nycericanguy wrote:29 other teams would love Hart, especially at his contract. He can play and fit on any team.

KAT is a much more difficult fit, especially at HIS contract.

KAT wasn't the reason we lost, but if he can't play with Brunson that doesn't bode well for him. I mean does anyone think we don't win this series if we had Ihart instead?

No way 29 other teams love Hart - his shooting & D as an undersized wing alone would eliminate him from many teams.

Teams aren't lining up to pay Hart $18M -- he's so invaluable 3 teams have already traded him.

ramtour420 wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense

Hart is extremely skilled with passing and taking it strong to the hoop. Elite at it. Rebounding too, but that's a diff story. Hart needs a SYSTEM where he could pick his spots and have a defined role. Same for Bridges. He would be amazing in a system. Towns too, the system can be built around his passing and driving. And then we would have Jalen's ISO as a fall back option late on the clock. Instead of it being the only option, after having dribbled the clock out....

Hart is NOT extremely skilled as a passer -- not in any way, shape or form. He's a piss poor decision maker #1 which instantly eliminates him from great passer status. Think back to how many passes he thru into the 4th row of the stands this year.

He was a guy who was given heavy minutes and heavy on ball time - he had some high assist games --- he's a poor decision maker with the ball and a less than good passer.

Consider the context please. He did what you are describing in an offense that doesn't prioritize ball moving, player moving. He pretty much had to become his own Cris Paul. Yes, he isn't a PG or a creator. But you are massively discounting his passing ability. In a system with offensive creativity he could average 7-8 assists with low turnovers( because he would not have to invent plays in real time, like he has been doing)

Fair enough point - thanks.

LivingLegend wrote:Question.

I've seen some 3 team trade ideas floated out there where PHX/Minny/NY are involved.

Kat to PHX
KD to Minny
Naz/Donte to Knicks

My question is regarding Naz.

Naz is a free agent and would need to sign and be traded - is it accurate that we can't acquire a player (Naz) via a sign and tree?

Knicks traded 1st, Randle, DDV for KAT, no way they trade KAT for Naz, DDV only.

You cannot S&T Naz. Naz can opt into his player option and then get extended? Perhaps? But why does Naz want $15M versus open market $$$?

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:29 other teams would love Hart, especially at his contract. He can play and fit on any team.

KAT is a much more difficult fit, especially at HIS contract.

KAT wasn't the reason we lost, but if he can't play with Brunson that doesn't bode well for him. I mean does anyone think we don't win this series if we had Ihart instead?

No way 29 other teams love Hart - his shooting & D as an undersized wing alone would eliminate him from many teams.

Teams aren't lining up to pay Hart $18M -- he's so invaluable 3 teams have already traded him.

18m is nothing these days, the MLE is about 12-13m next season.

29 other teams would absolutely want him, thats like saying 29 teams wouldn't want Ihart because he's been on 5-6 teams in 6 years. lots of circumstances around why Hart was traded, it wasn't because those teams didnt want him.

Yes. JHart gets exposed by like 5 teams in the league cause they would have the wherewithal to defense the Knicks well enough. Boston could not.

Josh may have been over his head a bit as a starter for a deep playoff team. Eye of the beholder: is Josh a super 6th man who just filled in all year as a starter and got triple doubles more than Clyde did? That's like superman play. If you move him in as a permanent starter and make him the secondary ball handler? Maybe you in trouble.

Josh failed at the EFC level. In his first try there. Like plenty of other starters.

In this playoffs he shot 37% from deep and had a 4.4/1.9 Ass/TO rate. That's really good. He did have a couple of bad games and yet the Knicks were right there.

Hart has played 42 playoff games for us and averaged 12/9/4 on 46/36 shooting.

I think its a bit harsh to say he "failed" at the ECF's. he had some rough moments yes, I think that happens to almost any role player. OG, Mikal, Deuce, DDV... all these guys have had bad stretches.

OVerall he's been a big time performer in the playoffs for us.

SupremeCommander wrote:We need a true 6MOY candidate. I'm not going to respond to everyone but my TLDR is Josh Hart is the best candidate to acquire that guy for us. I feel like we're got six starters and a garbage bench

Hart would be 6MOTY if he came off the bench, problem is, we kinda need his rebounding in the starting 5. because if you replace him in theory with a guy like DDV or Deuce, it really hurts our rebounding.

OG sucks on the boards given his size if we're being honest.

Ihart leaving really messed the balance of this team.

DLeethal wrote:I will say if Hart goes full on Ben Simmons with his shot, then we have a problem. Dude started off the season shooting 40% and somewhere along the way just lost all of his confidence. And by game 6 he was airballing and chucking up huge bricks. He needs to be confident enough to take a couple 3s a game.

This is why he is 6MOY IMHO. As a starter, you have a semblance of a plan against the Knicks. Josh off bench, whole different ballgame.

LivingLegend wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense

Hart is extremely skilled with passing and taking it strong to the hoop. Elite at it. Rebounding too, but that's a diff story. Hart needs a SYSTEM where he could pick his spots and have a defined role. Same for Bridges. He would be amazing in a system. Towns too, the system can be built around his passing and driving. And then we would have Jalen's ISO as a fall back option late on the clock. Instead of it being the only option, after having dribbled the clock out....

Hart is NOT extremely skilled as a passer -- not in any way, shape or form. He's a piss poor decision maker #1 which instantly eliminates him from great passer status. Think back to how many passes he thru into the 4th row of the stands this year.

He was a guy who was given heavy minutes and heavy on ball time - he had some high assist games --- he's a poor decision maker with the ball and a less than good passer.

Consider the context please. He did what you are describing in an offense that doesn't prioritize ball moving, player moving. He pretty much had to become his own Cris Paul. Yes, he isn't a PG or a creator. But you are massively discounting his passing ability. In a system with offensive creativity he could average 7-8 assists with low turnovers( because he would not have to invent plays in real time, like he has been doing)

Fair enough point - thanks.

Hart will make one or two overly aggressive passes per game, but he is actually quite a good facilitator who did a great job as the next ball mover off a Brunson pick and roll and found us a lot of layups/dunks all season long. He also is such a good fast break player that he generally creates a lot of offense that way both for himself and others. I think pretty much any team would love to have Josh and he plays a huge role on any team. Take Indiana for example. He would be positively nutty on that team playing at that pace. They lack good rebounders and 50/50 ball getters and he would immediately add that to the lineup and create tons of opportunities for Siakam/Toppin etc who want to leak. Nembhard is a pretty damn good player, but if you swapped Josh into Nembhard's spot they'd be even better.

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