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earthmansurfer
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11/1/2016  9:52 AM
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Expect more of this:

Isn't that a chart of strong enthusiasm voters that you are trying to pass as all voters...Politicians lie all day about their platform..We don't need intentional misdirection to further your point...

What are you the judge and jury here? lol
Amongst other polls coming out now, Hillary's support is really coming down (as it should).

I can't believe she is still staying in the race. If Trump had people being fired and resigning (like Hillary), was being fed the debate questions, if his assistants were married to pedophiles, etc. we all know it would affect him more.

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11/1/2016  9:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  9:59 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.

What else is he going to say. If he said otherwise you would accuse HIM of rigging the election too, right?

The election is rigged and Trump is actually holding his own because Hillary is so bad. If anyone else from the democratic side probably wipes the floor with Trump. I wish democrates would realize how Hillary got her nomination for president she was fed questions. A vast media conspiracy to elevate her over her counterparts on the democratic side. While Trump spoke lewdly she actually has withheld evidence from the people and government. She committed perjury and the cover up is on the scale of someone who is in organized crime.

I really don't care who you vote or don't I just can't stand it when people won't open their eyes and see it for what it is. You can't keep defending the indefensible. No democrate in their honest mind can defend Hillary the corruption is a 800 pound gorilla and you guys are ignoring it.

Have you bothered to read the Newsweek article that came out yesterday. Trump did the EXACT SAME THING. Destroyed documents and deleted emails during legal proceedings. Here is the link if you're interested (though I suspect you won't look at it or claim Newsweek is another mainstream media outlet set up to destroy Trump and anything they print is a lie in spite of documentation): http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html

You are comparing a billionaire dealing with someone doing their corruption on a national level. Trumps dealings didn't effect me but what Hillary does and did effects everyone. I told in the very beginning that these two were clowns I crap for it I don't like both of them. But what I found out about our government is the level of corruption that is on third world level. Our government was suppose to have a checks and balance system. But the way around the corruption is by everyone being on the same page and being in cahoots with each other. Everybody gets wealthy in that select club take bribes from interst groups.

We need a reset.

How would Hillary's corruption effect you? Honestly I would love to hear you or anyone elaborate on that. How about the minorities discriminated against in Trump's apartments? How about the people that Trump stiffed that worked on his sites when he declared bankruptcy 5+ times? Elaborate... please.

That's 6 times...Also new article out overnight in the NYTImes saying he forced creditors to forgive 100s of millions of dollars in loans which he didn't declare on his taxes...So more bankruptcy without the declaration..I remember him saying early in his presidential campaign that he would do the say thing in our Treasury markets that countries all around the world participate...He would force them to take losses or get paid nothing..
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11/1/2016  9:57 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Expect more of this:

Isn't that a chart of strong enthusiasm voters that you are trying to pass as all voters...Politicians lie all day about their platform..We don't need intentional misdirection to further your point...

What are you the judge and jury here? lol
Amongst other polls coming out now, Hillary's support is really coming down (as it should).

I can't believe she is still staying in the race. If Trump had people being fired and resigning (like Hillary), was being fed the debate questions, if his assistants were married to pedophiles, etc. we all know it would affect him more.

We are all Knick fans here..We don't need to slides to be greased any further...

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11/1/2016  10:01 AM
Here is how its going down.
Republicans are planning on tying up Hillary when she is president and making her life miserable. Its not about "Governing", its about the republican agenda.
This is where Trump gets it right, that bipartisan politics is bad for EVERYONE, and if the GOP keeps both houses then nothing gets done.

But, Obama will Pardon Hillary on the E-mails. Basically no body got hurt with her using a private server.and it makes no sense for a former high level of the state department to keep having to defend herself because NOTHING OF IMPORTANCE HAPPEND!!!
She Lied about the E-mails. Nobody cares about her former secretary of states because they were not running for office.

Obama will Pardon Hillary because then everyone will have to focus on actually get down to the business of governing instead of the business of obstructing her.
Some of you will go nuts over this. Get over it, its actually good for the country.

BTW, those fake wikileaks, your getting played.

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11/1/2016  10:04 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Expect more of this:

Isn't that a chart of strong enthusiasm voters that you are trying to pass as all voters...Politicians lie all day about their platform..We don't need intentional misdirection to further your point...

What are you the judge and jury here? lol
Amongst other polls coming out now, Hillary's support is really coming down (as it should).

I can't believe she is still staying in the race. If Trump had people being fired and resigning (like Hillary), was being fed the debate questions, if his assistants were married to pedophiles, etc. we all know it would affect him more.

Well if he didnt boast about groping unwilling women, cheat in all his businesses, have pending trials next month for raping a child and racketeering, evade taxes and lie 78% of the time he opens his mouth I agree... he would be kicking HRC's butt every which way. Considering the candidate she is up against I would say the issues dogging HRC are affecting her plenty.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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11/1/2016  10:05 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.

What else is he going to say. If he said otherwise you would accuse HIM of rigging the election too, right?

The election is rigged and Trump is actually holding his own because Hillary is so bad. If anyone else from the democratic side probably wipes the floor with Trump. I wish democrates would realize how Hillary got her nomination for president she was fed questions. A vast media conspiracy to elevate her over her counterparts on the democratic side. While Trump spoke lewdly she actually has withheld evidence from the people and government. She committed perjury and the cover up is on the scale of someone who is in organized crime.

I really don't care who you vote or don't I just can't stand it when people won't open their eyes and see it for what it is. You can't keep defending the indefensible. No democrate in their honest mind can defend Hillary the corruption is a 800 pound gorilla and you guys are ignoring it.

Have you bothered to read the Newsweek article that came out yesterday. Trump did the EXACT SAME THING. Destroyed documents and deleted emails during legal proceedings. Here is the link if you're interested (though I suspect you won't look at it or claim Newsweek is another mainstream media outlet set up to destroy Trump and anything they print is a lie in spite of documentation): http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html

You are comparing a billionaire dealing with someone doing their corruption on a national level. Trumps dealings didn't effect me but what Hillary does and did effects everyone. I told in the very beginning that these two were clowns I crap for it I don't like both of them. But what I found out about our government is the level of corruption that is on third world level. Our government was suppose to have a checks and balance system. But the way around the corruption is by everyone being on the same page and being in cahoots with each other. Everybody gets wealthy in that select club take bribes from interst groups.

We need a reset.

How would Hillary's corruption effect you? Honestly I would love to hear you or anyone elaborate on that. How about the minorities discriminated against in Trump's apartments? How about the people that Trump stiffed that worked on his sites when he declared bankruptcy 5+ times? Elaborate... please.

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11/1/2016  10:08 AM
There is no valid evidence that the Wikileaks dumps are fake.
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11/1/2016  10:11 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:There is no valid evidence that the Wikileaks dumps are fake.

There are no evidence that it's all true...

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11/1/2016  10:16 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.

What else is he going to say. If he said otherwise you would accuse HIM of rigging the election too, right?

The election is rigged and Trump is actually holding his own because Hillary is so bad. If anyone else from the democratic side probably wipes the floor with Trump. I wish democrates would realize how Hillary got her nomination for president she was fed questions. A vast media conspiracy to elevate her over her counterparts on the democratic side. While Trump spoke lewdly she actually has withheld evidence from the people and government. She committed perjury and the cover up is on the scale of someone who is in organized crime.

I really don't care who you vote or don't I just can't stand it when people won't open their eyes and see it for what it is. You can't keep defending the indefensible. No democrate in their honest mind can defend Hillary the corruption is a 800 pound gorilla and you guys are ignoring it.

Have you bothered to read the Newsweek article that came out yesterday. Trump did the EXACT SAME THING. Destroyed documents and deleted emails during legal proceedings. Here is the link if you're interested (though I suspect you won't look at it or claim Newsweek is another mainstream media outlet set up to destroy Trump and anything they print is a lie in spite of documentation): http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html

You are comparing a billionaire dealing with someone doing their corruption on a national level. Trumps dealings didn't effect me but what Hillary does and did effects everyone. I told in the very beginning that these two were clowns I crap for it I don't like both of them. But what I found out about our government is the level of corruption that is on third world level. Our government was suppose to have a checks and balance system. But the way around the corruption is by everyone being on the same page and being in cahoots with each other. Everybody gets wealthy in that select club take bribes from interst groups.

We need a reset.

How would Hillary's corruption effect you? Honestly I would love to hear you or anyone elaborate on that. How about the minorities discriminated against in Trump's apartments? How about the people that Trump stiffed that worked on his sites when he declared bankruptcy 5+ times? Elaborate... please.


Back at ya.

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11/1/2016  10:18 AM
holfresh wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:There is no valid evidence that the Wikileaks dumps are fake.

There are no evidence that it's all true...

Do you realize how fast people mentioned in those emails would come forward if they had never sent/received them? MSM would be leading the assault.
I think that ship has sailed.

Can really use the game tonight, lol.

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11/1/2016  10:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  10:31 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:There is no valid evidence that the Wikileaks dumps are fake.

There are no evidence that it's all true...

Do you realize how fast people mentioned in those emails would come forward if they had never sent/received them? MSM would be leading the assault.
I think that ship has sailed.

Can really use the game tonight, lol.


Donna Brazile said it wasn't true but no one will listen..But I do believe she gave the question to Hillary just like I believe Trump got questions from Fox News..This isn't new material, I keep bringing up McCain getting the same treatment, seeing Obama answer questions before he did in 2008 but no one cared then...How about the Matt Lauer interview, I have no doubt Trump was listing to Hillary's questions first...No doubt in my mind...If Trump was sequestered, they would have said it...But looking forward to the game to be honest
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11/1/2016  10:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  10:53 AM
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:Not sure why such noise and scare.
We have 2 candidates absolutely incapable of doing anything.
Idiocracy in action...
You guys seriously need to watch the movie again.
The mountain gave birth to a couple of rats...
Now they will dig a hole for themselves and eat cheese from our plate.
Not a big deal. I more interested in self-driving electric cars and Mars colonization.

You are wrong about them being absolutely incapable of doing anything..Younwatch too many movies..

The documentary we are watching now is the only one you need to see.
This is mindbogglingly how nation of 300+ million cannot produce one candidate to be a leader who is not a disgusting corrupted snake.
Even before being elected they collectively represent who we are.
And we are a silly and ignorant bunch.
At least those who participates in "political process".
Time to sidetrack this clown show and get back to basketball.

You can adapt a cynical point of view and find a reason not to care about who is running..There are issues on the ballot which effects many people in their every day lives..It's easy to feel helpless and I get it..But if the people lay down and don't voice an opinion, the Washingtonians have exactly where they want us...

Governance should be a privilege not the source of supper-income.
We promoted political bureaucracy into high paid profession.
And this in my view is the biggest flow of our governance system.
Leading the nation should be a privilege of the best and should not pay even a $ per year.
It became so lucrative on every level that corruption became rampant and a norm which is widely accepted as the nature of the beast.
It is not about who deserves it or who can have the job done but about who is still acceptable after all crimes he/she committed.
Sad... Sad... Sad...

But the last honest guy who ran, who adapted those ideals, you hated him..You hated Obama...Obama is equally hated by Israel, the Middle East, Europe(for not fighting their war in Syria), Republicans and some Democrats..That only means he must be working for the American people...

People of the world are associating the things which happened to them with the Americans who are mending in their countries business.
And Obama as being the face of the country is the main focus of personalized hate.
Personalty I never hated him. He is not deserving any strong opinions in my view.
Man did not did much harm no he did much good.
Status quo is good for us as we are having good live comparing with the most of the world so doing nothing is not a bad job.
Obviously Obama was unable to reduce the suffering of minorities in US, African Americans included.
They are for sure not better off after his term. But he has done nothing that affected me personally at all. So God bless him.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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11/1/2016  11:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  12:21 PM
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:Not sure why such noise and scare.
We have 2 candidates absolutely incapable of doing anything.
Idiocracy in action...
You guys seriously need to watch the movie again.
The mountain gave birth to a couple of rats...
Now they will dig a hole for themselves and eat cheese from our plate.
Not a big deal. I more interested in self-driving electric cars and Mars colonization.

You are wrong about them being absolutely incapable of doing anything..Younwatch too many movies..

The documentary we are watching now is the only one you need to see.
This is mindbogglingly how nation of 300+ million cannot produce one candidate to be a leader who is not a disgusting corrupted snake.
Even before being elected they collectively represent who we are.
And we are a silly and ignorant bunch.
At least those who participates in "political process".
Time to sidetrack this clown show and get back to basketball.

You can adapt a cynical point of view and find a reason not to care about who is running..There are issues on the ballot which effects many people in their every day lives..It's easy to feel helpless and I get it..But if the people lay down and don't voice an opinion, the Washingtonians have exactly where they want us...

Governance should be a privilege not the source of supper-income.
We promoted political bureaucracy into high paid profession.
And this in my view is the biggest flow of our governance system.
Leading the nation should be a privilege of the best and should not pay even a $ per year.
It became so lucrative on every level that corruption became rampant and a norm which is widely accepted as the nature of the beast.
It is not about who deserves it or who can have the job done but about who is still acceptable after all crimes he/she committed.
Sad... Sad... Sad...

But the last honest guy who ran, who adapted those ideals, you hated him..You hated Obama...Obama is equally hated by Israel, the Middle East, Europe(for not fighting their war in Syria), Republicans and some Democrats..That only means he must be working for the American people...

People of the world are associating the things which happened to them with the Americans who are mending in their countries business.
And Obama as being the face of the country is the main focus of personalized hate.
Personalty I never hated him. He is not deserving any strong opinions in my view.
Man did not did much harm no he did much good.
Status quo is good for us as we are having good live comparing with the most of the world so doing nothing is not a bad job.
Obviously Obama was unable to reduce the suffering of minorities in US, African Americans included.
They are for sure not better off after his term. But he has done nothing that affected me personally at all. So God bless him.

I'm not talking about people in countries but talking about heads of governments and policies which hurt or help their interest..You don't strike me as one who pays close attention to policies because you wouldn't make many of the statements you are making...

Trying to assess Obama's impact on individual concerns are a bit comical given the task of global meltdown that needed to be addressed when first getting into office..
The good thing is that you think Obama didn't personally help you, which illustrates the good job he has done..The fact that Obama kept systemic banks from going under, directly affected you. Directly affected your investments if you have them, and directly affected your ability to go to the supermarkets and pick up a loaf of bread...Had the banks gone under, many supermarket shelves would be empty, gas stations closed, etc..You have no clue of the impact...Remember Romney didn't want to bail out the auto industry and some banks...So keep thinking Obama hasn't done anything and it's the status quo..He should be applauded that at the end of his second term, he made it seemed like nothing happened...The Dow went below 6,700..Its 18,000 now, and looks like nothing happened...

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11/1/2016  11:47 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Expect more of this:


Democrats have huge advantages in early voting and Republicans have huge advantages in election day voting. It's been this way for a long time.
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11/1/2016  11:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  11:50 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Expect more of this:


Democrats have huge advantages in early voting and Republicans have huge advantages in election day voting. It's been this way for a long time.

This is the real chart..
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11/1/2016  11:53 AM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Expect more of this:


Democrats have huge advantages in early voting and Republicans have huge advantages in election day voting. It's been this way for a long time.

This is the real chart..

Oh, I was commenting on the 50 vs. 39 figure in the post.
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11/1/2016  11:54 AM
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.

What else is he going to say. If he said otherwise you would accuse HIM of rigging the election too, right?

The election is rigged and Trump is actually holding his own because Hillary is so bad. If anyone else from the democratic side probably wipes the floor with Trump. I wish democrates would realize how Hillary got her nomination for president she was fed questions. A vast media conspiracy to elevate her over her counterparts on the democratic side. While Trump spoke lewdly she actually has withheld evidence from the people and government. She committed perjury and the cover up is on the scale of someone who is in organized crime.

I really don't care who you vote or don't I just can't stand it when people won't open their eyes and see it for what it is. You can't keep defending the indefensible. No democrate in their honest mind can defend Hillary the corruption is a 800 pound gorilla and you guys are ignoring it.


You don't believe Americans are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, huh?
Hillary's "corruption" is on par with or less than ordinary politicians. There was no Republican outrage when the Bush Administration lost millions of e-mails. And very few Americans hold it against Collin Powell that he lied or at least misled the country into a war that cost thousands of lives. Hillary's allegedly corrupt behavior is much more minor than things that Republican men have been forgiven for doing.
Iran-contra.

Hell I know I want Bush and Chaney and Rumsfeld behind bars for Iraq. Fake war.


and Colin Powell?
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11/1/2016  12:47 PM
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:Not sure why such noise and scare.
We have 2 candidates absolutely incapable of doing anything.
Idiocracy in action...
You guys seriously need to watch the movie again.
The mountain gave birth to a couple of rats...
Now they will dig a hole for themselves and eat cheese from our plate.
Not a big deal. I more interested in self-driving electric cars and Mars colonization.

You are wrong about them being absolutely incapable of doing anything..Younwatch too many movies..

The documentary we are watching now is the only one you need to see.
This is mindbogglingly how nation of 300+ million cannot produce one candidate to be a leader who is not a disgusting corrupted snake.
Even before being elected they collectively represent who we are.
And we are a silly and ignorant bunch.
At least those who participates in "political process".
Time to sidetrack this clown show and get back to basketball.

You can adapt a cynical point of view and find a reason not to care about who is running..There are issues on the ballot which effects many people in their every day lives..It's easy to feel helpless and I get it..But if the people lay down and don't voice an opinion, the Washingtonians have exactly where they want us...

Governance should be a privilege not the source of supper-income.
We promoted political bureaucracy into high paid profession.
And this in my view is the biggest flow of our governance system.
Leading the nation should be a privilege of the best and should not pay even a $ per year.
It became so lucrative on every level that corruption became rampant and a norm which is widely accepted as the nature of the beast.
It is not about who deserves it or who can have the job done but about who is still acceptable after all crimes he/she committed.
Sad... Sad... Sad...

But the last honest guy who ran, who adapted those ideals, you hated him..You hated Obama...Obama is equally hated by Israel, the Middle East, Europe(for not fighting their war in Syria), Republicans and some Democrats..That only means he must be working for the American people...

People of the world are associating the things which happened to them with the Americans who are mending in their countries business.
And Obama as being the face of the country is the main focus of personalized hate.
Personalty I never hated him. He is not deserving any strong opinions in my view.
Man did not did much harm no he did much good.
Status quo is good for us as we are having good live comparing with the most of the world so doing nothing is not a bad job.
Obviously Obama was unable to reduce the suffering of minorities in US, African Americans included.
They are for sure not better off after his term. But he has done nothing that affected me personally at all. So God bless him.

We can discuss the power the position of US President actually holds... but we also acknowledge that there is a symbolic power to the role of Head of State — our replacement for a monarch.

As I argued 100+ pages ago, with the symbolic part of the job, the Obama family has been quite powerful for minorities — especially African-Americans. We should not discount this.

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11/1/2016  1:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  1:14 PM
Hacked server in Trump Organization used to solely communicate with Russia/Russian Banks...
http://theweek.com/speedreads/658814/experts-trump-organization-may-have-used-private-server-communicate-russian-bank

On the hunt for malware, a group of computer scientists say they stumbled upon a server registered to the Trump Organization in Manhattan that they believe secretly communicated almost exclusively with a bank in Moscow.
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11/1/2016  1:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  1:23 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:Not sure why such noise and scare.
We have 2 candidates absolutely incapable of doing anything.
Idiocracy in action...
You guys seriously need to watch the movie again.
The mountain gave birth to a couple of rats...
Now they will dig a hole for themselves and eat cheese from our plate.
Not a big deal. I more interested in self-driving electric cars and Mars colonization.

You are wrong about them being absolutely incapable of doing anything..Younwatch too many movies..

The documentary we are watching now is the only one you need to see.
This is mindbogglingly how nation of 300+ million cannot produce one candidate to be a leader who is not a disgusting corrupted snake.
Even before being elected they collectively represent who we are.
And we are a silly and ignorant bunch.
At least those who participates in "political process".
Time to sidetrack this clown show and get back to basketball.

You can adapt a cynical point of view and find a reason not to care about who is running..There are issues on the ballot which effects many people in their every day lives..It's easy to feel helpless and I get it..But if the people lay down and don't voice an opinion, the Washingtonians have exactly where they want us...

Governance should be a privilege not the source of supper-income.
We promoted political bureaucracy into high paid profession.
And this in my view is the biggest flow of our governance system.
Leading the nation should be a privilege of the best and should not pay even a $ per year.
It became so lucrative on every level that corruption became rampant and a norm which is widely accepted as the nature of the beast.
It is not about who deserves it or who can have the job done but about who is still acceptable after all crimes he/she committed.
Sad... Sad... Sad...

But the last honest guy who ran, who adapted those ideals, you hated him..You hated Obama...Obama is equally hated by Israel, the Middle East, Europe(for not fighting their war in Syria), Republicans and some Democrats..That only means he must be working for the American people...

People of the world are associating the things which happened to them with the Americans who are mending in their countries business.
And Obama as being the face of the country is the main focus of personalized hate.
Personalty I never hated him. He is not deserving any strong opinions in my view.
Man did not did much harm no he did much good.
Status quo is good for us as we are having good live comparing with the most of the world so doing nothing is not a bad job.
Obviously Obama was unable to reduce the suffering of minorities in US, African Americans included.
They are for sure not better off after his term. But he has done nothing that affected me personally at all. So God bless him.

We can discuss the power the position of US President actually holds... but we also acknowledge that there is a symbolic power to the role of Head of State — our replacement for a monarch.

As I argued 100+ pages ago, with the symbolic part of the job, the Obama family has been quite powerful for minorities — especially African-Americans. We should not discount this.

Have to agree on this with you.
The symbolism is a powerful thing.
In some ways it is more powerful that practical change and even practical change can be sacrificed to bring symbolic values.
I think electing woman, gay, Jewish, Asian, or Native American presidents will be great as well.
Hillary is woman so she can serve some purpose. Trump is useless in this respect...
May be can serve as redneck president... but he is technically not redneck..
In general this is very esoteric thing for me to be overly concern about.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?

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