blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I felt like the Knicks got a lot of help from the refs to win this one. I think NY needs to go back to it's original rotation of starting Grimes and bringing Josh off the bench. Hopefully that does something for Quickly. If Quickly can't get back on track, I'm nervous about the Knicks prospects.

That does a lot for the entire team. He still gets his 30+ mins per game, so I don't see the big deal. Knick fans love him, and he's playing with Brunson in an impactful role as a swiss army knife. But for the same reasons I did not like RJ and Randle together. I don't like Hart in that starting unit, as far as the offensive flow. But Thibs will figure out how to balance that out with his substitution patterns. Thibs is leaning on defense more than offense. The issue is Deuce is on the bench and hes our best PG defender on the team. Hart is better at guarding SGs and SFs. But there's nobody in the starting lineup who can guard quick PGs who can shoot.

This is why I felt IQ would've been a better replacement for Grimes. Then you have Hart passing to Grimes and Obi, which will get them going, especially Grimes.

Disagree with Hart not fitting with starting line up. Think he fits better with them than Grimes. Being he does not need the ball in his hands or needs to score. He helps the offense leaning JB, RJ and Randle on the defensive end. Feel Grimes struggles have been that he does not know how to fit in with such ball dominant players. He is better in the second unit. Where he would be a top two go to guy. Especially if coaching staff can remind IQ he is still in a PG role with the second unit. Sometimes IQ is too offensive minded and forgets his job is still to run the offense and get others going.

Who is this Deuce you keep talking about? Do not think we need anyone to stop a "quick" PG. For the most part the challenge has been to stop the good ball movement and ball rotation that has resulted in open shots for the Heat. Dont think it has been about stopping a quick PG who is going one on one. Do think that Deuce should get some more time but more so to run the second unit better than IQ. An of course to do his thing on defense.

Brunson - mid range shooter who scores in the paint
Hart - scores at the rim
RJ - scores at the rim
Mitch - scores at the rim
Randle - injured same ankle twice, which impacts his legs and shooting

Grimes just started to play better before he got injured. Hart is starting because grimes is injured not because he’s a better fit. You will see on Saturday because thibs is not changing anything especially after a win. Just watch hart on offense in half court. He doesn’t fit. In the second unit, Obi IQ they run more. Add RJ to the second unit rotation and they score in transition. That’s harts game.

Hart is starting because he is playing better. Period.
Don't know what you have been watching but Grimes has not been effective.
JHart looked like a pretty good fit during the big moments of the game when he sank those critical threes.

We can go back and forth about who we "Think" fits better but that is all personal opinion.
You are also talking about JHart like he has not typically been a starter.
Envisioning JHart playing better with the second unit and thinking Grimes fits better in the first has nothing to do with what has been the case recently. And Thibs will coach on actualities not what we think may happen. Still believe in Grimes long term but, like I have said all year, we need a proven player at SG. JHart has proven he is a much bigger impact than Grimes thus far. Also believe that Grimes has a better chance of getting his stroke back in the second unit where he will get more touches. Which would help out biggest weakness right now. Our second unit.

joec32033 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:RJ last 5…

23/5/4

62 ts%, 53% Fg and 37% 3fg

This is the RJ we have all been waiting for

yeah and Thibs got him out right before he could fumble passes, lose him man at the 3pt line or dribbling into the zone. He was playing GREAT but you could see bone headed RJ starting to poke out from his shell and Thibs said "Grimes.. you up"

Give credit to the Heat AND the Knicks. Heat executed a fantastic plan and stayed in the game. Knicks didnt let that beat them, stayed close and executed in crunch time. That's how it's supposed to look

Randle showed his value today. They ran the ball through him because Heat refused to let Brunson operate with space and I thought Randle sliced them up pretty well. To me he's why we win this series. We cant really stop Bam from doing his thing but he's GOT to deal with Mitch/Hart which leaves Jules free to do his thing while being covered by a wing.

I know Thibs loves Josh but he cant play him 48 minutes. We need a strong performance from the bench which we clearly arent getting. IDK how that changes.

I feel GREAT about winning a game or two in Miami

Damn Bro. Did RJ kick your dog in a past life or something?

Anyway, I'm a guy who turns off the game when we fall behind too. It hurts. And then we get our dumplings and turn it back on. But what I'll say is who before the season would have layed money the Knicks would play at least five second round play off games?

My last thought - this team wins so ugly. Reminds me a lot of a Knicks team of a somewhat recent decade. We can do our pissing and moaning about Randle's spin or RJ's three point shot or that Thibs doesn't put in Fournier, but dammit they do not fold. Love this team. Don't want to trade any of them for KAT or Dillon Brooks or whomever the hell, sorry.

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fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:I would expect iHart to have a much bigger involvement in everything next year.

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if he was on the Hear IHart would be who is because of Spoel's genius. I guess we just lucky :)

Right, especially considering Thibs never develops or plays younger guys

blkexec wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I felt like the Knicks got a lot of help from the refs to win this one. I think NY needs to go back to it's original rotation of starting Grimes and bringing Josh off the bench. Hopefully that does something for Quickly. If Quickly can't get back on track, I'm nervous about the Knicks prospects.

That does a lot for the entire team. He still gets his 30+ mins per game, so I don't see the big deal. Knick fans love him, and he's playing with Brunson in an impactful role as a swiss army knife. But for the same reasons I did not like RJ and Randle together. I don't like Hart in that starting unit, as far as the offensive flow. But Thibs will figure out how to balance that out with his substitution patterns. Thibs is leaning on defense more than offense. The issue is Deuce is on the bench and hes our best PG defender on the team. Hart is better at guarding SGs and SFs. But there's nobody in the starting lineup who can guard quick PGs who can shoot.

This is why I felt IQ would've been a better replacement for Grimes. Then you have Hart passing to Grimes and Obi, which will get them going, especially Grimes.

Disagree with Hart not fitting with starting line up. Think he fits better with them than Grimes. Being he does not need the ball in his hands or needs to score. He helps the offense leaning JB, RJ and Randle on the defensive end. Feel Grimes struggles have been that he does not know how to fit in with such ball dominant players. He is better in the second unit. Where he would be a top two go to guy. Especially if coaching staff can remind IQ he is still in a PG role with the second unit. Sometimes IQ is too offensive minded and forgets his job is still to run the offense and get others going.

Who is this Deuce you keep talking about? Do not think we need anyone to stop a "quick" PG. For the most part the challenge has been to stop the good ball movement and ball rotation that has resulted in open shots for the Heat. Dont think it has been about stopping a quick PG who is going one on one. Do think that Deuce should get some more time but more so to run the second unit better than IQ. An of course to do his thing on defense.

Brunson - mid range shooter who scores in the paint
Hart - scores at the rim
RJ - scores at the rim
Mitch - scores at the rim
Randle - injured same ankle twice, which impacts his legs and shooting

Grimes just started to play better before he got injured. Hart is starting because grimes is injured not because he’s a better fit. You will see on Saturday because thibs is not changing anything especially after a win. Just watch hart on offense in half court. He doesn’t fit. In the second unit, Obi IQ they run more. Add RJ to the second unit rotation and they score in transition. That’s harts game.

Yep, Grimes is the better fit when he's on his game. A three and D guard who doesn't hesitate to shoot the open three is what we need. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case. I'd love to see Hart creating one man fast breaks with Obi, Hart and IQ, especially in this series where easy looks are hard to come by. But Grimes needs to step in order for that to happen. Every possession matters now and we can't afford empty minutes.

I think Randle should be the one checking Butler. Maybe there's a mismatch down the line somewhere, but Randle and Butler spent time going at it in the regular season so I'm not sure if it's a problem. RJ can cover K Love defensively because Love just hangs on the perimeter.

I like that idea. It will be difficult for Jimmy Buckets to back down Randle or shoot over him. But I'm sure Thibs Rather use RJ or Hart, if thats the starting unit. And put Randle on Love to preserve his ankle from rolling again. I cringe now whenever I see Randle in traffic making plays or rebounding. And I'm sure Thibs does not want another Randle injury right now. But I agree. Especially in crunch time. Gives Butler a different look. Thibs has to keep them guessing. Otherwise Miami's real time strategies and adjustments are on point.

I think Butler gets different players on him but the last few years I thought RJ has been on him a great deal of time.

BigDaddyG wrote:
RJ guarded decrepit regular season Jimmy. Playoff Jimmy is a different level of boss villain.

But Playoff RJ has also ascended!

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I felt like the Knicks got a lot of help from the refs to win this one. I think NY needs to go back to it's original rotation of starting Grimes and bringing Josh off the bench. Hopefully that does something for Quickly. If Quickly can't get back on track, I'm nervous about the Knicks prospects.

That does a lot for the entire team. He still gets his 30+ mins per game, so I don't see the big deal. Knick fans love him, and he's playing with Brunson in an impactful role as a swiss army knife. But for the same reasons I did not like RJ and Randle together. I don't like Hart in that starting unit, as far as the offensive flow. But Thibs will figure out how to balance that out with his substitution patterns. Thibs is leaning on defense more than offense. The issue is Deuce is on the bench and hes our best PG defender on the team. Hart is better at guarding SGs and SFs. But there's nobody in the starting lineup who can guard quick PGs who can shoot.

This is why I felt IQ would've been a better replacement for Grimes. Then you have Hart passing to Grimes and Obi, which will get them going, especially Grimes.

Disagree with Hart not fitting with starting line up. Think he fits better with them than Grimes. Being he does not need the ball in his hands or needs to score. He helps the offense leaning JB, RJ and Randle on the defensive end. Feel Grimes struggles have been that he does not know how to fit in with such ball dominant players. He is better in the second unit. Where he would be a top two go to guy. Especially if coaching staff can remind IQ he is still in a PG role with the second unit. Sometimes IQ is too offensive minded and forgets his job is still to run the offense and get others going.

Who is this Deuce you keep talking about? Do not think we need anyone to stop a "quick" PG. For the most part the challenge has been to stop the good ball movement and ball rotation that has resulted in open shots for the Heat. Dont think it has been about stopping a quick PG who is going one on one. Do think that Deuce should get some more time but more so to run the second unit better than IQ. An of course to do his thing on defense.

Brunson - mid range shooter who scores in the paint
Hart - scores at the rim
RJ - scores at the rim
Mitch - scores at the rim
Randle - injured same ankle twice, which impacts his legs and shooting

Grimes just started to play better before he got injured. Hart is starting because grimes is injured not because he’s a better fit. You will see on Saturday because thibs is not changing anything especially after a win. Just watch hart on offense in half court. He doesn’t fit. In the second unit, Obi IQ they run more. Add RJ to the second unit rotation and they score in transition. That’s harts game.

Yep, Grimes is the better fit when he's on his game. A three and D guard who doesn't hesitate to shoot the open three is what we need. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case. I'd love to see Hart creating one man fast breaks with Obi, Hart and IQ, especially in this series where easy looks are hard to come by. But Grimes needs to step in order for that to happen. Every possession matters now and we can't afford empty minutes.

I think Randle should be the one checking Butler. Maybe there's a mismatch down the line somewhere, but Randle and Butler spent time going at it in the regular season so I'm not sure if it's a problem. RJ can cover K Love defensively because Love just hangs on the perimeter.

I like that idea. It will be difficult for Jimmy Buckets to back down Randle or shoot over him. But I'm sure Thibs Rather use RJ or Hart, if thats the starting unit. And put Randle on Love to preserve his ankle from rolling again. I cringe now whenever I see Randle in traffic making plays or rebounding. And I'm sure Thibs does not want another Randle injury right now. But I agree. Especially in crunch time. Gives Butler a different look. Thibs has to keep them guessing. Otherwise Miami's real time strategies and adjustments are on point.

I think Butler gets different players on him but the last few years I thought RJ has been on him a great deal of time.

RJ guarded decrepit regular season Jimmy. Playoff Jimmy is a different level of boss villain.

RJ hung 46 on Heat last season! He fears not the JImmy of post season!!!!
You want to be the man, you got to play the man.

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:RJ last 5…

23/5/4

62 ts%, 53% Fg and 37% 3fg

This is the RJ we have all been waiting for

yeah and Thibs got him out right before he could fumble passes, lose him man at the 3pt line or dribbling into the zone. He was playing GREAT but you could see bone headed RJ starting to poke out from his shell and Thibs said "Grimes.. you up"

Give credit to the Heat AND the Knicks. Heat executed a fantastic plan and stayed in the game. Knicks didnt let that beat them, stayed close and executed in crunch time. That's how it's supposed to look

Randle showed his value today. They ran the ball through him because Heat refused to let Brunson operate with space and I thought Randle sliced them up pretty well. To me he's why we win this series. We cant really stop Bam from doing his thing but he's GOT to deal with Mitch/Hart which leaves Jules free to do his thing while being covered by a wing.

I know Thibs loves Josh but he cant play him 48 minutes. We need a strong performance from the bench which we clearly arent getting. IDK how that changes.

I feel GREAT about winning a game or two in Miami

Damn Bro. Did RJ kick your dog in a past life or something?

RJ's a tough kid but most of my dogs would have eaten him. Why do you ask?

No reason. Just a hunch.

joec32033 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:RJ last 5…

23/5/4

62 ts%, 53% Fg and 37% 3fg

This is the RJ we have all been waiting for

yeah and Thibs got him out right before he could fumble passes, lose him man at the 3pt line or dribbling into the zone. He was playing GREAT but you could see bone headed RJ starting to poke out from his shell and Thibs said "Grimes.. you up"

Give credit to the Heat AND the Knicks. Heat executed a fantastic plan and stayed in the game. Knicks didnt let that beat them, stayed close and executed in crunch time. That's how it's supposed to look

Randle showed his value today. They ran the ball through him because Heat refused to let Brunson operate with space and I thought Randle sliced them up pretty well. To me he's why we win this series. We cant really stop Bam from doing his thing but he's GOT to deal with Mitch/Hart which leaves Jules free to do his thing while being covered by a wing.

I know Thibs loves Josh but he cant play him 48 minutes. We need a strong performance from the bench which we clearly arent getting. IDK how that changes.

I feel GREAT about winning a game or two in Miami

Damn Bro. Did RJ kick your dog in a past life or something?

RJ's a tough kid but most of my dogs would have eaten him. Why do you ask?

No reason. Just a hunch.