gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:You do the math

"Our number one priority is to make certain Obama is a one-term President"

- Mitch McConnell

... repeat, number one priority. Ergo, it is primarily about the loss of power. For Republicans, for people who live with fear of "the other."

It deferentially never worked.
And this is exactly what is my point about - the only goal all our politicians have is to hold on to the power.
Let them... I do not care much. I am building my life the way it is not affected by this circus.

I think that is the only realistic approach. These arguements between the have and have nots will continue. This country is so deeply divided. We will be arguing about the same things til the dawn of time. Until socialism takes precedent and we self destruct. It's too polarizing on both sides to ever reach common ground. Even with a goodwilled leaders who's number one intention is unifying the nation.

Have and Have Nots, eh? Is that who populate the two sides of the gun debate? Or the ridiculous Joe McCarthy War on Communism side conversation you guys were having?

We can reach common ground, thought we might have something going in this thread but controversy is sexy in internet forums and the rest of the media.

You can laud capitalism all you want but then own that the profit motive makes sure our newscasts and tabloids and culture cling to the lowest-common denominator. Three weeks ago everyone was wondering about Orlando and I haven't heard a peep because it's more profitable to talk about Pokemon Go I guess.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

arkrud wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

arkrud wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Yea Obama really screwed up by not having his great Dressing Down Black America speech. Don't worry guys, he's leaving.

So anybody have any ideas how to make things better or do we want to keep on wagging our finger from the comfort of our keyboards?

I put in my thoughts about gun control.
The race issue in my opinion should be settled between African Americans and white America.
I am a new immigrant and it is not of my business to deal with.
I do not have enough knowledge and feel for the issue so will be off base for sure.
To tell the truth it looks ugly from outside and kind of helpless.
You leaved side by side for 2 hundred years already so I hope you will get together sooner or later somehow.

I don't even know why I keep coming back to this thread. This whole Black America needs to deal with its **** before I give a **** type of approach is something I find very telling.This expectation that Barack Obama needs to just give a Cosby-style speech to an oppressed ethnic group he essentially married into... with a yea yea yea you struggled but <insert other ethnic group here> had it tough too... with a lack of perspective about our history here.

arkrud you talk about the ideals of the Constitution as if it didn't refer to "3/5"ths of a human being. Human being as chattel used to pad Census figures — and the Fugitive Slave Clause. It's like forgetting the Declaration of Independence refers to "merciless Indian savages" and think that the militias of the 2nd amendment was just to make sure we'd have hunting clubs.

No, it was to 1) prevent re-invasion by Britain or another European country 2) kill Indians and 3) prevent slave revolts. And it was 2 and 3 that were the more mundane reasons, the every day reasons. But whatever I guess. Pass me a shotgun and a Confederate flag. I just love history and my heritage.

I've never met a white person with the last name Washington or Jefferson. We are as American as it gets. So it's rich when people complain about out-of-wedlock birth and absent fathers. The ****ing Founding Fathers were deadbeat dads to us.

And it's probably north of 350 years if you are counting. But 1000 pardons we couldn't rise above a global recession and impress you with our puritan spirit these last 7 years.

Don't worry. I hear you.
I take all this in stride. All comes by comparison.
It is damm good to live in America.
As per Constitution I am result oriented.
Looking good to me so who cares why it came to be.
I learned from Russia to stay away from the government, and police, and bad places to go.
Woks just fine in US.

Cool. Happy to be a footstool for your dreams. Don't worry about how this place got built or this tree was planted, or whose blood watered it, just enjoy the fruits, right?

No. I respect it.
And will add my part to build it.
Some other immigrants will come later and will blame me that something they will use is not perfect.
I pardon them in advance.

arkrud wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:You do the math

"Our number one priority is to make certain Obama is a one-term President"

- Mitch McConnell

... repeat, number one priority. Ergo, it is primarily about the loss of power. For Republicans, for people who live with fear of "the other."

It deferentially never worked.
And this is exactly what is my point about - the only goal all our politicians have is to hold on to the power.
Let them... I do not care much. I am building my life the way it is not affected by this circus.

I think that is the only realistic approach. These arguements between the have and have nots will continue. This country is so deeply divided. We will be arguing about the same things til the dawn of time. Until socialism takes precedent and we self destruct. It's too polarizing on both sides to ever reach common ground. Even with a goodwilled leaders who's number one intention is unifying the nation.

Have and Have Nots, eh? Is that who populate the two sides of the gun debate? Or the ridiculous Joe McCarthy War on Communism side conversation you guys were having?

We can reach common ground, thought we might have something going in this thread but controversy is sexy in internet forums and the rest of the media.

You can laud capitalism all you want but then own that the profit motive makes sure our newscasts and tabloids and culture cling to the lowest-common denominator. Three weeks ago everyone was wondering about Orlando and I haven't heard a peep because it's more profitable to talk about Pokemon Go I guess.

Nothing is more powerful that profit motive... is it what made us humans?
In fact to do something which is not profitable for yourself is a kind of mental issue... sado-masochism I guess.
Police will stop you and tell put you hands up but you will put them in the pocket. Crazy... isn't it?
Or they will tell you freeze but you will run... This called suicidal... also mental condition...
So I wish you all Knicks fan brothers to stay well, clean of crazy thoughts, and far away as possible from police of any kind.
Piece.

Human history imho began as a history of cooperation. Small inter-related bands of people depending on each other to survive. Living as part of the land and using what we need, not hoarding resources. When different bands of people met, yes sometimes there was war, but there was also exchange of resources, technology, ideas.

Long before there was "capital" there was the "social". I argue that sharing is more innate to the human condition than profiting at the expense of someone else. Humans can invent all kinds of technology and civilizations. But a baby can't raise itself.

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

DAME DASH says a Jewish businessman calls black people ”liquid money” because we give it all away!!

In a recent article Dash quoted a colleague saying: “We call you (black people) liquid money. The same way that water falls out of a man’s hands, money typically seeps out of a black person’s hands the same way. Your community gets money and immediately gives it all away to people who aren’t black. We see that as a huge business opportunity.”

Examples used – black people on payday or when they get our tax refunds. He noted blacks to an Indian business to cash the check, an Asian hair salon, a corner store owned by Arabs and/or a department store owned by whites. When it’s all said and done these other business people are waiting like hungry animals to eat blacks’ bank accounts as if they are the prey.

Stumbling upon this this quote. Also made me think of Meloanyk post as well.

Many minorities and immigrants of different races, colors and religion have been able to raise their standards of living and lessen biases and prejudices through strong family structures with values that instill respect, discipline and a strong work ethic with emphasis on education and self determination. It all starts at home. In my area, Korean, Indian, Filipino, Middle Eastern ,Eastern European and Latin minorities , both legal and illegal immigrants, sacrifice and cram their extended family units into rentals for better schools so that the next generation can do better. Many move on to advanced schooling and careers despite having little. Hurdles exist in their lives yet they neither dwell or blame white or suceessful Americans but rather work towards advancing themselves to avoid dependence. If anything, these other minorities tend to look down on a segments of America both black and white for not raising their standards as a whole and defaulting to supports. Certain social programs and nets may be necessary but they need to be embraced as tools not abused. NJ already pumps $ into inner city schools to little avail. The ideals of Teach for America are quickly crushed. Black lives DO matter and those recent videos of senseless killings of blacks are disturbing to the vast majority of whites who DO care about the sanctity of all life. Reality is some policeman have bad makeups with wrongful racism or preconceptions that result in these horrors. The other reality is that most policeman do their job fairly well in many difficult environments and that the proverbial sheeet would hit the fan without their presence in many neighborhoods. Still no excuse for what occurred. Im older and came from a generation of institutionalized racism but to deny that progress has not been made on many fronts is absurd especially to a younger generation that is caring on most causes. On a socio economic front, the goals should always be access to good education for all but all have to fully avail themselves and creation of decent jobs so all can be gainfully employed

Which really got me thinking. In urban communities there are tons of businesses of all types of races. And African Americans heavily support all of them. Even though they hire mostly immediate family and relatives or people of the same race. As well as use money to bring more families and relatives to America and get them to go to better schooling. A lot of that is made possible by African American support of there businesses. How many black owned businesses can we say are in majority non black communities though which are being supported? Not saying this is a conspiracy against blacks. Just asking the question. If African Americans decided to strictly focus on supporting there own. How would that effect the lively hood of the many of these other races and immigrants?

Blacks also are said to generate enough tax dollars to be the 16th richest country or something like that. So it can be argued that these programs for the black community are supported by the tax dollars that blacks generate.

So black people work hard, pay taxes, taxes go for programs for black people, black people get the money from the programs and drain them into the hand of Jewish businessman... meaning Jews set it all up to get more money...
I will call my friend in Sion Elders Comity to ask why I never get my cut from it...

I didn't say any of that . I would like blacks to pool money together and build black owned supermarkets though.

jrodmc wrote:As a society we invest in God is Me liberal theology that teaches the values of self-entitlement, self-esteem at all costs, and self-centeredness. We educate kids that whatever they feel is right, whatever they want to be happy is right, and anyone who says differently is an intolerant bigot that deserves to be berated, marginalized and removed from any positions that may provide meaningful input to society. We promote sex whenever, with whoever with whatever. We sell and promote glorified video games and blockbuster CGI violence. We laugh and enjoy music that promotes the cutting edge of women as beeyatches, police as targets worthy of getting what they deserve and drugs as legalized candy. We have an entire generation of people who think anyone making more than $100K (except for our fabulous POTUS) is an evil white hate monger, who's sole goal in life is to keep the terrible minorities down and out, who can't hold a job longer than they hold onto an Iphone. Groups like Black Lives Matter (you ever bother to read their site, misterearl?) and teachers of Liberation Theology promote families without values, society without coherency and freedoms based unapologetically on thin air. Rage sells, and it sure looks good on the web, doesn't it?

Talk to some black police officers, and see what their experience is in dealing with this 'feigned surprise' that could all just go away if we dump more money on the problems of life. They are demanded to choose sides and if they choose law enforcement they are labeled Uncle Tom faster than Obama's minions can type out another meme sound bite.

Not enough money, way too many guns and Obama lives in a world where 'people' tell the police they're in charge of everything unless they pull someone over in traffic. Then the police suddenly have no authority whatsoever because they're just a part of the 'entirely racist system' empowering 'the man'.

We choose Self, and when we don't like what that produces we have to enhance and embrace divisiveness so Self has some Other to blame.

Rebellion due to belief that this system that we live in doesn't give a **** about blacks. Right or wrong the perception is enhanced by the day to day interactions of our police force and our justice system.

jrodmc wrote:As a society we invest in God is Me liberal theology that teaches the values of self-entitlement, self-esteem at all costs, and self-centeredness. We educate kids that whatever they feel is right, whatever they want to be happy is right, and anyone who says differently is an intolerant bigot that deserves to be berated, marginalized and removed from any positions that may provide meaningful input to society. We promote sex whenever, with whoever with whatever. We sell and promote glorified video games and blockbuster CGI violence. We laugh and enjoy music that promotes the cutting edge of women as beeyatches, police as targets worthy of getting what they deserve and drugs as legalized candy. We have an entire generation of people who think anyone making more than $100K (except for our fabulous POTUS) is an evil white hate monger, who's sole goal in life is to keep the terrible minorities down and out, who can't hold a job longer than they hold onto an Iphone. Groups like Black Lives Matter (you ever bother to read their site, misterearl?) and teachers of Liberation Theology promote families without values, society without coherency and freedoms based unapologetically on thin air. Rage sells, and it sure looks good on the web, doesn't it?

Talk to some black police officers, and see what their experience is in dealing with this 'feigned surprise' that could all just go away if we dump more money on the problems of life. They are demanded to choose sides and if they choose law enforcement they are labeled Uncle Tom faster than Obama's minions can type out another meme sound bite.

Not enough money, way too many guns and Obama lives in a world where 'people' tell the police they're in charge of everything unless they pull someone over in traffic. Then the police suddenly have no authority whatsoever because they're just a part of the 'entirely racist system' empowering 'the man'.

We choose Self, and when we don't like what that produces we have to enhance and embrace divisiveness so Self has some Other to blame.

How do I reconcile your moralizing about society here with your 50 Alba posts?

crzymdups wrote:

meloanyk wrote:President Obama has great oratory skills, intelligence and soul but he missed the opportunity over the years to directly challenge his own race to address their own failings. The reality is blacks have made no progress in educational achievement, job growth or cultural advancements during his presidency despite programs in place to assist. His election should have been a turning point for Black Americans but it has not been. Some will say that President Obama failed his race but I think the opposite happened, today's black culture failed him. President Obama did not have to deliver an idiotic Pastor Manning rant but he should have been more encompassing and challenging when addressing what plagues the black race. Society can and does assist but it's up to black people to retake their neighborhoods and share priorities that change the pipeline from school to prison to cradle to college. Some here may recall the Pound Cake speech that Bill Cosby delivered years ago to the NAACP. He was highly critical of black communities for their lack of parenting and responsibility, the prevalence of single parent families and incidental babies, frivolous ways at the expense of necessities and other behaviors such as ghetto vernacular instead of proper English. He cited present African Americans norms and culture as destructive to its own and the main drivers of wide gaps in achievement rather than discrimination,, policing or government policies. He made little excuse for the crimes of the incarcerated and lamented the absence of real black men of years past who were more accountable. He urged blacks to eschew their pathological embrace of victimization, violence and welfare and help themselves just like other minorities of race and color have done to advance. Now I realize, Cosby views will be minimized as a condescending Uncle Tom elitist especially after his rape allegations but he spoke out on self inflicted problems that should be in full discussions but are not because they are not politically correct or convenient. To my surprise, Bill Clinton of all people has recently touched the surface on them as well as black conservatives. I respected the integrity of President Obama but always found his direct addresses to be incomplete messages

You're using Bill Cosby? Bill Cosby who was accused of sexually assaulting over 50 women? I mean, it killed me to hear that Cosby story come out, loved his comedy as a kid, but you could not pick a bigger hypocrit or liar to quote. What he says is completely irrelevant at this point.

The "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality is often spouted by idiots like Trump who were born rich and wouldn't know how to pick themselves up by their bootstraps if their bootstraps could talk and told them what to do.

Again, Obama tried plenty of different things. All blocked by the GOP. What are these great programs that slipped through? What are these amazing programs that black people continue to ignore? Please tell me and I'll tell all my friends about them. Why haven't black people been able to overcome 240 years of institutionalized racism during Obama's 8-year Presidency?

Don't try to oversimplify the problem. There's institutional racism at every level of American life. From the way neighborhoods are segregated, from the way cops treat black suspects vs white, from the way criminal sentences are handed down, from quality of schools in different neighborhoods, from quality of hospitals available to people with low or no insurance vs people with great health care. The problem is systematic and needs years of work and addressing at many different levels.

A white man and a black man commit the same crime - the white man gets probation, the black man gets three years in prison and his life is effectively ruined. Read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander - this **** happens every day in America. I have a friend who is a public defender in NYC and he can barely stand to go to work anymore, such is the institutional racism at the trial and sentencing level of the NYC courts. Cosby is either lying or doesn't know what he's talking about.

Obama can only do so much, particularly when he is faced with an obstructionist GOP Congress. But the larger problem is part of the fabric of America. We can work our asses off and if we're lucky, it'll be better in 50 years and we can leave a better world to our kids. But there has to be an ACKNOWLEDGMENT of the problem. Don't blame Obama for not doing enough. Don't blame black people for whatever the **** Cosby is talking about. Look at the systems - how can we change those? It won't happen overnight, but it has to happen.

Hear hear crzy. Personal accountability is important of course, none of us are saying that's not the case. But we are swimming in a culture fueled by powerful interests. We lost a lot of wealth in the Great Recession we earned after clawing our way back from the crack epidemic. With this current opioid epidemic in America impacting white people more there should be more sympathy eff that — empathy — you'd think. It's like people don't want to open their eyes.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

meloanyk wrote:President Obama has great oratory skills, intelligence and soul but he missed the opportunity over the years to directly challenge his own race to address their own failings. The reality is blacks have made no progress in educational achievement, job growth or cultural advancements during his presidency despite programs in place to assist. His election should have been a turning point for Black Americans but it has not been. Some will say that President Obama failed his race but I think the opposite happened, today's black culture failed him. President Obama did not have to deliver an idiotic Pastor Manning rant but he should have been more encompassing and challenging when addressing what plagues the black race. Society can and does assist but it's up to black people to retake their neighborhoods and share priorities that change the pipeline from school to prison to cradle to college. Some here may recall the Pound Cake speech that Bill Cosby delivered years ago to the NAACP. He was highly critical of black communities for their lack of parenting and responsibility, the prevalence of single parent families and incidental babies, frivolous ways at the expense of necessities and other behaviors such as ghetto vernacular instead of proper English. He cited present African Americans norms and culture as destructive to its own and the main drivers of wide gaps in achievement rather than discrimination,, policing or government policies. He made little excuse for the crimes of the incarcerated and lamented the absence of real black men of years past who were more accountable. He urged blacks to eschew their pathological embrace of victimization, violence and welfare and help themselves just like other minorities of race and color have done to advance. Now I realize, Cosby views will be minimized as a condescending Uncle Tom elitist especially after his rape allegations but he spoke out on self inflicted problems that should be in full discussions but are not because they are not politically correct or convenient. To my surprise, Bill Clinton of all people has recently touched the surface on them as well as black conservatives. I respected the integrity of President Obama but always found his direct addresses to be incomplete messages

If his message seems incomplete to you, maybe you aren't paying enough attention? He does what it seems like you want him to do, particularly when speaking to Black audiences — and it gets reported in the mainstream press. Cosby was talking to the NAACP, after all. Black folks do talk to each other in this way all the time.

"Obama Sharply Assails Absent Black Fathers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/us/politics/15cnd-obama.html?_r=0

"How the Obama Administration Talks to Black America"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/how-the-obama-administration-talks-to-black-america/276015/

"To critics, Obama’s scolding tone with black audiences is getting old"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/to-critics-obamas-scolding-tone-with-black-audiences-is-getting-old/2013/05/20/4b267352-c191-11e2-bfdb-3886a561c1ff_story.html

"Obama Says Movements Like Black Lives Matter ‘Can’t Just Keep on Yelling’"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/us/obama-says-movements-like-black-lives-matter-cant-just-keep-on-yelling.html
"Obama Calls Kanye West ‘Jackass’ Again"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/obama-kanye-west-jackass-_n_1420578.html

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And yes, lessons from a victimizer on how not to embrace victimization is pretty rich.

Calling West a jacksss is a national message? Talking to Morehouse College spreads the word beyond that campus? What % of the black population reads the Atlantic or NY Times? President Obama had a great platform to drive home these points to black communities across the nation via national addresses and I think it was squandered for the most part. Ill also return to my original point. He was elected to the cheers of blacks and whites , it should have been a turning point but the cultures did not respond

I did put that last as a cherry on the top of the other articles. I thought the Kanye thing is poignant because of his popularity, maybe the only person who actually got under GW Bush's skin re: Katrina and race. And it's funny you only respond to that one. That's quite telling. You only see what you want to see I guess.

I put links to mainstream press for you to speak to your "national message". You do realize a trip to Morehouse is going to be not only covered in the mainstream press, it will be in the Morehouse College newspapers and magazines, the local black press, discussed on black radio, etc. And even reach uppity Negroes like me who read The Atlantic and the New York Times.

What exactly is this change you expected, anyway? When you say "The reality is blacks have made no progress in educational achievement, job growth or cultural advancements during his presidency despite programs in place to assist" what exactly are you going on, data or just your gut? What exactly would the change you would have wanted looked like in 7 years?

The West example was too absurd. Again, Ill ask you do you really believe that the NYT and Atlantic magazine are papers that the black masses read ? Do you not believe that a national addresses would not have reached a wider black audience by using the medium of TV since it is used on national issues? I've been in President Obama corner on most but that is one area where I expected him to be better given the historical opportunity to unify and lift. He understands the great divide and what is needed to truly close. Calling yourself uppity is your choice, you may actually be part of the "talented tenth" that could assist lifting black masses out of their malaise and into wider progress and integration . Since you read the NYT, please recall this article http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/education/edlife/black-america-and-the-class-divide.html . As far as stats, you can google and filter them and look at the disparities and trends in test scores, income, unemployment, job growth and see that the masses have not made much progress while the upper tenth has. Ive read the whole gamut from black authored criticsm of President Obama to conservative authored approval but would rather not cherry pick to fit the narrative . I was hoping for more over these past seven and a half years and didnt expect this would be where we stand today as he soon exits

No, I don't think the "masses" — black or not — are reading the Atlantic nearly as much as People Magazine or Worldstar. And no, I don't believe Obama should have preempted Empire to wag his finger Cobsy-style at Black America, telling the whole world "Black people, your **** stinks." Sorry a Morehouse audience isn't good enough for you, or his rhetoric isn't as simplistic as Dr. Cosby's colorful language about pound cake. Because that's what you think it would take for things to get better?

The Great Recession: think that had any part to play or no?

By your answer, I guess you are not in the top tenth after all. PS, the great recession impacted all not just one group so the review on progress was on economic gaps as all fell during the various timeframes. President Obama did a great job guiding us to a soft landing, closing the auto factories would have been disastrous to certain segments and he extended certain welfare programs that may still be in existence today like unemployment benefits. A baby cant raise itself? Exactly

I really don't know what you are on about with the talented tenth stuff like we study the works of Du Bois. If I'm talking about this on a Knicks board, maybe I am not that high up the totem pole! And who wins in a battle between the Talented Tenth and the One Percent anyway?

I feel like I do what I can keeping my head above water and being there for my family, so that's all part of it right? I donate money to causes like Black Girls Code, I've taught in public college, probably I could be doing more to help out, I think we all could, so maybe we can agree there. Sorry you knew going into the Cosby argument it was a tainted one, but not just because of Spanish Fly... these conversations are taking place, I gave you a ton of articles from mainstream press to prove they are happening between Obama and African Americans.

Full disclosure, I only voted for him in 2008, and was disappointed with his policy in different ways but I feel like I need to defend my people here. All this pettifogging the issues. I feel like I am willing to concede points and look for common ground but the GOP has really disappointed me as the former party of Lincoln and abolition with appeals to bogeymen. I'm also tired of feeling like a bogeyman in the country where some of my ancestors have been here for 200+ years just because I'm a black man over 6 feet.

Fair enough. It's a bb forum first and foremost, my comments in this thread started after reading what I considered to be some race baiting posts. I dont know of a single white person who wasn't upset at the recent shootings yet there seems to be an indictment of everything which I find very unfair. I believe that socio economic factor into divides but a hard conversation is never had just band aids thatcover up. Im an independent. Measures have been thrown at inequities starting with LBJ Great Society without much to show today and it frustrates. Some programs have right intentions but boomerang and even today some issues being contemplated now have both benefits and downsides. Welfare programs are necessary to varying points but also a suppressant to family formation and initiative. I cited Cosby knowing he is flawed person because many black conservatives saw the merit in what he was said understanding that others thought he was demeaning elitist. The world moves forward and leaves some behind. Hopefully the uptick in hs graduation rates and college attendance will continue

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martin wrote:

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crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

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fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... mockery.

You have to realize that Obama did do plenty. And at every single turn he was blocked by the GOP Congress. The GOP Congress who has voted down any gun reform law in this country. The GOP doesn't even want to perform terrorist background checks on people who buy automatic weapons. Why don't they want to? Because they are paid to vote that way by the gun lobby, made up of the NRA and gun manufacturers. Similar to the oil lobby who have paid the GOP to call coal a "a clean fuel".

The GOP is a mockery. Trump is the perfect clown candidate to represent them. But the real danger they pose is at the Congress level, where their obstructionist voting stops any real change from happening in this country. Again, the only reason they do this is to get rich from lobbyists. There are dirty politicians on the Democratic side, too, but nowhere near as bad. Just check the voting records in the Senate. It's an embarrassment. It's worse than an embarrassment, it should be called what it is - criminal negligence.

Plenty... meaning what specifically?
His job is to unite people and political parties around common goals to make good for the whole country.
The gun issues must be depoliticized.
If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

So Obama's job is to make the GOP not an embarrassment to the country? Why doesn't the GOP pick itself up by its bootstraps?

You cannot get blood from the stone.
Who cares if GOP or DEMs are an embarrassment? All politicians are.
President should step above this snake-nest and put public behind him.
Instead we see only politically correct bulsht.

These types of over-generalizations and not reality based situations don't help your message or argument at all

I cannot see any of current politicians I can rely on.
Every time they are asked why they are not acting on the issue they blame their political opponents for blocking them.
If you have a will you will find a way. I see only excuses.

I must say you haven't been paying close attention to the policatal process over the past years than. That's clearly obvious

Not obvious for me...
What break through I have missed?

It feels more and more like you missed everything from the second world war onward.

You are parroting spent stereotypes from the past with no coherence or clear understanding of what you are talking about. You have no context of real life (outside of your own precious little bubble) and you are spewing this utter poppycock at people who are patiently explaining to you how far off you are from reality.

1. Capitalism is a system of elites that cannot be corrupted? Exactly where is this defined?
2. Capitalism cannot fail because of a system of controls? What controls? Have you heard of Enron, Bernie Madoff, The banking sector and TBTF?
3. Socialism always leads to corruption? Even the fukking bible led to corruption - ask the little boys that get sexually violated by the clergy. Corruption is a fact of human life pointing to one system over another as the cause for corruption just shows how limited your understanding is.
4. Here - read about the countries most supportive of free trade and capitalism - these are most corrupt places in the world right now, where at 10-25% of the population is not just poor they are destitue. They eat food trash from garbage dumps to stay alive, while you make your gilded speeches about elites. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alyssaayres/2014/10/28/bangladesh-capitalist-haven/#3ec37dc942b7
5. And talking about a society where people care about each other is politically correct bull****? - Got it.

I am not interested in going back and forth with you, you really seem to be a sad, selfish and empty human being.

You can continue to be in your bubble and believe in things that fail.
Capitalism in not perfect by any stretch so is human race in general.
We have ways to go to became successful civilization and may never get there at all.
And please do not defend your opinions by finding something wrong in concept you do not like and people you cannot make agree with you. This shows you insecurity and your lack of confidence in your own views.

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gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... mockery.

You have to realize that Obama did do plenty. And at every single turn he was blocked by the GOP Congress. The GOP Congress who has voted down any gun reform law in this country. The GOP doesn't even want to perform terrorist background checks on people who buy automatic weapons. Why don't they want to? Because they are paid to vote that way by the gun lobby, made up of the NRA and gun manufacturers. Similar to the oil lobby who have paid the GOP to call coal a "a clean fuel".

The GOP is a mockery. Trump is the perfect clown candidate to represent them. But the real danger they pose is at the Congress level, where their obstructionist voting stops any real change from happening in this country. Again, the only reason they do this is to get rich from lobbyists. There are dirty politicians on the Democratic side, too, but nowhere near as bad. Just check the voting records in the Senate. It's an embarrassment. It's worse than an embarrassment, it should be called what it is - criminal negligence.

Plenty... meaning what specifically?
His job is to unite people and political parties around common goals to make good for the whole country.
The gun issues must be depoliticized.
If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

So Obama's job is to make the GOP not an embarrassment to the country? Why doesn't the GOP pick itself up by its bootstraps?

You cannot get blood from the stone.
Who cares if GOP or DEMs are an embarrassment? All politicians are.
President should step above this snake-nest and put public behind him.
Instead we see only politically correct bulsht.

These types of over-generalizations and not reality based situations don't help your message or argument at all

I cannot see any of current politicians I can rely on.
Every time they are asked why they are not acting on the issue they blame their political opponents for blocking them.
If you have a will you will find a way. I see only excuses.

I must say you haven't been paying close attention to the policatal process over the past years than. That's clearly obvious

Not obvious for me...
What break through I have missed?

It feels more and more like you missed everything from the second world war onward.

You are parroting spent stereotypes from the past with no coherence or clear understanding of what you are talking about. You have no context of real life (outside of your own precious little bubble) and you are spewing this utter poppycock at people who are patiently explaining to you how far off you are from reality.

1. Capitalism is a system of elites that cannot be corrupted? Exactly where is this defined?
2. Capitalism cannot fail because of a system of controls? What controls? Have you heard of Enron, Bernie Madoff, The banking sector and TBTF?
3. Socialism always leads to corruption? Even the fukking bible led to corruption - ask the little boys that get sexually violated by the clergy. Corruption is a fact of human life pointing to one system over another as the cause for corruption just shows how limited your understanding is.
4. Here - read about the countries most supportive of free trade and capitalism - these are most corrupt places in the world right now, where at 10-25% of the population is not just poor they are destitue. They eat food trash from garbage dumps to stay alive, while you make your gilded speeches about elites. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alyssaayres/2014/10/28/bangladesh-capitalist-haven/#3ec37dc942b7
5. And talking about a society where people care about each other is politically correct bull****? - Got it.

I am not interested in going back and forth with you, you really seem to be a sad, selfish and empty human being.

You can continue to be in your bubble and believe in things that fail.
Capitalism in not perfect by any stretch so is human race in general.
We have ways to go to became successful civilization and may never get there at all.
And please do not defend your opinions by finding something wrong in concept you do not like and people you cannot make agree with you. This shows you insecurity and your lack of confidence in your own views.

This is exactly what you have done through out this entire thread.

gunsnewing wrote:Oh man he is on fire. Wants the justice system to take a serious look at their law enforcement tactics and wants ALL of us to show more compassion for each other. Now that's unifying leadership. Whatever side you are on you will hear his message. I expect the country to start moving forward starting now. The President's message was heard loud and clear. Less blame and hateful rhetoric, less deflection which only angers different sides. More self-actualization and action in striving to be better as people

Thanks for making a note of this town hall I didn't know about it. I will try to catch up and watch some video and see it for myself.