martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Andrea Bargnani was Toronto's Ewing? LOL

This is what happens on this forum. People who have no clue about basketball trying to rationalize awful players because they're Knicks. 100% guarantee that if Bargnani was a Net people here would be claiming how much of a worthless player he is and how he wont impact the Nets at all.

LOL.. so true, I said this so many times..

The nets get terry, pierce and Garnett, all champions, a little older, but still effective HOF players(at least two of them) and knick fans say they are overhyped..

knicks get bargnani, beno and a way past his prime artest who was good never great and we are not only better, but poised to beat miami.. go figure..

no one has said that.

yes they did martin, all of last year, the talk was we were built to beat miami...now people are saying we got better with bargs and beno, right martin? Ok so does that mean I am supposed to figure that people think we got better but now are now are no longer built to beat miami? come on martin.....

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Andrea Bargnani was Toronto's Ewing? LOL

This is what happens on this forum. People who have no clue about basketball trying to rationalize awful players because they're Knicks. 100% guarantee that if Bargnani was a Net people here would be claiming how much of a worthless player he is and how he wont impact the Nets at all.

LOL.. so true, I said this so many times..

The nets get terry, pierce and Garnett, all champions, a little older, but still effective HOF players(at least two of them) and knick fans say they are overhyped..

knicks get bargnani, beno and a way past his prime artest who was good never great and we are not only better, but poised to beat miami.. go figure..

no one has said that.

yes they did martin, all of last year, the talk was we were built to beat miami...now people are saying we got better with bargs and beno, right martin? Ok so does that mean I am supposed to figure that people think we got better but now are now are no longer built to beat miami? come on martin.....

First, these are the results the Knicks had against Miami: W 104-84, W 112-92, L 93-99, W 102-92

Second, the feeling around Amar'e changed from last year this time to this year

Things aren't static. I think the Knicks did in fact improve their roster from what it could've been to what it is now. You're grasping

BRIGGS wrote:What we need from Bargs is to play well on the 2nd unit. We should have a great 2nd unit.

C-Bargs
PF Amare or Kenyon
SF/G JR Smith/Hardaway-back up
SG Beno Murry/back up
PG Pablo

On some teams thats a starting pro line up . Im not worried about who is what on D--we have a 7 footer a 6-10 or 6-9 PF and three highly capable guards of playing good 2 way basketball

For Bargs--concentrate on making smart plays slow the game down get some easy baskets take your time on the catch and shoot look for the open man get to the line stay away from catch and shoot from past 20 feet get rebounds and give a 7 footers presence. Theyve taken the pressure off you--now play a hard and smart 18-20.

I like this second unit.

Very interesting.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Sure, they can but they'd need to add guys like Lebron and Paul!

I wouldn't go that far, but he definitely need to reshape his offensive game. His three point shot has abandoned him and he's going to have to spend more time in the foul line extended. But he's better suited as an instant offense type off the bench. He is who he is.

I thought we played better with Bargs at the 5- we sucked when we had both Bargs and Tyson on the court at the same time - that just didn't work out.

I'd try to trade Tyson in the off season - start Cole & Amar'e, and then bring Bargs (if he can stay healthy) off the bench with Tyler- those would be my main four up front.

For sure that is a weak defensive grouping - but as long as you keep Bars & Amar'e separate, you minimize the defensive liabilities.

We went 5-0 with him when Tyson was out.

I agree that a new coach can take same exact team can make the playoffs or make a few deals like trade Tyson for a PG

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:I'm willing to roll the dice with the same roster, a healthy team going into training camp, new coach and new philosophy.

50 wins.

I agree as long as we pick up someone at PG who doesn't suffer from an early onset of Alzheimer's and has enough pride to not get lit up by everyone who steps onto MSG

I actually agree with this for the most part. Knicks played like every game was a pickup game. Whatever works that night keep riding it. If nothing works launch 3s and send tweets.

Here's the real question.. assuming Melo stays, lets say the Knicks are playing really well and looking like the 54 win team from last year. Do you blow it up and move Amare/Bargs/Chandler (if they are still here) at the deadline for picks and garbage? Or do you see what you can get from that group come playoffs...

I honestly suspect one of those three will be gone over the summer.

I would blow it up- with or without Melo. That's me.

I don't see Phil doing that- especially if they are playing well.