HofstraBBall wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I don't like it. It doesn't make sense unless there is a follow up trade. Hart is a nice player but I don't think he moves the needle and we gave up a pick in the process. We're getting a player who is currently averaging 33 mpg and where exactly is he going to play? One of the best parts of this season were the young guys like Grimes and Deuce being a part of it. Deuce especially was starting to come around and started hitting shots and now he's going to be buried. And for what?

Dumb trade imho.

The needle has been moved.
JHart is the glue guy we needed.

This the BS I’m talking about Hofstra. Why? What’s the point? Is it a thrill you have? Did you reply when serg first wrote that? Of wait until after hart is now 5-0 to step on his post. There’s several posters like Briggs who does this all the time, and thankfully he still keeps it moving. Because I enjoy Briggs in the moment thinking. Write or wrong it’s his honest feedback in the moment. Knee jerk reaction? Sure. But it encourages discussion and doesn’t kill it.

Sorry but it’s a waste of energy to me, and potentially creates unnecessary dialogue. For example:

Sergio was right. At the time it was dumb. Deuce was playing well and developing. Why bring in a vet to take away from development when the yoots are developing well. Grimes mins was also cut back so his development takes a back seat. See what I just did. Potentially start a negative discussion when everything is so positive right now. Maybe I’m just getting old and maybe I’m in my “get off my lawn old man moment”

Some might be defensive about it and that creates chat emotional responses, depending on the person and how the person is feeling. Serg is fine I’m sure but just calling this out and showing how it can force a negative long interaction. Small and maybe a little weak of an example but anyway.

Hart is definitely the glue guy we needed. And I’m not worried about deuce being buried. I’m more excited for deuce to have a mentor he can learn from. It’s a fine balance between developing and winning. And the hart is that perfectly balanced move without disrupting the chemistry. Excellent job by the FO with this move.

At least deuce got his chance and fans got to see how he looks against other nba players. That’s all deuce fans was asking for. Shout out to thibs for having a set of players he like and sticking with them. U can tell he loved hart from day 1. Perfect glue guy.

blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I don't like it. It doesn't make sense unless there is a follow up trade. Hart is a nice player but I don't think he moves the needle and we gave up a pick in the process. We're getting a player who is currently averaging 33 mpg and where exactly is he going to play? One of the best parts of this season were the young guys like Grimes and Deuce being a part of it. Deuce especially was starting to come around and started hitting shots and now he's going to be buried. And for what?

Dumb trade imho.

The needle has been moved.
JHart is the glue guy we needed.

This the BS i;m talking about Hofstra. Why? What's the point? Is it a thrill you have? Did you reply when serg first wrote that? Of wait until after hart is now 5-0 to step on his post. There;s several posters like Briggs who does this all the time, and thankfully he still keeps it moving. Because I enjoy Briggs in the moment thinking. Write or wrong it;s his honest feedback in the moment. Knee jerk reaction? Sure. But it encourages discussion and doesn;t kill it.

Sorry but it;s a waste of energy to me, and potentially creates unnecessary dialogue. For example:

Sergio was right. At the time it was dumb. Deuce was playing well and developing. Why bring in a vet to take away from development when the yoots are developing well. Grimes mins was also cut back so his development takes a back seat. See what I just did. Potentially start a negative discussion when everything is so positive right now. Maybe I;m just getting old and maybe Im in my ;get off my lawn old man moment;

Some might be defensive about it and that creates chat emotional responses, depending on the person and how the person is feeling. Serg is fine I;m sure but just calling this out and showing how it can force a negative long interaction. Small and maybe a little weak of an example but anyway.

Hart is definitely the glue guy we needed. And I;m not worried about deuce being buried. I;m more excited for deuce to have a mentor he can learn from. It;s a fine balance between developing and winning. And the hart is that perfectly balanced move without disrupting the chemistry. Excellent job by the FO with this move.

At least deuce got his chance and fans got to see how he looks against other nba players. Thats all deuce fans was asking for. Shout out to thibs for having a set of players he like and sticking with them. U can tell he loved hart from day 1. Perfect glue guy.

I don't see it that way. Your on a fan site, basically an opinion board. If everyone is posting stuff that is forgotten the moment after it's posted, what's the point? It's all a bunch of noise. Especially in the case of posting something negative. The dialogue is this: 'i come to this site because i love the Knicks enough to read other people's opinions about them, HOWEVER i have this negative feeling about this aspect of the team (in this case Sergio didn't like the trade). " Any such person should be THRILLED to have been wrong about it and the important thing (the Knicks got better!) should be more important to him than his ego and he should say, "no worries! I am SO happy my worry was for nothing. I eat crow willingly!"

For a different type of poster that actually doesn't love the Knicks and comes to pay negative stuff just to get under the skin of Knicks fans, well that poster can just **** off.

Likewise, the overly positive/unrealistic posters don't contribute much at least to my experience, as just being Rah, Rah 100% of the time is just not in touch with reality.
As others have said this is a sports conversation among consenting adults. What's the big deal. If you can't take being wrong and being told so, don't post it.

What’s our record over those 7 games w/o adding josh hart?

If it’s not 7-0 then josh hart acquisition is shining a bright light on the savyness of this FO. They are truly playing chess. On top of that, we have a chance to get Dallas and Washington pick? Executive of the year Leon Rose. Josh hart has been one of the best acquisitions in the nba this season and possibly in nba history 2nd to our own Dave DeBusschere.

fishmike wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:Spent 3 first round picks (counting the pick expended on selecting Knox) to pander to RJ and JB by acquiring their college buddies. Wonder how RJ feels now that the Knicks are pandering to JB instead of him.
Looks like the FO really hates the idea of adding rookies to the roster.
And fixated on getting into the playoffs this season by any means necessary, future be damned.
Might as well kill the double-draft thread now.

People keep saying three picks but that Charlotte pick is highly unlikely to convey and will become two seconds. Of course Knox was a waste but not the fault of the FO. As hating adding rookies let’s see IQ, Obi, Grimes, Sims, Deuce…okay whatever.

yeah... future be damned is an overreaction to say the least. We got a quality rotation guy for a garbage player and a lottery protected pick in a draft we have at least 1 FRP

nobody who said this trade was dumb was right. We had multiple late first rounders and used one (and not even our best pick in that draft) for a 27 year old who perfectly fits our system, coach and can help right away.

Have fun with the "gotcha" stuff. Martin literally just called me out for trashing Brunson last year. Its like playing poker with friends. You mad cause Deuces is your favorite player so I get it.

GustavBahler wrote:Love how JHart plays with a chip on his shoulder. Believe its been just as important as the numbers he's been putting up during this winning streak. Definitely a quality we will need plenty of in the playoffs.

Exactly. You build your team around guys like this. Then land a superstar to take you to the finals. Eventhough I believe we have what it takes now. But if we lose we only a superstar or 1 more smart move away from erasing this 50 yr drought.

SergioNYK wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Love how JHart plays with a chip on his shoulder. Believe its been just as important as the numbers he's been putting up during this winning streak. Definitely a quality we will need plenty of in the playoffs.

Hart is way better than I expected. He's exactly what we needed. But it's weird how he's bounced around the league so much. Hopefully he can keep up his strong play and we can bring him up long term at a reasonable price. Breen says it best, Hart could have played on those 90s Knicks.

LA traded him to New Orleans with Ingram to get Anthony Davis. New Orleans traded him to get CJ McCollum. Im not sure there's a lot to read into as he's someone that is attractive for a team to acquire. Not a superstar, but the very definition of the kind of guy who makes everything else on your team work better because of what he brings to the table in terms of energy/hustle/defense/intensity.

I just didn't know he was gonna hit every clutch 3. I hope that lasts!

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:We are 7-0 since the josh hart trade.

What’s our record over those 7 games w/o adding josh hart?

If it’s not 7-0 then josh hart acquisition is shining a bright light on the savyness of this FO. They are truly playing chess. On top of that, we have a chance to get Dallas and Washington pick? Executive of the year Leon Rose. Josh hart has been one of the best acquisitions in the nba this season and possibly in nba history 2nd to our own Dave DeBusschere.

Not sure I got 7 games as “best trade since Bellamy-Komives for Debusschere” but its all good thus far!
It Think Cazzie for Lucas was great because Jerry was key in our 1973 team as reed was having bad knee issues most of the season.
Stallworth and Riordan for Earl?
Starks and whats his name for Spree?
Cartright for Oak was a better fit with ewing.

Now, if we get to finals i’ll put him up there with a trade that completed us and defined an era!
Hey, its looking like a very good trade! Nothing bad. Just not epic franchise changing. But it could still happen!

I may have said it wrong, but they (clyde) was talking about this last night. And depending on the category, and how you phrase the question, Josh Hart was second behind Debusschere. Regardless where he ranks (I'm not too hung up on that), it appears this was a perfect fit. Add in the J. Brunson contract and Leon Rose is sitting pretty right now. You mentioned some names that go way way back. Thats solid Knick history right there. I was born but too young to remember anything. I'm a starks fan, but do not remember that trade for spree. Will have to do a little google searching after this chat.

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Love how JHart plays with a chip on his shoulder. Believe its been just as important as the numbers he's been putting up during this winning streak. Definitely a quality we will need plenty of in the playoffs.

Hart is way better than I expected. He's exactly what we needed. But it's weird how he's bounced around the league so much. Hopefully he can keep up his strong play and we can bring him up long term at a reasonable price. Breen says it best, Hart could have played on those 90s Knicks.

LA traded him to New Orleans with Ingram to get Anthony Davis. New Orleans traded him to get CJ McCollum. Im not sure there's a lot to read into as he's someone that is attractive for a team to acquire. Not a superstar, but the very definition of the kind of guy who makes everything else on your team work better because of what he brings to the table in terms of energy/hustle/defense/intensity.

I just didn't know he was gonna hit every clutch 3. I hope that lasts!

he's moved around cause he got trades for really good players. There's no way we dont resign him (unless he opts in for some reason. Maybe he does AND we extend him so he's got 5 years).

He's the perfect Thibs role player. Spot starter. 28mpg core guy with good scoring chops, awesome open court player and full speed on both ends. High IQ. Willing passer. We like Reggie. He's Reggie on roids. He reminds me a lot of Doug Christie.

Just an awesome player to have in your rotation. Especially when you don't ask too much. This is the perfect spot. Complimentary scorer. 2ndary defender. He's starter quality and a nightmare off the bench for other teams

From what I remember of Christie's game they have similar qualities. I remember Christie crediting JVG's advice to go all in on becoming a great defender. And he did just that at his next stop. Hart might have his own "renaissance" in NY.

As far as personality, I see a whole lotta Starks on the court.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Love how JHart plays with a chip on his shoulder. Believe its been just as important as the numbers he's been putting up during this winning streak. Definitely a quality we will need plenty of in the playoffs.

Hart is way better than I expected. He's exactly what we needed. But it's weird how he's bounced around the league so much. Hopefully he can keep up his strong play and we can bring him up long term at a reasonable price. Breen says it best, Hart could have played on those 90s Knicks.

LA traded him to New Orleans with Ingram to get Anthony Davis. New Orleans traded him to get CJ McCollum. Im not sure there's a lot to read into as he's someone that is attractive for a team to acquire. Not a superstar, but the very definition of the kind of guy who makes everything else on your team work better because of what he brings to the table in terms of energy/hustle/defense/intensity.

I just didn't know he was gonna hit every clutch 3. I hope that lasts!

he's moved around cause he got trades for really good players. There's no way we dont resign him (unless he opts in for some reason. Maybe he does AND we extend him so he's got 5 years).

He's the perfect Thibs role player. Spot starter. 28mpg core guy with good scoring chops, awesome open court player and full speed on both ends. High IQ. Willing passer. We like Reggie. He's Reggie on roids. He reminds me a lot of Doug Christie.

Just an awesome player to have in your rotation. Especially when you don't ask too much. This is the perfect spot. Complimentary scorer. 2ndary defender. He's starter quality and a nightmare off the bench for other teams

From what I remember of Christie's game they have similar qualities. I remember Christie crediting JVG's advice to go all in on becoming a great defender. And he did just that at his next stop. Hart might have his own "renaissance" in NY.

As far as personality, I see a whole lotta Starks on the court.

Christie was a defensive stud first, but eventually really became a reliable scorer. He was in the Camby deal (I think) and really had some good season on Tor and prolly got more attention as a member of the cowbell CWebb Kings. At 27 Josh Hart feels like that guy. He only "averages" 12ppg which doesnt look impressive but its really like 5 points one night and 20 the next in a "whatever the team needs" fashion

blkexec wrote:We are 7-0 since the josh hart trade.

What’s our record over those 7 games w/o adding josh hart?

If it’s not 7-0 then josh hart acquisition is shining a bright light on the savyness of this FO. They are truly playing chess. On top of that, we have a chance to get Dallas and Washington pick? Executive of the year Leon Rose. Josh hart has been one of the best acquisitions in the nba this season and possibly in nba history 2nd to our own Dave DeBusschere.

We got a 25mpg+ rotation player that filled a defensive and playmaking gap (he's better at a lot of things that RJ/Grimes aren't known for) and lost nothing "today". I was skeptical because of his size but he plays bigger than he is - and in this fast moving NBA, quickness and toughness are perhaps more important than height. (in a slower grind-it out NBA, height was more valuable than it is now)

I was thinking about what our record might be w/o this trade.
If all else happened in the world and we hadn't made the trade, 7-0 was still at least a remote possibility; 4-3 would have been a safe bet.

Jazz: coin flip (Jazz in disarray with trades)
Nets: win (Nets in disarray with trades)
Hawks: coin-flip (we've owned the Hawks; last game for McMillan?)
Wizards: coin-flip/loss (KP, Kuzma, and Beal all suited up and played pretty well; but Mitch was back)
Pelicans: win (Pelicans just got news of a Zion setback)
Celtics: coin-flip/loss (Brown missed the game, but Smart, White, and RW3 all played)
Nets: win (Nets still in disarray with trades)