar for dollar, that's about $18mil total in Tax dollars to be paid back to all other teams in the league. Since Brewer fell to the bottom half of our roster and out of rotation with his poor play and I'll swap Camby and Sheed in terms of rotation importance...

Here's how it would break down most likely to come off the bench at this point if remained

Prigs $450k
Cope $450k
Thomas $1.3mil
Brewer $1.1mil
Camby $4mil
White $850k
Balkman $1.6mil

This pretty much represents the $9mil over the Tax in salary. So dollar for dollar Tax Consideration Brewer would have been on the books for a total of $2.2mil this season.

The team would have had 2yrs to address the salary cap before Lin's poison pill hit. You know similar to what Memphis/Denver/OKC did with addressing Gay/Harden/Nene after receiving their massive deals unloading salary if concerned with major Tax implications. Not saying Lin should have been unloaded if resigned by us but surely we could dispose of players like Novak/Kidd/Camby if Lin proved worthy with his play...... but when you're shortsighted and not innovative in planning you make irrational decisions such as letting a 23yr old point guard go for NADA! Dolan only wants to get state of the art when players trash talk his binkie on the court....

What he did was.....

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB DUMB DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBB!!!!!!!!

I love that you posted dumb repeatedly at the end of your post because that is what it was. The only guy on the books that you mention for year three when Lin has the poison pill year is Kidd. Camby is guaranteed a minuscule amount to allow a third year so that a sign and trade could be done. No one else that you listed is under contract in lin's poison pill year. There is a dumb bunny lurking but it isn't glen grunwald. FYI, if you are going to post about cap space my suggestion for the future is not to mention guys on rookie one year free agent minimums when you are trying to make a point because you sound ...

Apparently you're not familiar with the CBA and how the Tax works.....

I guess we'll keep this mind when it's time to pay Earl this summer along with the 2013 1st rounder salary slot hit which will push us well pas $80mil, that's without using any of our exception slots such as Tax MLE/VME/LLE we'll be repeat Tax offenders...the incrementals will be a bish!!!!

You're basically tipping your hand to the rationale we'll do nothing significant in any way with the roster besides it's natural progression...which means no improvement.

If you cop to saying we'll make the necessary trades and/or signings for flexibility with possibility for improvement then

This gets right back to what I said in the previous post....you shed salary if necessary in the interim prior to poison pill year

gunsnewing wrote:Thats why I don't understand why others laughed when I said Houston is a player away from making serious noise. Much more than Denver & GS

I don't remember you saying that guns, not saying you didn't, but I sure wouldn't laugh.. this is why i said early I would be following both Denver and Houston.. both have tremendous upsides.... Houston may have the best player of both teams, but Denver has a nice group of young talented players.. I have watched every game of both teams, and they are fun to watch.. I was a big morey supporter and got hated on every single knick site, as if liking morey meant hating the knicks.. go figure...

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Lin even had his 1st technical foul last night.

Here is his tweet after the game. Lin has a great sense of humor.

Jeremy Lin ✔ @JLin7
Got my first ever technical last night and lost $2000...makes me angry when i realize thats 2000 mcchickens or 4000 jack in the box tacos

he is a good kid man... hate we let him go..

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:LIn got more Mo Morey Money and Morey took us to school because of our cap and we could not match.

Thats how the system works. Lin had to get an offer for us to match, and we could have, but if you look at the tax implications in year three even for a dick like Dolan, it was just not logical to match it.

Whats funny is if Melo was a Net he'd be hated on. IN a KNick uniform the Moobyistic mystique so impires the starphuch to elevate enven a false prophet into the exaggerated savior status that Melo has evolved into!

Gentle man, your team for better or worse.

Thousands of fans chanting "MVP-MVP-MVP" could not possiblty be wrong? Can they?

But wait, we are still in second place!

Reality was trying to get top four seed and at least finish ahead of BKN!

And with the 2016 pick the Denver Nuggests exercise their right to swap with the NYK and with the X pick they select..............

I forgot, is it lottery protected?

Agree. Great post.

Actually if he would have made Lin a priority and held off on all the other quick to rush financial decisions(like signing Novak/Kidd/Prigs/Trading for Camby) it wouldn't have been an issue but thanks to finally admitting Dolan had major money concerns.

Funny how Kidd/Camby/Novak/Brewer/Rasheed are burning a much more significant hole into his bank account now(Taxes included) than Lin ever could.

Case in point we are on the books for $80mil in salary which is about $9mil over the cap. This year the Tax is still dollar for dollar, that's about $18mil total in Tax dollars to be paid back to all other teams in the league. Since Brewer fell to the bottom half of our roster and out of rotation with his poor play and I'll swap Camby and Sheed in terms of rotation importance...

Here's how it would break down most likely to come off the bench at this point if remained

Prigs $450k
Cope $450k
Thomas $1.3mil
Brewer $1.1mil
Camby $4mil
White $850k
Balkman $1.6mil

This pretty much represents the $9mil over the Tax in salary. So dollar for dollar Tax Consideration Brewer would have been on the books for a total of $2.2mil this season.

The team would have had 2yrs to address the salary cap before Lin's poison pill hit. You know similar to what Memphis/Denver/OKC did with addressing Gay/Harden/Nene after receiving their massive deals unloading salary if concerned with major Tax implications. Not saying Lin should have been unloaded if resigned by us but surely we could dispose of players like Novak/Kidd/Camby if Lin proved worthy with his play...... but when you're shortsighted and not innovative in planning you make irrational decisions such as letting a 23yr old point guard go for NADA! Dolan only wants to get state of the art when players trash talk his binkie on the court....

What he did was.....

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB

DUMB

DA DUMB DUMB DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBB!!!!!!!!

I love that you posted dumb repeatedly at the end of your post because that is what it was. The only guy on the books that you mention for year three when Lin has the poison pill year is Kidd. Camby is guaranteed a minuscule amount to allow a third year so that a sign and trade could be done. No one else that you listed is under contract in lin's poison pill year. There is a dumb bunny lurking but it isn't glen grunwald. FYI, if you are going to post about cap space my suggestion for the future is not to mention guys on rookie one year free agent minimums when you are trying to make a point because you sound ...

Apparently you're not familiar with the CBA and how the Tax works.....

I guess we'll keep this mind when it's time to pay Earl this summer along with the 2013 1st rounder salary slot hit which will push us well pas $80mil, that's without using any of our exception slots such as Tax MLE/VME/LLE we'll be repeat Tax offenders...the incrementals will be a bish!!!!

You're basically tipping your hand to the rationale we'll do nothing significant in any way with the roster besides it's natural progression...which means no improvement.

If you cop to saying we'll make the necessary trades and/or signings for flexibility with possibility for improvement then

This gets right back to what I said in the previous post....you shed salary if necessary in the interim prior to poison pill year

The cba is written so that teams cannot stockpile stars like the heat did. That is why Boucher is writing about the heat needing to get rid of one of their stars before the repeator penalty kicks I in year 3. The Knicks as constructed cant improve their roster significantly if it means taking on large contracts. Teams are already finding it hard to move guys with the new cba so to suggest that the Knicks could doesn't make a lot of sense. They would need to move a big contract and other than melo, the guys with big contracts aren't good enough to move. It is all about year three when the repeaters penalty kicks in. That is why the Knicks will probably continue to bring in guys on 1 yr vet minimums or older guys on the rookie free agent minimum. Morey knew what he was doing when he structured lin's contract with a balloon payment in year 3. My guess is Lin and his new agent knew as well.

No Crush we could move Novak/Kidd and the 2013 pick or Shumpert, if necessary for someone without salary in 2014/2015. Our team is structured just like it was back in the day somewhat

We have 2 Max Cats and 1 near Max Cat, even 4-5yrs ago we didn't have a higher ratio then this nor did too many other team. WTH are you talking about. The salary cap has always been around $50-60mil the past 7-10yrs....you can't fit 4 or more Max cats into that cap situation. It may seem like we had more back in the day but we didn't although we had other players making more than they should have been like Crawford and Curry playing with a Max Marbury but the total salary figure from the Top players came to be about the same back then to now...The Heat were the first I believe to do a true 3 Max Cat formula otherwise it was never truly in the cards old NBA new NBA. Now of course you're probably one of those fans who were whacking it thinking we should emulate them and ran with the Mthery the CP3 Champainge toasting and/or Dwight Howard Super Man save the day would become a reality well that's your own fault.

All top teams have a similar situation

$10 mil or more

Heat/Lebron/Wade/Bosh
OKC/Westbrook/Durant/Ibaka/Martin
Spurs/Dunca/Parker/Ginobli
Clippers/Paul/Blake/Jordan
Boston/Garnett/Pierce/Rondo
Bulls/Rose/Boozer/Noah/Deng(keep in mind this is the cheap owner)
Nets/Deron/Joe/Brook/Wallace(keep in mind this is one of the wealthiest owners)
Pacers/Granger/Hibbert/West
Lakers/Kobe/Gasol/Howard(assuming they go on a winning streak)
GSW/Lee/Bogut/Jefferson
Knicks/Tyson/Amar'e/Melo
Denver/Iggy/Gallo/Mcgee

It's essentially 3 guys making close to max money not 4 and in some cases only 1 or 2 guys are making Max. That's how it's always been even prior to the new CBA. The only team I didn't list was Memphis and it had more to do with recent ownership taking over paying high salary in a small market and the Hawks because it appears they will tear down and rebuild soon. Lin was not Max until the 3rd yr, therefore we had enough time to manage the roster to make room for his salary increase especially when you factor his poison pill year coincides with Tyson/Melo's/Amar'e all expiring contracts and with the new CBA in place those have value in the league correct...you know for teams looking to avoid paying Taxes right?

They key is to not go too Top Heavy with players who don't deserve absolute Max and compound those mistakes by adding in other overpaid salary slots.