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martin
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10/31/2016  10:54 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

You never answer the question regarding what the heck has Trump ever done for "the people?" He could care less about "the people" beyond how "the people" help make him rich.

BRIGGS isn't about dialogue, he's about monologue. He only responded to me because he figures I'm ready to get in the Trump Jeep. He doesn't even want to have a dialogue with 2015 anti-Trump BRIGGS. He's in the Vaseline-eating part of the story arc.

LOL agreed. Pretty much sums it up

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10/31/2016  11:14 PM
This is a good article about how the banking sector has changed. And to think people still think they make money by charging interest on loans.

http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/novdec-2014/frenzied-financialization/

Then if you add insurance and real estate sectors to this story, you'll start to understand why our economy is what it is.

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10/31/2016  11:16 PM
Not sure why such noise and scare.
We have 2 candidates absolutely incapable of doing anything.
Idiocracy in action...
You guys seriously need to watch the movie again.
The mountain gave birth to a couple of rats...
Now they will dig a hole for themselves and eat cheese from our plate.
Not a big deal. I more interested in self-driving electric cars and Mars colonization.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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10/31/2016  11:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2016  11:21 PM
Holy sh!t. This article alleges that the FBI knew Trump was being manipulated and groomed by the Russians. He is literally a Manchurian Candidate.

Trump is going on trial for raping a 13yr old. He's going on trial for racketeering. He's rumoredly not even paying his own pollsters from THIS ELECTION. He's had 1000s of lawsuits against him. He never released his tax returns, he's likely nowhere near a billionaire. He's a complete con man. Not even getting into the misogynist talk about women. Or the racist white supremacy crap. (both of which are terrible and should disqualify him alone, but the offenses on those counts are far too many to mention)

He's also a complete patsy for the Russians. Putin thinks he can control Trump and break up our allies. How does anyone look at Trump and think he is fit to lead? Honestly, this Russian stuff sounds like treason, for which he should be jailed.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump

This is just an excerpt:

In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump's dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project's financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.) "It started off as a fairly general inquiry," says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, "there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit."

This was, the former spy remarks, "an extraordinary situation." He regularly consults with US government agencies on Russian matters, and near the start of July on his own initiative—without the permission of the US company that hired him—he sent a report he had written for that firm to a contact at the FBI, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates, who asked not to be identified. (He declines to identify the FBI contact.) The former spy says he concluded that the information he had collected on Trump was "sufficiently serious" to share with the FBI.

Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."

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10/31/2016  11:20 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
Welpee wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

You seem to be getting to where I have been for months now. Turn in paper that says "this ballot was left intentionally blank".

Our democracy has been reduced to a food fight using garbage. The one who can dig up and sling more filth at the opponent wins. And as this thread will bear witness people are trying hard to justify voting for these complete losers. Regardless of who gets elected we are screwed.

Yea, I'm pretty disgusted. We need voting reform. My honest vote is None of the Above at this point. And I'm not apathetic, I spent time researching candidates and positions. I'm the type of guy who won't just pull a lever for a candidate or position if I don't feel informed, like those random judge positions. I don't even know why we elect members of the judiciary. Rubber stamp democratic republicanism feels like playing tea party with my niece: there is all the rituals but the pot is empty and the stove is plastic. We are just fooling ourselves to have a nice time.

If Bernie wants me to vote Hillary, that is about as good of a reason for me as any I can come up with at this point. Really respect that dude.

I'm with you. If there were a republican running who I didn't think was just bleeping nuts or a third party candidate with a reasonable shot at winning, Clinton would be hard pressed to get my vote. Unfortunately we're left with Clinton or Trump.

I'll take my chances with Clinton. Trump is a certified, verified con man and we only know probably a 1/10 of his dirty between being a private citizen, associates silenced by non disclosure agreements, no tax returns revealed, no IRS letter proving he's even under audit, the Trump University scam (ripping off the very people he claims to be fighting for), the groping, the lies, the racism, etc., etc., etc. (I could go on).

A corrupt person who at least knows what she's doing versus a corrupt con man who doesn't have a clue how the world operates nor does he have the intellectual capacity or interest to learn. The choice should be obvious. Remember the last president who governed "by his gut?" Got us in Iraq.

I was going to leave it blank, but I may end up voting for Jill Stein. I read the transcripts of the bank speeches and the left me speechless(pun indeed). She talked clearly about the poor little banks not being able to operate as normal in fear of regulations - this same person has a policy on her website about more regulations on banks. The ugly hypocrisy of politics - she will do absolutely nothing to regulate banks no matter what is published on her website. If she does it will be window dressing and won't have any substance. Plus she has no clue on how to make the economy better, neither does Trump. Banking sector profits, salaries and bonuses accounted for 9% of the GDP in 2013! (1.4 TRILLION) - Yet the services they provide are exactly what they were in 1930.

I takes two election cycles and countless hours of negotiation to pass a law like Dodd-Frank, it will probably take the banks a year or two to come up with products and software that bypass it - you cannot legislate morality. So when something becomes TBTF common sense suggest you break it down- take away their power and make them comply to the laws of the land. Instead we have let them grow even bigger since the subprime crisis. Our industry leaders and our politicians are morally bankrupt nothing will change that. A few holdouts like Bernie will get buried under the avalanche of self righteous centrist crap.

I am not trying to denounce all centrists - I respect what Obama did though he was centrist as well. He was an honest man who tried his hardest to take us forward and I am proud of having voted for him.

Yep more votes for Jill Stein--we need a lot more votes for her.

RIP Crushalot😞
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10/31/2016  11:21 PM
You had me till "alleges"
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10/31/2016  11:24 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

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11/1/2016  12:24 AM
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.
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11/1/2016  2:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  2:13 AM
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.

When Obama heard there were 650k that SIX HUNDRED and FIFTY K emails on a potential pedophiles laptop that likely contain classified governments documents---Obama said "no no" he's a VERY smart man. Hes washing his hands of this now. And the BOTTOM line is HILLARY CLINTON was responsible for moving those documents OUT. Shes GOING to be BUSTED NO DOUBT about that--so your vote will be for Tim Kaine. Hillary is going to be a big time embarrassment for women especially and of course for those who were "smart" enough to follow her to the voting booth when this is simply public information. If you are voting for Hillary call to make those 650k emails available to you or hold your vote.

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11/1/2016  4:10 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.

When Obama heard there were 650k that SIX HUNDRED and FIFTY K emails on a potential pedophiles laptop that likely contain classified governments documents---Obama said "no no" he's a VERY smart man. Hes washing his hands of this now. And the BOTTOM line is HILLARY CLINTON was responsible for moving those documents OUT. Shes GOING to be BUSTED NO DOUBT about that--so your vote will be for Tim Kaine. Hillary is going to be a big time embarrassment for women especially and of course for those who were "smart" enough to follow her to the voting booth when this is simply public information. If you are voting for Hillary call to make those 650k emails available to you or hold your vote.

Trump is going to be an embarrassment to men, and particularly those who vote for the con artist- he's the worst caricature of a man that you can imagine
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11/1/2016  4:32 AM
BRIGGS wrote:so Hillary had the questions to the debate. Answer no sht she answered with scripted answers. People have to get this straight. A vote for Hillary is a vote for corrupt elite. If that's in your character that's on you I'm with the people

No one that likes Hillary wants to hear about it Briggs. They are on some Trump Russian conspiracy.
Which, by the way just ended.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?referer=https://t.co/xubUldjTqV

But, from a few months back: Sale Of Uranium Company To Russia Connected To Clinton Foundation Donors - America's Newsroom
http://www.independentsentinel.com/clintons-made-millions-by-making-russia-a-uranium-giant%e2%80%8f/

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11/1/2016  4:40 AM
And BTW, as I said, the government is looking into the Clinton Foundation. FBI has been doing a criminal inquiry into the Clinton Foundation...
Resistance from DOJ (again)...

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11/1/2016  6:06 AM
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.

What else is he going to say. If he said otherwise you would accuse HIM of rigging the election too, right?
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11/1/2016  6:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  6:09 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:And BTW, as I said, the government is looking into the Clinton Foundation. FBI has been doing a criminal inquiry into the Clinton Foundation...
Resistance from DOJ (again)...

Lets play the GOP game: Chuck Grassley (republican), Hugh Hewitt (conversative), therefore anything they say should be considered bias, unreliable and either a lie or a gross distortion.
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11/1/2016  6:14 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.

When Obama heard there were 650k that SIX HUNDRED and FIFTY K emails on a potential pedophiles laptop that likely contain classified governments documents---Obama said "no no" he's a VERY smart man. Hes washing his hands of this now. And the BOTTOM line is HILLARY CLINTON was responsible for moving those documents OUT. Shes GOING to be BUSTED NO DOUBT about that--so your vote will be for Tim Kaine. Hillary is going to be a big time embarrassment for women especially and of course for those who were "smart" enough to follow her to the voting booth when this is simply public information. If you are voting for Hillary call to make those 650k emails available to you or hold your vote.


No one knows that any of those e-mails were classified, or even that any were sent by Hillary Clinton.
Should we hold our vote until Trump's ties to Russia and the outcome of his child rape case are known?
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11/1/2016  6:21 AM
The Gravis and Remington polls have been pretty generous to Trump this cycle but they both still have Hillary winning Pennsylvania. It's pretty unlikely Trump would get to 270 without PA.
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11/1/2016  7:45 AM
arkrud wrote:Not sure why such noise and scare.
We have 2 candidates absolutely incapable of doing anything.
Idiocracy in action...
You guys seriously need to watch the movie again.
The mountain gave birth to a couple of rats...
Now they will dig a hole for themselves and eat cheese from our plate.
Not a big deal. I more interested in self-driving electric cars and Mars colonization.

You are wrong about them being absolutely incapable of doing anything..Younwatch too many movies..
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11/1/2016  7:46 AM
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.


Obama never said that..
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11/1/2016  7:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2016  7:50 AM
holfresh wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You had me till "alleges"

Harry Reid and other Democrats been briefed on the FBI intel. The story is real.

And yet the FBI refuses to release it for fear it would influence the election. Meanwhile, they very publicly assert that the Clinton case has been re-opened in a very disingenuous manner.

The display here by the GOP and the FBI is shameful. Too bad they have no shame to begin with.

If Obama is saying Comey isn't trying to influence the election then what are you worried about.


Obama never said that..

Yeah exactly.
Comey is being criticized by many of the less partisan Republicans now
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11/1/2016  7:56 AM
Welpee wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:And BTW, as I said, the government is looking into the Clinton Foundation. FBI has been doing a criminal inquiry into the Clinton Foundation...
Resistance from DOJ (again)...

Lets play the GOP game: Chuck Grassley (republican), Hugh Hewitt (conversative), therefore anything they say should be considered bias, unreliable and either a lie or a gross distortion.

That is not a game, you are saying he is outright lying about an FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation?
I'm sure they affiliate with parties, but to come out and lie like that, that seems way too risky as people will remember.

It is going to get interesting. If the early reports are true, it looks like both Weiner and Huma are talking now. And I believe it was the NYPD who found the folder on his computer titled "Life Insurance", which is the reason for the FBI looking into these new emails. We probably are going to hear something in the next 2 days or so...

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