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tkf
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2/13/2013  12:42 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Great game tonight. Clipps vs Rockets. Harden might be out. Ouch.

twisted his ankle on david lee's foot.. i saw some footage of this royce white kid.. He looks intriguing.. If the rockets can get him straight, they may have a player on their hands..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/13/2013  12:45 PM
tkf wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Great game tonight. Clipps vs Rockets. Harden might be out. Ouch.

twisted his ankle on david lee's foot.. i saw some footage of this royce white kid.. He looks intriguing.. If the rockets can get him straight, they may have a player on their hands..


White has talent, probably the 3rd best player in this draft from a talent perspective.

He's just on a mission that really makes no sense, he's on the wrong job thinking he can have his way.

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2/13/2013  12:47 PM
tkf wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Great game tonight. Clipps vs Rockets. Harden might be out. Ouch.

twisted his ankle on david lee's foot.. i saw some footage of this royce white kid.. He looks intriguing.. If the rockets can get him straight, they may have a player on their hands..

If he gets into game shape (losing 10 pounds or so) and gets his head straight, he'd be a boost. Definitely will offset the loss of trading Jeremy Lamb in the Harden deal. Would be a huge help at PF too.

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2/13/2013  12:53 PM
tkf wrote:
RonRon wrote:
tkf wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:I remember last week when Lin went 5/8 from 3. Lin supporters went nuts with no mention of his awful shooting percentage of .321 from beyond the arc. And now tonight he's already started off 0/1. When is Jeremy Lin going to learn to quit shooting the long ball? Because he's drop dead awful at it... All he's doing is hurting his entire team when tossing up desperation trey's. Stick to what you know Jeremy Lin; which is 'GO RIGHT' because we all know he struggles going anything other than... Right.

Man, you got some problems. I am probably the biggest Jeremy Lin fan in this board. After that game, nobody here was going nuts about his 5/8 from 3. Everybody, including me, was very sarcastic and poking fun that he actually made his 3s. Mentioning that Lin looked like he changed his shot a bit. You really gotta stop worrying about ex-Knicks. Their success does not mean this current Knick team is failing.

Also, Did you watch the game? Lin is a big reason they won last night. He had his attack game on. Lin and Harden basically put Curry, DLee and Bogut in foul trouble before halftime. They all had 3 fouls at halftime. In the 2nd half, Curry could not stop Lin and they had to switch Curry off him when he got his 4th and put Barnes on Lin. Lin controlled the pace or rather pushed the pace. Lin had 14 points and 10 assists. He would had more assists but in typical Asik fashion, he blew a bunch of layups. And Yes...he stopped taking 3's after his first 2 shot attempts did not go in. They did not give him any steal last night but he picked up a bunch of loose balls that were deflected by his teammates.

good post, but you are talking to someone who is completely irrational when it comes to anything outside of knickland... one thing about the rockets, lin has to take the open three, that is what the rockets do.. if he doesn't take them, he will sit, because Douglas sure will..... It is how they run their offense.. but yes, last night he was a factor again.. he and harden can be hell to guard, especially when lin is aggressive, because harden is always attacking....

LOL, I also agree, asik messes up a lot of lin's assist... haha

NYKmentality and TFK are completely opposites and similar is so many senses

They are constantly looking to prove other people's opinions wrong and their own opinions right
Unable to accept criticism/opinions/ of other's and the yin/yang of ex Knick's
TFK makes bashes Melo to the extreme and NYKmentality ignores the flaws of Melo and credit's him more than deserved

Harden *from OKC to Rockets* and Rudy Gay *from Memphis to Toronto* are great examples of how stats could be misleading
In the end, STAT's doesn't measure how each player is utilized in each system/team, and does not measure their talents

On people that like to use STAT's as a measure of the values of players, Rudy Gay and Harden proves why it can be flawed
Rockets acquired arguably the best COMBO G in the game today and one of the best penetrators/ability to finish with contact in the game/ and ability to break defenses down
Rudy Gay is one the most versatile/athletic/skilled SF's after Durant/Lebron, with the ability to play SG/PF *much like how Melo does*
He was a complete steal for Toronto and horrible trade for Memphis because they did not attain any real assets for a young/all star like player in Gay
While I understand that Memphis simplified their offense and improved their chemistry/defense, they simply did not acquire asset's for Rudy Gay's potential


ron, honestly I don't think you believe that, because really, you can't find any evidence of that.. I think that has been regurgitated so much that it just seems like the normal thing to say.. can you look at any of these threads and find where I bash him to the extreme? if feeling that he is not a top 10 player in the league bashing, then I guess I am guilty, as are many others..... but where is this extreme bashing you talk about?


You post a lot, so it is hard to trace it back
You actually do, maybe sometimes you feel attacked by some posters and get defensive, while thing's maybe come out the wrong way
Then it becomes of message battle, going on and off...
There are many points that I do agree with you on some part but then there times where I think you take it to the extreme like this

When you said you would trade Melo for an injured Rhondo for the better of our future
*knowing he is out for the year* and our window of opportunity is probably it's highest this year*
That pretty much sums it up, of how much you discredit Melo, trading for an injured player while we would lose the opportunity to compete for a ring this year

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2/13/2013  1:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2013  1:06 PM
RonRon wrote:
tkf wrote:
RonRon wrote:
tkf wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:I remember last week when Lin went 5/8 from 3. Lin supporters went nuts with no mention of his awful shooting percentage of .321 from beyond the arc. And now tonight he's already started off 0/1. When is Jeremy Lin going to learn to quit shooting the long ball? Because he's drop dead awful at it... All he's doing is hurting his entire team when tossing up desperation trey's. Stick to what you know Jeremy Lin; which is 'GO RIGHT' because we all know he struggles going anything other than... Right.

Man, you got some problems. I am probably the biggest Jeremy Lin fan in this board. After that game, nobody here was going nuts about his 5/8 from 3. Everybody, including me, was very sarcastic and poking fun that he actually made his 3s. Mentioning that Lin looked like he changed his shot a bit. You really gotta stop worrying about ex-Knicks. Their success does not mean this current Knick team is failing.

Also, Did you watch the game? Lin is a big reason they won last night. He had his attack game on. Lin and Harden basically put Curry, DLee and Bogut in foul trouble before halftime. They all had 3 fouls at halftime. In the 2nd half, Curry could not stop Lin and they had to switch Curry off him when he got his 4th and put Barnes on Lin. Lin controlled the pace or rather pushed the pace. Lin had 14 points and 10 assists. He would had more assists but in typical Asik fashion, he blew a bunch of layups. And Yes...he stopped taking 3's after his first 2 shot attempts did not go in. They did not give him any steal last night but he picked up a bunch of loose balls that were deflected by his teammates.

good post, but you are talking to someone who is completely irrational when it comes to anything outside of knickland... one thing about the rockets, lin has to take the open three, that is what the rockets do.. if he doesn't take them, he will sit, because Douglas sure will..... It is how they run their offense.. but yes, last night he was a factor again.. he and harden can be hell to guard, especially when lin is aggressive, because harden is always attacking....

LOL, I also agree, asik messes up a lot of lin's assist... haha

NYKmentality and TFK are completely opposites and similar is so many senses

They are constantly looking to prove other people's opinions wrong and their own opinions right
Unable to accept criticism/opinions/ of other's and the yin/yang of ex Knick's
TFK makes bashes Melo to the extreme and NYKmentality ignores the flaws of Melo and credit's him more than deserved

Harden *from OKC to Rockets* and Rudy Gay *from Memphis to Toronto* are great examples of how stats could be misleading
In the end, STAT's doesn't measure how each player is utilized in each system/team, and does not measure their talents

On people that like to use STAT's as a measure of the values of players, Rudy Gay and Harden proves why it can be flawed
Rockets acquired arguably the best COMBO G in the game today and one of the best penetrators/ability to finish with contact in the game/ and ability to break defenses down
Rudy Gay is one the most versatile/athletic/skilled SF's after Durant/Lebron, with the ability to play SG/PF *much like how Melo does*
He was a complete steal for Toronto and horrible trade for Memphis because they did not attain any real assets for a young/all star like player in Gay
While I understand that Memphis simplified their offense and improved their chemistry/defense, they simply did not acquire asset's for Rudy Gay's potential


ron, honestly I don't think you believe that, because really, you can't find any evidence of that.. I think that has been regurgitated so much that it just seems like the normal thing to say.. can you look at any of these threads and find where I bash him to the extreme? if feeling that he is not a top 10 player in the league bashing, then I guess I am guilty, as are many others..... but where is this extreme bashing you talk about?


You post a lot, so it is hard to trace it back
You actually do, maybe sometimes you feel attacked by some posters and get defensive, while thing's maybe come out the wrong way
Then it becomes of message battle, going on and off...
There are many points that I do agree with you on some part but then there times where I think you take it to the extreme like this

When you said you would trade Melo for an injured Rhondo for the better of our future
*knowing he is out for the year* and our window of opportunity is probably it's highest this year*
That pretty much sums it up, of how much you discredit Melo, trading for an injured player while we would lose the opportunity to compete for a ring this year

that is not bashing ron.. I don't feel this team with carmelo as the "best player" will win... i would take my chances with a player like rondo for years to come... that is just me. If I am wrong, then great, Knicks win a ring... and I am wrong.. I can live with that.. but that is not bashing... I think we are a potential first or second round exit as constructed with or without carmelo.... without him, honestly I think you will see that woodson would actually be forced to coach offense, other guys will get more shots, guys like amare, novak, heck even JR, and I don't like JR, but honestly he has been pretty good for stretches and has shown that he can and will take and hit big shots... don't worry, if coached the right way, we have enough ball movers on this team, and we will still score the same amount of points if woodson would actually coach offense.... carmelo gives us nothing and I mean nothing but scoring at a 44% clip.... whoopee.. bring in copeland, give amare more touches and tell JR we will need him to be even more aggressive.. I guarantee you we will make up the points.. what we may find is that we actually move the ball more, get more points in the paint, guys are not standing around and we actually defend more... who knows.. I am open to finding that out while adding a young stud PG to build around.... I want a player who is more cerebral, I can't stand that holding your hand up asking for the ball and jacking up forced shots as if you have a shot quota, while guys stand with their hands out asking to please let them share in the spoils.... I just don't like it.. don't like him, his ways, or his style!! I hate it..... we have some guys on this team that will actually play the right way, and damn man, they need a leader who understand that and will take the lead doing so!!! call me crazy... I dunno bro... I just tend to look at things a bit differently I guess..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/13/2013  1:08 PM
You can't build around Rondo unless you have ELITE shooters at all times.

You'd have to literally gut the whole team to build around him.

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2/13/2013  1:08 PM
tkf wrote:
RonRon wrote:
tkf wrote:
RonRon wrote:
tkf wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:I remember last week when Lin went 5/8 from 3. Lin supporters went nuts with no mention of his awful shooting percentage of .321 from beyond the arc. And now tonight he's already started off 0/1. When is Jeremy Lin going to learn to quit shooting the long ball? Because he's drop dead awful at it... All he's doing is hurting his entire team when tossing up desperation trey's. Stick to what you know Jeremy Lin; which is 'GO RIGHT' because we all know he struggles going anything other than... Right.

Man, you got some problems. I am probably the biggest Jeremy Lin fan in this board. After that game, nobody here was going nuts about his 5/8 from 3. Everybody, including me, was very sarcastic and poking fun that he actually made his 3s. Mentioning that Lin looked like he changed his shot a bit. You really gotta stop worrying about ex-Knicks. Their success does not mean this current Knick team is failing.

Also, Did you watch the game? Lin is a big reason they won last night. He had his attack game on. Lin and Harden basically put Curry, DLee and Bogut in foul trouble before halftime. They all had 3 fouls at halftime. In the 2nd half, Curry could not stop Lin and they had to switch Curry off him when he got his 4th and put Barnes on Lin. Lin controlled the pace or rather pushed the pace. Lin had 14 points and 10 assists. He would had more assists but in typical Asik fashion, he blew a bunch of layups. And Yes...he stopped taking 3's after his first 2 shot attempts did not go in. They did not give him any steal last night but he picked up a bunch of loose balls that were deflected by his teammates.

good post, but you are talking to someone who is completely irrational when it comes to anything outside of knickland... one thing about the rockets, lin has to take the open three, that is what the rockets do.. if he doesn't take them, he will sit, because Douglas sure will..... It is how they run their offense.. but yes, last night he was a factor again.. he and harden can be hell to guard, especially when lin is aggressive, because harden is always attacking....

LOL, I also agree, asik messes up a lot of lin's assist... haha

NYKmentality and TFK are completely opposites and similar is so many senses

They are constantly looking to prove other people's opinions wrong and their own opinions right
Unable to accept criticism/opinions/ of other's and the yin/yang of ex Knick's
TFK makes bashes Melo to the extreme and NYKmentality ignores the flaws of Melo and credit's him more than deserved

Harden *from OKC to Rockets* and Rudy Gay *from Memphis to Toronto* are great examples of how stats could be misleading
In the end, STAT's doesn't measure how each player is utilized in each system/team, and does not measure their talents

On people that like to use STAT's as a measure of the values of players, Rudy Gay and Harden proves why it can be flawed
Rockets acquired arguably the best COMBO G in the game today and one of the best penetrators/ability to finish with contact in the game/ and ability to break defenses down
Rudy Gay is one the most versatile/athletic/skilled SF's after Durant/Lebron, with the ability to play SG/PF *much like how Melo does*
He was a complete steal for Toronto and horrible trade for Memphis because they did not attain any real assets for a young/all star like player in Gay
While I understand that Memphis simplified their offense and improved their chemistry/defense, they simply did not acquire asset's for Rudy Gay's potential


ron, honestly I don't think you believe that, because really, you can't find any evidence of that.. I think that has been regurgitated so much that it just seems like the normal thing to say.. can you look at any of these threads and find where I bash him to the extreme? if feeling that he is not a top 10 player in the league bashing, then I guess I am guilty, as are many others..... but where is this extreme bashing you talk about?


You post a lot, so it is hard to trace it back
You actually do, maybe sometimes you feel attacked by some posters and get defensive, while thing's maybe come out the wrong way
Then it becomes of message battle, going on and off...
There are many points that I do agree with you on some part but then there times where I think you take it to the extreme like this

When you said you would trade Melo for an injured Rhondo for the better of our future
*knowing he is out for the year* and our window of opportunity is probably it's highest this year*
That pretty much sums it up, of how much you discredit Melo, trading for an injured player while we would lose the opportunity to compete for a ring this year

that is not bashing ron.. I don't feel this team with carmelo as the "best player" will win... i would take my chances with a player like rondo for years to come... that is just me. If I am wrong, then great, Knicks win a ring... and I am wrong.. I can live with that.. but that is not bashing... I think we are a potential first or second round exit as constructed with or without carmelo.... without him, honestly I think you will see that woodson would actually be forced to coach offense, other guys will get more shots, guys like amare, novak, heck even JR, and I don't like JR, but honestly he has been pretty good for stretches and has shown that he can and will take and hit big shots... don't worry, if coached the right way, we have enough ball movers on this team, and we will still score the same amount of points if woodson would actually coach offense.... carmelo gives us nothing and I mean nothing but scoring at a 44% clip.... whoopee.. bring in copeland, give amare more touches and tell JR we will need him to be even more aggressive.. I guarantee you we will make up the points.. what we may find is that we actually move the ball more, get more points in the paint, guys are not standing around and we actually defend more... who knows.. I am open to finding that out while adding a young stud PG to build around.... call me crazy... I dunno bro...

Hey Crazy.

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2/13/2013  1:24 PM
since i don't want this thread to be derailed by the whole Rondo vs. Melo argument and TKF vs. NYKMentality... I'm gonna switch this up now:

I'm curious to watch the Bulls vs Celtics tonight.

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2/13/2013  1:37 PM
u are right TFK, that is not bashing, but that does emphasis where you hold Carmelo's value to the team that is competing for a ring this year
lets just end it at that, don't want to ruin the thread
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2/13/2013  1:53 PM
RonRon wrote:u are right TFK, that is not bashing, but that does emphasis where you hold Carmelo's value to the team that is competing for a ring this year
lets just end it at that, don't want to ruin the thread

cool....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/13/2013  3:15 PM
Wow, turkoglu suspended 20 games for using steroids- if I were him I'd ask for my money back!
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2/13/2013  3:17 PM
smackeddog wrote:Wow, turkoglu suspended 20 games for using steroids- if I were him I'd ask for my money back!

Now that I think about it wasn't Rashard Lewis suspended for steroid use while in Orl? Looked it up, Yes. Interesting. Something shady may be going on at Disney.

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2/13/2013  3:50 PM
Really looking forward to Clips vs Rockets tonight- should be a good game if Harden can play. TKF- with Nuggets vs Nets too, you're spoilt tonight! What are your predictions?
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2/13/2013  3:55 PM
smackeddog wrote:Really looking forward to Clips vs Rockets tonight- should be a good game if Harden can play. TKF- with Nuggets vs Nets too, you're spoilt tonight! What are your predictions?

depends.. if gallo and iggy are playing. I have the nuggets, or even if one of the two are playing I take the nuggs.. but the nets are without deron and they have no one to keep with lawson anyway...

Rockets vs clips is tough... no harden, it will be tough unless lin has some insane scoring game.... I am afraid clips might run away with this one, but you never know.. some good games tonight, that is for sure...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/13/2013  4:12 PM
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Really looking forward to Clips vs Rockets tonight- should be a good game if Harden can play. TKF- with Nuggets vs Nets too, you're spoilt tonight! What are your predictions?

depends.. if gallo and iggy are playing. I have the nuggets, or even if one of the two are playing I take the nuggs.. but the nets are without deron and they have no one to keep with lawson anyway...

Rockets vs clips is tough... no harden, it will be tough unless lin has some insane scoring game.... I am afraid clips might run away with this one, but you never know.. some good games tonight, that is for sure...

Yep, I'm curious to see what Lin will do if Hardens out- but then again he's up against CP3, Billups and Bledsoe, Clips are deadly at PG. Also curious to see if Joe Johnson can step up with Deron out. annoyingly I won't be able to watch any of tonight's games until tomorrow tonight, so I'll have to resist looking up the scores for 24hrs...

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2/13/2013  5:00 PM
Thought this was great... On a side note I wonder if LeBron's record streak at the same time as Jordan turning 50 is just a coincidence? Either way its unreal.


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2/13/2013  10:08 PM
tough denver loss.. I KNOW they didn't have iggy and gallo again, but for some reason they just didn't defend the 3 point line.. poor defensive game...
that team really looks different without gallo and iggy....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/13/2013  10:40 PM
70-69 Cs over the Bulls. Is that for real? Was everyone off early for the All star game?
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2/13/2013  11:18 PM
tkf wrote:tough denver loss.. I KNOW they didn't have iggy and gallo again, but for some reason they just didn't defend the 3 point line.. poor defensive game...
The that team really looks different without gallo and iggy....

I was at the game. First off the arena is really cool.

The Nuggets looked lethargic except for a few minutes in the 3rd quarter. It was great to see Chandler again in person... but as was the case when he was with the Knicks he is not a good perimeter defender. Johnson seemed to have an easy time of it when Chandler was on him.

No way Randolph is taller than 6'9" by the way. Not surprised he hasn't developed. He looks taller than he is because he is so skinny and he will never develop SF skills.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/13/2013  11:19 PM
knickscity wrote:
tkf wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Great game tonight. Clipps vs Rockets. Harden might be out. Ouch.

twisted his ankle on david lee's foot.. i saw some footage of this royce white kid.. He looks intriguing.. If the rockets can get him straight, they may have a player on their hands..


White has talent, probably the 3rd best player in this draft from a talent perspective.

He's just on a mission that really makes no sense, he's on the wrong job thinking he can have his way.


is it that, or does dude really have mental issues.....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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