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martin
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7/20/2021  1:43 PM
martin wrote:

He's the one free agent i would be shocked if he's back. Knicks just don't need to pay him with Mitch, Taj, and possibly a rookie or another vet big man on a 1-year contract. It's just too easy to get quality backup bigs, and Noel will be paid like a starter and probably be starting somewhere next year. Although Mitch was hurt most of the year, my assumption is he is healthy now and has all summer to get himself back in rhythm.
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7/20/2021  3:52 PM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:

He's the one free agent i would be shocked if he's back. Knicks just don't need to pay him with Mitch, Taj, and possibly a rookie or another vet big man on a 1-year contract. It's just too easy to get quality backup bigs, and Noel will be paid like a starter and probably be starting somewhere next year. Although Mitch was hurt most of the year, my assumption is he is healthy now and has all summer to get himself back in rhythm.

We should see if we can S&T him somewhere. Even if all we get back is a one year contract and some second rounders.

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7/20/2021  7:11 PM
If the front office decides to maintain cap flexibility for 2022 to get a max player(Lavin or Beal), how much can they still spend for this year? Can they still have enough to address the starting point long term and maybe a 1 year overpay SF to make the team competitive? Who are the pg and SF that could fit? Will a trade work better?
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7/20/2021  7:17 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:If the front office decides to maintain cap flexibility for 2022 to get a max player(Lavin or Beal), how much can they still spend for this year? Can they still have enough to address the starting point long term and maybe a 1 year overpay SF to make the team competitive? Who are the pg and SF that could fit? Will a trade work better?

Multi year about 15 Mil not including the rookies.

On a 1 on 1 deal we can max out.

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7/20/2021  7:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/20/2021  7:32 PM
15M is not that much! I wont get Lonzo. If they decide to go after a max in 2022, maybe its better to use all their picks to strengthen the roster and develop them for a year. Maybe draft Cooper, Murphy and Grimes and use the 58th pick on a european draft and stash.
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7/20/2021  7:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/20/2021  7:42 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:15M is not that much! I wont get Lonzo. If they decide to go after a max in 2022, maybe its better to use all their picks to strengthen the roster and develop them for a year. Maybe draft Cooper, Murphy and Grimes and use the 58th pick on a european draft and stash.

They can afford Lonzo by trading Knox. That would get the Knicks up to $20 long term. The biggest thing that would hinder the ability to get Lonzo and then Beal/Lavine would be Randle’s caphold. If they don’t let him walk, they would be smarter to extend him because the max extension is less than what his caphold would be next year.

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7/21/2021  8:57 AM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:

He's the one free agent i would be shocked if he's back. Knicks just don't need to pay him with Mitch, Taj, and possibly a rookie or another vet big man on a 1-year contract. It's just too easy to get quality backup bigs, and Noel will be paid like a starter and probably be starting somewhere next year. Although Mitch was hurt most of the year, my assumption is he is healthy now and has all summer to get himself back in rhythm.

Agree. I thought that even Pelle showed potential last season as a serviceable backup C who can grab boards and rim protect
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7/21/2021  8:59 AM
wargames wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:15M is not that much! I wont get Lonzo. If they decide to go after a max in 2022, maybe its better to use all their picks to strengthen the roster and develop them for a year. Maybe draft Cooper, Murphy and Grimes and use the 58th pick on a european draft and stash.

They can afford Lonzo by trading Knox. That would get the Knicks up to $20 long term. The biggest thing that would hinder the ability to get Lonzo and then Beal/Lavine would be Randle’s caphold. If they don’t let him walk, they would be smarter to extend him because the max extension is less than what his caphold would be next year.

Knox’s value is nothing right now. Pels are going to ask for a package including RJ or Obi + IQ. F that. I like Lonzo and want him to but we’re better off keeping our young assets and signing a UFA pg
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7/22/2021  10:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2021  10:51 AM
In the news, Bullock is looking for the full MLE and a number of Teams are interested. He would 'love' to stay in NY.

Kelly Oubre did a long live interview on SNY TV. It's worth a watch, it seems like he is publicly lobbying the Knicks for a contract. I wasn't a fan before the interview but after watching it, he seems like he really wants to be part of the team.

Begley keeps stressing the Knicks desire to keep salary open for next season. An interesting note, signing Rose to a one year deal would give the Knicks full bird rights next off season. I'm not sure if adding Oubre for more than a one year deal makes sense, but you have to think the Knicks have a higher ceiling with Oubre vs. Bullock.
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7/22/2021  11:51 AM
gradyandrew wrote:In the news, Bullock is looking for the full MLE and a number of Teams are interested. He would 'love' to stay in NY.

Kelly Oubre did a long live interview on SNY TV. It's worth a watch, it seems like he is publicly lobbying the Knicks for a contract. I wasn't a fan before the interview but after watching it, he seems like he really wants to be part of the team.

Begley keeps stressing the Knicks desire to keep salary open for next season. An interesting note, signing Rose to a one year deal would give the Knicks full bird rights next off season. I'm not sure if adding Oubre for more than a one year deal makes sense, but you have to think the Knicks have a higher ceiling with Oubre vs. Bullock.

Agreed. I gotta guess that Oubre is hunting for a spot to land where he has a starting position and within a team environment where he thinks he can thrive for that next contract.

I can definitely see a 1 year deal ala Noel, Burks

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7/22/2021  12:16 PM
Just checking the list of FA point guards. I think these,guys seriously limit the amount of assets the Knicks would be willing to give up for Sexton. They are;

Goran Dragic
Schroeder
Dinwiddie
Ball
Rose
Jackson
Graham
Payne
Nunn

There are also other guys but these guys all look like a definite step up from Payton. What if the Knicks keep their picks and Knox, pay one of these guys a 15 million one year deal, then make Sexton an offer next season as a RFA.
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7/22/2021  12:49 PM
This is a good article on the best free agents available:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2021-nba-free-agency-45-players-who-could-be-available-from-chris-paul-to-t-j-mcconnell/
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7/22/2021  10:04 PM
How do you guys feel about THT? Three years/27-30M might do it.

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7/23/2021  3:30 AM
http://spotrac.com has a really neat tool for managing rosters. It really gives you a good idea of what the Knicks might do. The Knicks can open 32 million in space around their 2 first round picks and this roster:

pg: Vildoza, Rose
Sg: Barrett, Quickley
Sf: Knox
Pf: Randle, Toppin, Gibson
C: Robinson, Pelle

That's 10 guys plus two picks is 12. Knicks could also use the 5 million dollar room exception. If they did, they could have one 5 million free agent and 2 worth 32 million.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/manage/00a117903b41a75e8489d31321b6891090c4101a/
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7/23/2021  4:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2021  4:52 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:How do you guys feel about THT? Three years/27-30M might do it.

He put up some great numbers last year in the preseason, looked like he was ready to have a breakout year, lots of buzz about the work he'd put in the offseason, then the regular season started and he didn't get many minutes and fizzled out. So who know's whether he was ready for a breakout but got buried in a minutes crunch, or whether he was just having a fluke preseason- reminds mea bit of that Blazer SG who got a big gamble contract that turned out to be awful (didn't he end up on the nets? I've forgotten his name). Lakers claimed they would match anything, but then there are rumors of him being moved with others for CP3 or something.

EDIT: sorry, it's THT, Schroeder and someone else for Westbrook that I read was being discussed (no idea if it's true)
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7/23/2021  4:50 AM
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:How do you guys feel about THT? Three years/27-30M might do it.

He put up some great numbers last year in the preseason, looked like he was ready to have a breakout year, lots of buzz about the work he'd put in the offseason, then the regular season started and he didn't get many minutes and fizzled out. So who know's whether he was ready for a breakout but got buried in a minutes crunch, or whether he was just having a fluke preseason- reminds mea bit of that Blazer SG who got a big gamble contract that turned out to be awful (didn't he end up on the nets? I've forgotten his name). Lakers claimed they would match anything, but then there are rumours of him being moved with others for CP3 or something.


We could offer a crazy deal similar to what the Rockets offered Lin, but back loaded.
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7/23/2021  8:12 AM
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:How do you guys feel about THT? Three years/27-30M might do it.

He put up some great numbers last year in the preseason, looked like he was ready to have a breakout year, lots of buzz about the work he'd put in the offseason, then the regular season started and he didn't get many minutes and fizzled out. So who know's whether he was ready for a breakout but got buried in a minutes crunch, or whether he was just having a fluke preseason- reminds mea bit of that Blazer SG who got a big gamble contract that turned out to be awful (didn't he end up on the nets? I've forgotten his name). Lakers claimed they would match anything, but then there are rumors of him being moved with others for CP3 or something.

EDIT: sorry, it's THT, Schroeder and someone else for Westbrook that I read was being discussed (no idea if it's true)

I think you’re referring to A.Crabbe. Briggs loved him back when he thought the path to success was mimic GS

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gradyandrew wrote:http://spotrac.com has a really neat tool for managing rosters. It really gives you a good idea of what the Knicks might do. The Knicks can open 32 million in space around their 2 first round picks and this roster:

pg: Vildoza, Rose
Sg: Barrett, Quickley
Sf: Knox
Pf: Randle, Toppin, Gibson
C: Robinson, Pelle

That's 10 guys plus two picks is 12. Knicks could also use the 5 million dollar room exception. If they did, they could have one 5 million free agent and 2 worth 32 million.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/manage/00a117903b41a75e8489d31321b6891090c4101a/

oh wow, thanks for this.

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Chandler wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:How do you guys feel about THT? Three years/27-30M might do it.

He put up some great numbers last year in the preseason, looked like he was ready to have a breakout year, lots of buzz about the work he'd put in the offseason, then the regular season started and he didn't get many minutes and fizzled out. So who know's whether he was ready for a breakout but got buried in a minutes crunch, or whether he was just having a fluke preseason- reminds mea bit of that Blazer SG who got a big gamble contract that turned out to be awful (didn't he end up on the nets? I've forgotten his name). Lakers claimed they would match anything, but then there are rumors of him being moved with others for CP3 or something.

EDIT: sorry, it's THT, Schroeder and someone else for Westbrook that I read was being discussed (no idea if it's true)

I think you’re referring to A.Crabbe. Briggs loved him back when he thought the path to success was mimic GS

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