DrAlphaeus wrote:jrodmc wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:playa2...is it a perfect example of your prejudice? then i agree, but whatever else you said in your post....
christianity is 2014 years old. there are at least a few organized and well established religions that outdate christianity by a lot, so if you are going to take the religious route, maybe you should study those first before quoting scripture. who made you executioner and decide whether it was shame whether it was this or that... that's not for you to decide. all you should do is love your fellow man unless they have exhibited violent behavior.
#1 God did not make or tell people to be christians and make christanity, he wanted followers of Christ. They were called of "the way",the term christian came from unbelievers who were mocking and making fun of them.
Calling someone a christian back in the 1st century was like using the N-word, it didn't become noble until the 3 or 4th century
God in his word, called followers of Christ "sons" "Royal Priesthood" "believers" Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 1 peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people.
Men who didn't believe in God called them christians 1st, because they reminded them of Jesus.
Religion is man made , being a follower of Christ is based on a spiritual relationship with the creator and his son Jesus.
God never called his followers christians or religious. Men did. They might didn't teach you this in religion.
I am speaking what the word of God says , I'm not making this up as what i say.
Take it up with God if you disapprove with what he says in his word.
Anybody can say they are christians because it's a man made religion, but anybody can't say they are a follower of Christ.
I agree, religion is man-made, being a follower of Christ is based on information from a book that was written by God through men according to you. Who eventually accepted the term "Christian" as you say, followed a religion we called Christianity to differentiate it from "believers" of other messiahs and gods.
"Christian" was a dirty word? I guess you are getting that information from extra-Biblical sources, because to say that it was the equivalent of "nigger" is really really hard to get solely out of the context of Acts. At most, it is a term non-Christian, non-Jewish Greeks & Romans called Christians. It being a slur is conjecture. Other Jews probably wouldn't use the word because they didn't accept Jesus as the Christ (Greek for Messiah). Χριστιανός is Greek for "follower of Christ"... they may not have used that word for themselves because maybe they were mostly Aramaic speakers and/or used more symbolic language like "Kingdom of God" like you prefer... admittedly my semi-educated conjecture. If you prefer "followers of Christ" or "disciples" or "sons of God" to "Christian" I guess that's your prerogative, but that is just preferring a euphemism, or ignoring that these passages are descriptive, speaking of the quality of this alleged relationship with God's son. To simply call you a "disciple" or "son of God" seems pretty vague terms in a multi-religious context whether it the Roman empire or modern-day USA – a disciple and son of which god? And like you said, "followers of Christ" embraced the term "Christian" (again, which simply means "followers of Christ" for Christ's sake!) by the 3rd or 4th century (I'll take your word for that, could have even been in the 2nd century and probably related to it breaking off from Judaism and its popularity with Gentiles), the time your beloved book was still being wrapped up as a whole package.
You want to tell us stuff you believe from your particular reading of this book that you say is the word of God, while you are the same person who will put up some ****amamy YouTube video and say that is evidence for whatever other nonsense you believe.
jrod, you wanna vouch for your boy, still? Haha.
DrA, I'm not (and have not) vouching for anyone, but thanks for that. playa is the conspiracy theorist, not me, but this is the first I've heard he's a bible thumper.
I may just have to look more closely at what all you sheeple are mindlessly following in those youtube vids...
Anyway, I think playa's point is you can call "Christian" everything from Pope followers to Mormons to Jehovah's Witnesses to 'Christian' Scientists.
You don't judge a faith by it's abuse.
<----- Obviously not my quote, but you get the idea. And I could be wrong about playa's point.
Christian meant "little Christs". I believe (and this is conjecture) that the Romans/other enemies of the faith actually used it in jest, just like naming Israel "Palestine" was a reference to the Philistines.
Just baiting you jrod but "little Christs"... hmm. I don't know Greek just Google so if you have a reference, I'd be interested. I know Jews call Christians words relating to "Nazarene" instead.
As for the Palestine name, I dunno... there wasn't even an Israel left by the time Rome got in the region. Ten lost tribes and all that? Plus, that name is in Egyptian records versus no mentions Israel... and they had those nice Mediterranean coastal views. But yea, I wouldn't put it past a conquering power to erase the name of Judea since they were revolting... Maccabees etc.
Anyway, call most of my contribution on this thread a hangover from my Christian schooling. All this Bible trivia, no where to show it off.
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.
So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies.
They traded the truth about God for a lie.
That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men.
Pretty much sums it up ! DA WORD From Rom 1 !
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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