SupremeCommander wrote:I personally love the trade... I am not someone who thinks minutes freely given to yoots is valuable--Fizz anyone? I think what is infinitely more valuable is seeing a former MVP in action. I also think seeing players and the front office colloborate on WINNING is the most important training a player can get. also, maybe this is too old school, but I think the best way for a young player to develop is to take minutes away from vets by earning minutes

Rose is not the same guy we got from Chicago. At that point he still thought he was going to be the MVP type player he was pre-injury. He and everyone else knows that is not the case anymore. He's embraced the role as bench scorer and does that very well.

Its funny hearing people talk about "stat padding" or playing for another contract. Rose does not need big NBA money. He just needs to be in the league. He's got a 14 year $200mm contract with Adidas. All he's got to do is be on an NBA roster, and for Rose at 32 he wants to be happy. He's getting a do-over in NY, he's outright said "my job is to come here and teach the kids" and he's reunited with Thibs and their bromance is well documented.

So to recap we got a player our head coach trusts and likes.
We got a player playing well and healthy for literally nothing at a position of need.
We gave up a guy we are letting walk and a mid 2nd rounder.
We got a guy coming in embracing the role of building and teaching and he's not played a minute yet

Some of the stuff being said in this thread is a little over the top. Like we barely escaped the hole of not signing Maurice NDour or whoever the phuck that guy was and people are losing their minds because we got a good bench scorer for nothing.

Rose is gonna help us win games.

Jmpasq wrote:With no true alpha in Rose's eyes on this team he is going to chuck a shot every 2 possesions. He is going to destroy the teams chemistry. This is a horrendus move but not suprising. Don't know why I expected competence. He is going to freeze out Barrett such a huge mistake

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You are right about thing tho... based on who went to dinner with him he did freeze out RJ

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:With no true alpha in Rose's eyes on this team he is going to chuck a shot every 2 possesions. He is going to destroy the teams chemistry. This is a horrendus move but not suprising. Don't know why I expected competence. He is going to freeze out Barrett such a huge mistake

my god what a drama queen.... but so long as you are talking about destroying chemistry there's this:

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You are right about thing tho... based on who went to dinner with him he did freeze out RJ

That’s a very nice thing to read! Definitely makes one feel much better about the trade. We can’t do anything about how much time Thibs plays people and I will agree that the youth earning their minutes is more important than being given.

So, I really hope this ends up well for all sides and both Quick and Obi can improve with the presence of Rose and his knowledge of Thibs’ playbook.

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Jmpasq wrote:With no true alpha in Rose's eyes on this team he is going to chuck a shot every 2 possesions. He is going to destroy the teams chemistry. This is a horrendus move but not suprising. Don't know why I expected competence. He is going to freeze out Barrett such a huge mistake

my god what a drama queen.... but so long as you are talking about destroying chemistry there's this:

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You are right about thing tho... based on who went to dinner with him he did freeze out RJ

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:1) Derrick Rose is an upgrade over DSJ. You can question whether he would be worth a 2nd and that has to be proven true or false.
2) 2018 Rose (the last time he played for Thibs) is a valuable upgrade.
3) Rose has never had a negative dWAR in his career.
4) By obtaining him now, assuming we re-sign him to be part of Thibs core, we get his early bird rights and a low cap hold.
5) Some don’t agree with PER, but his PER the last few years would put him 3rd on this team (or higher).

For me, the issue is only whether his minutes come from Quickley. I’m already upset with Rivers getting Quicks minutes. The only thing I can think of is that Thibs didn’t like Quick’s swimming act and cut his minutes. If Rose’s minutes come from Rivers or Elf, specifically when they are playing terrible, I have no issue here.

This FO (as opposed to years past) has a lot of credibility. Only thing bothering me is the quick hook on the yoots. But if the make the playoffs, all is forgiven.

Haha your post was so good up until that point. Doubt Thibs carried one iota. Elf had a really good game against Portland and deserved his minutes. Against Miami, they were blizzing IQ and trapping the hell out of him and he didn't know how to counter that or get out of it. Elf had a decent defensive game against Miami and literally badly missed the same layups he was making against Portland. If he had made 2 more, Knicks have legit shot at winning game and no one cares.

Yeah, that’s a bit crazy. I can’t understand why Quick lost his minutes though. Elf was having a great game for a bit, but when he was stinking it up... meanwhile, I don’t recall Rivers being particularly productive since he went 10/10. Kind of used all his mojo in one run.

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:1) Derrick Rose is an upgrade over DSJ. You can question whether he would be worth a 2nd and that has to be proven true or false.
2) 2018 Rose (the last time he played for Thibs) is a valuable upgrade.
3) Rose has never had a negative dWAR in his career.
4) By obtaining him now, assuming we re-sign him to be part of Thibs core, we get his early bird rights and a low cap hold.
5) Some don’t agree with PER, but his PER the last few years would put him 3rd on this team (or higher).

For me, the issue is only whether his minutes come from Quickley. I’m already upset with Rivers getting Quicks minutes. The only thing I can think of is that Thibs didn’t like Quick’s swimming act and cut his minutes. If Rose’s minutes come from Rivers or Elf, specifically when they are playing terrible, I have no issue here.

This FO (as opposed to years past) has a lot of credibility. Only thing bothering me is the quick hook on the yoots. But if the make the playoffs, all is forgiven.

Haha your post was so good up until that point. Doubt Thibs carried one iota. Elf had a really good game against Portland and deserved his minutes. Against Miami, they were blizzing IQ and trapping the hell out of him and he didn't know how to counter that or get out of it. Elf had a decent defensive game against Miami and literally badly missed the same layups he was making against Portland. If he had made 2 more, Knicks have legit shot at winning game and no one cares.

Yeah, that’s a bit crazy. I can’t understand why Quick lost his minutes though. Elf was having a great game for a bit, but when he was stinking it up... meanwhile, I don’t recall Rivers being particularly productive since he went 10/10. Kind of used all his mojo in one run.

IQ picks up his dribble at times for no particular reason and he doesn't see hard traps coming. I can't remember if in those situations he turned the ball over a lot but the potential was there. It's a rookie PG thing and he'll get over that hump soon

I don't recall anyone on the Knicks handling the trap particularly well. The team was slow to find the open man coming out of the trap. That being said, IQ does pick up his dribble and also leaves his feet when passing entirely too much. I agree, he will work out of this as he develops.

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Wonder if he mentioned if that situation was on the Knicks or another team