TripleThreat wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Problem is the draft after the third spot seems overloaded with Sg's- are any of those options really much better than what we have (dotson, Frank and trier). Meanwhile it seems pretty light at PF, which is the position we seem to need if KD and Kyrie sign. ...

I do think we're in trouble if we fall to 4th or 5th ...

4th or 5th screws us

You approach each situation as it comes and do the best you can given the time and place.

Sam Hinkie wanted Zinger. His ownership overruled him and told him to take Jahlil Okafor. He said Zinger will be something special. They said so will Okafor. If Hinkie got to actually do what he wanted, the Knicks would have probably taken Okafor.

You can't control where you pick ( Unless you buy a franchise for a record price, then you'll be gifted a top overall pick at some point) and you can't control who gets picked in front of you.

Wing has the highest positional value in the entire league. If the Jets had 4 elite cornerbacks, they'd still be drafting cornerback projects in the drafts later rounds. If the Mets had 7 good starting pitchers, they'd still be working hard to mine more SP prospects on all levels. You can never have too much good pitching. You can never have too many good cornerbacks. You can never have too many wings/wing prospects in the NBA.

You can find a serviceable stretch 4 on the open market in the lower tiers of FA. If you want to find a functional wing, it will cost you dearly.

The Knicks just need to take the Best Player Available when they pick. That's it. Need based drafting matters in a situation like the Warriors or the Kobe/Shaq Lakers or a team already in the top 3 team/contention window in the entire league. You pick the guy you believe in and that you feel will be the most productive in the NBA.

Get as much talent as you can in the draft, worry about the rest later. This is a common criticism of Hinkie when he picked Noel, Okafor and Embiid. Too many big men. If he felt they were the best on the board ( sans Okafor who was pushed onto him), then so be it.

If the player has talent, you can find something to do with him or trade him later.

Good take. "Draft best player". Logical. Too many

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/06/draft-notes-realistic-jarrett-culver/

Some comps: Khris Middleton, Steve Smith, Joe Johnson, Jalen Rose, Jim Jackson... Evan Turner.
Summary: Versatile player. Sophomore. Not an elite athlete (ie not Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill)

The gist is there are lots of draft value questions - much of his upside is based on him 1) improving his perimeter shot (can't predict) OR 2) growing to 6'8"-6'10".

Banking on a player growing a few inches after the draft is not a draft strategy. :) However if he measures in the 6'8" range, it'd certainly boost his stock a bit.

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Cartman718 wrote:I mean seriously? 13 for 13?

After a few weeks of tankathon, I no longer have hope that we'll land the number 1 pick so it pains me to see how good Zion is

smackeddog wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:I mean seriously? 13 for 13?

After a few weeks of tankathon, I no longer have hope that we'll land the number 1 pick so it pains me to see how good Zion is

There is only now. Our yoots really are not that good, the house, for all intents and purposes, with the exception of a few extraneous parts and our problem child owner, is clean. No real starphuchs, no "face of the franchise" no savior. nothing but upper echelon G-league rookies and sophs. We got picks and cash. This leads to hope, and is a good thing, but that's all there is for the future.

To me, it feels strangely alot like 1985. But it just as well may not be.
If we get Zion, good. Can't live life hoping to win the lottery. 268 million people will be whining along with you, what's the point.

Play the games. Watch, if you can stand it. If you can't stand it, go outside and play some ball. I'm 56. It's never too late.

Nalod wrote:

keddog wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:I mean seriously? 13 for 13?

After a few weeks of tankathon, I no longer have hope that we'll land the number 1 pick so it pains me to see how good Zion is

Its something we all have to live with. While what we witnessed last nite was super impressive we look at that body and power and thinking "never seen a basketball player look like that".....and thus doubts.
Is possible this draft is a one pony show or others in his shadow pale in comparison but are undervalued hype because of it.
Nalod does not know.
Reddish looks lost when Zion is on the floor. Zion just eats everthing in front of him. He steals the ball, rebounds, and scores.
Losing has its benefits but little is apparent when it happens. Losing sucks. If we had a team of vets and were tuned out, I'd be very concerned.
For sure it would be preferable to NOT lose but with the youth we have its palatable. If our youth was better we'd not lose as much.
Since we tend to extrapolate the present into the future, and media sells anger we get doses of negativity which repeats itself.
Winning cures that. Winning is not the current order. the only thing that validates success is winning. The rest is conjecture.
Nalod is full of conjecture.

I don't know why you're saying he looks lost when Zion is on the floor. Cam's also terrible when Zion isn't on the floor.

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