VDesai wrote:

3G4G wrote:

VDesai wrote:Morrow = novak. One dimensional. Once had Novak's contract, now has a min deal.

If Grunny would have did his job correctly Novak would have had close to a minny deal and still be here, instead of as close to #1 pick draft bust in Bargs.

Not really fair, as Grunwald did do his job in the sense that he signed Novak off the scrap heap for the minimum. There was no way he was only get a minimum deal as an FA last year after leading the league in 3 pt shooting.

Novak was signed almost immediately I do not believe he was looking to go anywhere he appreciated us picking him up from the scrap heep. You offer him tops the same deal as Prigs got this season or move on to the next. As we can see Novak didn't quite live up to his contract and regular fans at least a small few knew he "wasn't that good".....

We let Copeland go without any reservations which proves it can be done and life must go on. We got ourselves to bid against ourselves or pay more then necessary as we usually do.

Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT 7m
NBA sets cap for 2013-14 at $58.679 million. Tax threshold is $71.748 million.

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 7m
The #Knicks' taxpayer mid-level is $3.183 million. They used approx $1.5 million of that to re-sign Pablo Prigioni.

= Which means we have 1.683 mi left to to offer someone a contract (with the maximum allowed raises).

VDesai wrote:A couple notes:

Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT 7m
NBA sets cap for 2013-14 at $58.679 million. Tax threshold is $71.748 million.

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 7m
The #Knicks' taxpayer mid-level is $3.183 million. They used approx $1.5 million of that to re-sign Pablo Prigioni.

= Which means we have 1.683 mi left to to offer someone a contract (with the maximum allowed raises).

Holy crap, that's nothing. Last year I believe the cap was $58.44M. That means it only increased by about $200k!

VCoug wrote:

VDesai wrote:A couple notes:

Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT 7m
NBA sets cap for 2013-14 at $58.679 million. Tax threshold is $71.748 million.

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 7m
The #Knicks' taxpayer mid-level is $3.183 million. They used approx $1.5 million of that to re-sign Pablo Prigioni.

= Which means we have 1.683 mi left to to offer someone a contract (with the maximum allowed raises).

Holy crap, that's nothing. Last year I believe the cap was $58.44M. That means it only increased by about $200k!

I tried to caution martin in our earlier discussions the cap figure will not rise much by 2015, which probably makes sense as to why there are more signs we aren't targeting a 2015 rebuild than they're are.

GS keeps Curry, Ezeli, D. Lee, Harrison Barnes, Thompson, Bogut, Draymon Green, (good luck charm) Blazemore, and (reality show contestants) Jones & Machado.

Not a bad draft/FA run.

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

VCoug wrote:

VDesai wrote:A couple notes:

Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT 7m
NBA sets cap for 2013-14 at $58.679 million. Tax threshold is $71.748 million.

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 7m
The #Knicks' taxpayer mid-level is $3.183 million. They used approx $1.5 million of that to re-sign Pablo Prigioni.

= Which means we have 1.683 mi left to to offer someone a contract (with the maximum allowed raises).

Holy crap, that's nothing. Last year I believe the cap was $58.44M. That means it only increased by about $200k!

I tried to caution martin in our earlier discussions the cap figure will not rise much by 2015, which probably makes sense as to why there are more signs we aren't targeting a 2015 rebuild than are.

I do believe that the cap for the last 3 years was exactly $58.044M as per the new CBA agreement. It was a predetermined formula.

It's not a predetermined figure although I do believe(you're correct in that) it remained flatline for 3 seasons...It's even rising less than I assumed as I parked the figure at $60mil by 2015, looks like it won't reach that. Now under the old CBA agreement say 1998-2005ish the cap rose about $1.5-3mil per season(avg) taking a dip like maybe twice. It fluctuated quite a bit

The formula is BRI related based at a certain % of overall NBA revenue, then split across the 30 teams. I think the reason it flatlined for 3 seasons is because the owners wanted a stable figure to help with books going forward adjusting to the new agreement made and to test how a steady figure effected the overall landscape in every market. Now it's back to business as usual.

Here are the Salary Cap Figures yr by yr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap

I don't think your overall premise of prepping for 2015 is a bad idea or even theoretically impossible. I do feel you, just as much as I... may have reached a little on what we think a team like ours and L.A. can do should they have substantial cap room.

My main gripe is....I believe the Lakers have a more deliberate plan to use Cap room to improve in 2015 than we do. I think we're flying by the seat of our pants personally and 2015 is a "Play it by Feel".... D'Antoni/Woody(Coach By Feel) philosophy, which is garbage.

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:I don't think your overall premise of prepping for 2015 is a bad idea or even theoretically impossible. I do feel you, just as much as I... may have reached a little on what we think a team like ours and L.A. can do should they have substantial cap room.

My main gripe is....I believe the Lakers have a more deliberate plan to use Cap room to improve in 2015 than we do. I think we're flying by the seat of our pants personally and 2015 is a "Play it by Feel".... D'Antoni/Woody(Coach By Feel) philosophy, which is garbage.

What has the Lakers done that make you think they have a more deliberate plan in 2015 than the Knicks do?

The Lakers are starting their plan with Nash and most likely Kobe. 41, 36 years old. $10m and let's estimate Kobe at $15M, $10M? They have a first round pick in 2014.

Knicks have JRSmith, Felton (player option), THJR, Shump, 2015 first round pick. $6M, $4M, $1M, $4M (7M cap hold).

What do you like better about the Lakes situation?

BTW, Lakers coaches in the past year: Mike Brown, Bernie Bickerstaff, Mike D'Antoni. Is this not "Play it by Feel"?

You keep mentioning Kobe being 36 as if it's some kind of draw back. He was a Top 3 scorer at 34. Yes he's coming off a major injury but he is Kobe. The fact remains they have more cap space available and aren't adding cap to and beyond 2015 like we have. Also we'll have to make major decisions prior to on Melo and Shump which has our plan limbo'd so-to-speak.

I think bringing Phil back in as an advisor/consultant is an admission by Jim Buss I need to cut the "Play It By Feel" crap out and put my ego aside and run this team like one that has direction and purpose. They fired one of D'AnToni's top assistants(may hand pick a coach that yr), Kaman got a 1 yr deal not a 2 yr deal with second yr partial guarantee, signed Farmar to a 1 yr deal, they aren't pursuing any big name players(via S&T), they let Earl Clark go without any compensation and he got a 2yr deal...2nd yr TO from Cleveland...there are stronger signs from them in regards to 2015.

You think how you want though martin, like I said principally speaking probably what we should be doing and may be planning on doing but I doubt and don't trust this organization because things always change yr-to-yr.

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:I don't think your overall premise of prepping for 2015 is a bad idea or even theoretically impossible. I do feel you, just as much as I... may have reached a little on what we think a team like ours and L.A. can do should they have substantial cap room.

My main gripe is....I believe the Lakers have a more deliberate plan to use Cap room to improve in 2015 than we do. I think we're flying by the seat of our pants personally and 2015 is a "Play it by Feel".... D'Antoni/Woody(Coach By Feel) philosophy, which is garbage.

What has the Lakers done that make you think they have a more deliberate plan in 2015 than the Knicks do?

The Lakers are starting their plan with Nash and most likely Kobe. 41, 36 years old. $10m and let's estimate Kobe at $15M, $10M? They have a first round pick in 2014.

Knicks have JRSmith, Felton (player option), THJR, Shump, 2015 first round pick. $6M, $4M, $1M, $4M (7M cap hold).

What do you like better about the Lakes situation?

BTW, Lakers coaches in the past year: Mike Brown, Bernie Bickerstaff, Mike D'Antoni. Is this not "Play it by Feel"?

You keep mentioning Kobe being 36 as if it's some kind of draw back. He was a Top 3 scorer at 34. Yes he's coming off a major injury but he is Kobe. The fact remains they have more cap space available and aren't adding cap to and beyond 2015 like we have. Also we'll have to make major decisions prior to on Melo and Shump which has our plan limbo'd so-to-speak.

I think bringing Phil back in as an advisor/consultant is an admission by Jim Buss I need to cut the "Play It By Feel" crap out and put my ego side and run this team like one that has direction and purpose. They fired one of D'AnToni's top assistants(may hand pick a coach that yr), Kaman got a 1 yr deal not a 2 yr deal with second yr partial guarantee, signed Farmar to a 1 yr deal, they aren't pursuing any big name players(via S&T), they let Earl Clark go without any compensation and he got a 2yr deal...2nd yr TO from Cleveland...there are stronger signs from them in regards to 2015.

You think how you want though martin like I said principally speaking probably what we should be doing and may be planning on doing but I doubt and don't trust this organization because things always change yr-to-yr.

3 days ago the Lakers plan was to resign Howard. That plan just changed.

3G4G wrote:The fact remains they have more cap space available and aren't adding cap to and beyond 2015 like we have.

I think you missed the memo: The Knicks just REMOVED salary from 2015, not adding to it. Please let me know why you say the Knicks are adding to 2015?

Dwight would have been similar to a mix of Free Agents come 2015...which means if he were a regular free agent in 2015.... the Lakers could look to sign he and Melo to add to Kobe. D-12 is irrelevant.

We took Novak's away and added Smith, Prigs, THJR to 2015, not to mention a massive cap hold in Bargs contract. Aren't looking to move Felton(which we should) for someone like Ridnour/Miller/Blake/Sessions. We do not have a clear outlook as to what we're doing. We'll know more so mid-season to end of season coming up when we address Melo and Shumpert

That's when you should be on your strong campaign of 2015...until then major incomplete right now. Also not sure why we're shrinking the CONTENDER window so fast Melo ain't getting younger so why change that plan?

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:We took Novak's away and added Smith, Prigs, THJR to 2015, not to mention a massive cap hold in Bargs contract. Aren't looking to move Felton(which we should) for someone like Ridnour/Miller/Blake/Sessions. We do not have a clear outlook as to what we're doing. We'll know more so mid-season to end of season coming up when we address Melo and Shumpert

That's when you should be on your strong campaign of 2015...until then major incomplete right now. Also not sure why we're shrinking the CONTENDER window so fast Melo ain't getting younger so why change that plan?

dude, I'm gonna stop. Your facts are wrong and you are not taking the time to think things through on both sides.

Let me give you an example: Prigs is not signed through 2015-16 (partially guaranteed team option for that year), so in essence he has a 2 year deal. Bargs may have a cap hold but he can be released.

The Knicks don't need to look to move Felton right now, he has a super reasonable contract with a player option in last year, and I already demonstrated how you can keep JRSmith, Felton, THJR and add lots of free agents.

Partial guarantee is added salary Martin whether it's $500k extra or $1mil....we added salary. Prigs should have received a 2yr deal period he'll be practically 40yrs old..... you know how you've been bringing up ages in these exchanges?

Yes Bargs can be released, as can Tyson, as can Amar'e and when you do that....you have to hope you've released to the degree it benefits and turns into signings. Novak wasn't traded because of 2015...he was traded because Grunny thinks he got a better player out of the deal and is trying to stay relevant. Novak could have been traded the same rate of time as Felton..... as long as we were willing to throw in picks Novak was always a goner on the market.

If your scenario is without Melo and Shumpert on the books(Smith/Felts/Jr) which would rival Nash's Laker salary then okay. I fire back the same and say who will beat down our doors to play with them? No One.

That's cool we can be done with this cause as I said I need to see more as this season develops, to fully understand what we're doing.