BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:so Hillary had the questions to the debate. Answer no sht she answered with scripted answers. People have to get this straight. A vote for Hillary is a vote for corrupt elite. If that's in your character that's on you I'm with the people

But you are ok promoting a 70 year old dude who creeps in on nude 15 year old girls..

Come on dude--stop with the panzy hypocrite BS. I dont care if you are married to the hottest wife have the best relationship--whatever--you are still looking at every f women you can within a respectable reason--youre looking at their ass or breasts with their husband and kids right there at times if something is that good. Its just the factoid of being a man its in your DNA. This mans DNA is he needs to brag about it--so be it--who am I to judge? I care about the policies--I dont care one iota about the pssy--thats a non issue

but the policies are f cked. he has no method to deport people. many many economists say his "tax" plan is, and i quote, a disaster. he has no idea what to do with isis. he has no real long term solution to bring jobs back to america.

all he did was hit the nerve of disgruntled people but he's provided no real concrete plans. he talks in cliches and there is no history whatsoever that he should be trusted with ANYTHING. he says things like he's giving a wrestling promo.

don't care about the person? fine. but his policies are DOO DOO.

AND hillary is NOT an extension of obama. that's a subconsciously sexist comment saying a woman can't be her own individual and can only continue what a man has already done. hillary is more qualified than anybody in the US right now to be president. full disclosure, i wasn't even going to vote for her. i was going to vote independent until i research those two folks and found out they were idiots.

casting a vote for trump is like saying FU to the US government. but at the end of the day, he's gonna give a big FU to you. he doesn't care about you or this country.

he has a psychological disorder.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/donald-trump-tax.html?&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

As that empire floundered in the early 1990s, Mr. Trump pressured his financial backers to forgive hundreds of millions of dollars in debt he could not repay. While the cancellation of so much debt gave new life to Mr. Trump’s casinos, it created a potentially crippling problem with the Internal Revenue Service. In the eyes of the I.R.S., a dollar of canceled debt is the same as a dollar of taxable income. This meant Mr. Trump faced the painful prospect of having to report the hundreds of millions of dollars of canceled debt as if it were hundreds of millions of dollars of taxable income.

But Mr. Trump’s audacious tax-avoidance maneuver gave him a way to simply avoid reporting any of that canceled debt to the I.R.S. “He’s getting something for absolutely nothing,” John L. Buckley, who served as the chief of staff for Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation in 1993 and 1994, said in an interview.

BRIGGS wrote:Somoen said it perfect--what Donna Podesta and Hillary did was insider trading politics style.. Yep go vote those MF corrupt BS atrists

Yes stay home if you want to vote for Hillary--do the right thing. A no vote is the right process.

Ah... and a reason to vote appears. Voting against the intellectually dishonest likes of you.

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a **** show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bull****. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

You seem to be getting to where I have been for months now. Turn in paper that says "this ballot was left intentionally blank".

Our democracy has been reduced to a food fight using garbage. The one who can dig up and sling more filth at the opponent wins. And as this thread will bear witness people are trying hard to justify voting for these complete losers. Regardless of who gets elected we are screwed.

Yea, I'm pretty disgusted. We need voting reform. My honest vote is None of the Above at this point. And I'm not apathetic, I spent time researching candidates and positions. I'm the type of guy who won't just pull a lever for a candidate or position if I don't feel informed, like those random judge positions. I don't even know why we elect members of the judiciary. Rubber stamp democratic republicanism feels like playing tea party with my niece: there is all the rituals but the pot is empty and the stove is plastic. We are just fooling ourselves to have a nice time.

If Bernie wants me to vote Hillary, that is about as good of a reason for me as any I can come up with at this point. Really respect that dude.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

You seem to be getting to where I have been for months now. Turn in paper that says "this ballot was left intentionally blank".

Our democracy has been reduced to a food fight using garbage. The one who can dig up and sling more filth at the opponent wins. And as this thread will bear witness people are trying hard to justify voting for these complete losers. Regardless of who gets elected we are screwed.

Yea, I'm pretty disgusted. We need voting reform. My honest vote is None of the Above at this point. And I'm not apathetic, I spent time researching candidates and positions. I'm the type of guy who won't just pull a lever for a candidate or position if I don't feel informed, like those random judge positions. I don't even know why we elect members of the judiciary. Rubber stamp democratic republicanism feels like playing tea party with my niece: there is all the rituals but the pot is empty and the stove is plastic. We are just fooling ourselves to have a nice time.

If Bernie wants me to vote Hillary, that is about as good of a reason for me as any I can come up with at this point. Really respect that dude.

I'll take my chances with Clinton. Trump is a certified, verified con man and we only know probably a 1/10 of his dirty between being a private citizen, associates silenced by non disclosure agreements, no tax returns revealed, no IRS letter proving he's even under audit, the Trump University scam (ripping off the very people he claims to be fighting for), the groping, the lies, the racism, etc., etc., etc. (I could go on).

A corrupt person who at least knows what she's doing versus a corrupt con man who doesn't have a clue how the world operates nor does he have the intellectual capacity or interest to learn. The choice should be obvious. Remember the last president who governed "by his gut?" Got us in Iraq.

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

Welpee wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

You seem to be getting to where I have been for months now. Turn in paper that says "this ballot was left intentionally blank".

Our democracy has been reduced to a food fight using garbage. The one who can dig up and sling more filth at the opponent wins. And as this thread will bear witness people are trying hard to justify voting for these complete losers. Regardless of who gets elected we are screwed.

Yea, I'm pretty disgusted. We need voting reform. My honest vote is None of the Above at this point. And I'm not apathetic, I spent time researching candidates and positions. I'm the type of guy who won't just pull a lever for a candidate or position if I don't feel informed, like those random judge positions. I don't even know why we elect members of the judiciary. Rubber stamp democratic republicanism feels like playing tea party with my niece: there is all the rituals but the pot is empty and the stove is plastic. We are just fooling ourselves to have a nice time.

If Bernie wants me to vote Hillary, that is about as good of a reason for me as any I can come up with at this point. Really respect that dude.

I'm with you. If there were a republican running who I didn't think was just bleeping nuts or a third party candidate with a reasonable shot at winning, Clinton would be hard pressed to get my vote. Unfortunately we're left with Clinton or Trump.

I'll take my chances with Clinton. Trump is a certified, verified con man and we only know probably a 1/10 of his dirty between being a private citizen, associates silenced by non disclosure agreements, no tax returns revealed, no IRS letter proving he's even under audit, the Trump University scam (ripping off the very people he claims to be fighting for), the groping, the lies, the racism, etc., etc., etc. (I could go on).

A corrupt person who at least knows what she's doing versus a corrupt con man who doesn't have a clue how the world operates nor does he have the intellectual capacity or interest to learn. The choice should be obvious. Remember the last president who governed "by his gut?" Got us in Iraq.

I was going to leave it blank, but I may end up voting for Jill Stein. I read the transcripts of the bank speeches and the left me speechless(pun indeed). She talked clearly about the poor little banks not being able to operate as normal in fear of regulations - this same person has a policy on her website about more regulations on banks. The ugly hypocrisy of politics - she will do absolutely nothing to regulate banks no matter what is published on her website. If she does it will be window dressing and won't have any substance. Plus she has no clue on how to make the economy better, neither does Trump. Banking sector profits, salaries and bonuses accounted for 9% of the GDP in 2013! (1.4 TRILLION) - Yet the services they provide are exactly what they were in 1930.

I takes two election cycles and countless hours of negotiation to pass a law like Dodd-Frank, it will probably take the banks a year or two to come up with products and software that bypass it - you cannot legislate morality. So when something becomes TBTF common sense suggest you break it down- take away their power and make them comply to the laws of the land. Instead we have let them grow even bigger since the subprime crisis. Our industry leaders and our politicians are morally bankrupt nothing will change that. A few holdouts like Bernie will get buried under the avalanche of self righteous centrist crap.

I am not trying to denounce all centrists - I respect what Obama did though he was centrist as well. He was an honest man who tried his hardest to take us forward and I am proud of having voted for him.