BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

He seemed to always show up for games at the Garden though. If he gives effort every night he will have plenty of support. If he dogs it here the NY media will crucify him and we will flip him at the deadline.

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

martin let me ask this... what good is cap space in 2015, when the knicks will just re-up carmelo and we have no pick in 2014 or 2016 now.. at all? this half "go all in method" is becoming an absolute mess.. If you are going to go all in, then do it right...

I don't dislike Bargs, I think he is a decent player, but he addresses none of the knicks needs.. just another panic move by the knicks..

created a new thread about this. Would you rather have Lee 2 years from now or a choice of Love/Aldrige/MGasol?

VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

martin let me ask this... what good is cap space in 2015, when the knicks will just re-up carmelo and we have no pick in 2014 or 2016 now.. at all? this half "go all in method" is becoming an absolute mess.. If you are going to go all in, then do it right...

I don't dislike Bargs, I think he is a decent player, but he addresses none of the knicks needs.. just another panic move by the knicks..

created a new thread about this. Would you rather have Lee 2 years from now or a choice of Love/Aldrige/MGasol?

You also get Lee for the 2 yrs in between, which is huge. Lee fills a lot of the biggest holes in our roster- great rebounder and passer

you want Lee for 2 years in between and no shot at full rebuild in 2015? To what end?

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

martin let me ask this... what good is cap space in 2015, when the knicks will just re-up carmelo and we have no pick in 2014 or 2016 now.. at all? this half "go all in method" is becoming an absolute mess.. If you are going to go all in, then do it right...

I don't dislike Bargs, I think he is a decent player, but he addresses none of the knicks needs.. just another panic move by the knicks..

created a new thread about this. Would you rather have Lee 2 years from now or a choice of Love/Aldrige/MGasol?

none of that, was that our only choice? make this trade or make the trade for lee? we didn't have the choice of doing nothing?

the trade is done and that's what we were talking about. Doing nothing wasn't really an option, so why bring it up.

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

martin let me ask this... what good is cap space in 2015, when the knicks will just re-up carmelo and we have no pick in 2014 or 2016 now.. at all? this half "go all in method" is becoming an absolute mess.. If you are going to go all in, then do it right...

I don't dislike Bargs, I think he is a decent player, but he addresses none of the knicks needs.. just another panic move by the knicks..

created a new thread about this. Would you rather have Lee 2 years from now or a choice of Love/Aldrige/MGasol?

none of that, was that our only choice? make this trade or make the trade for lee? we didn't have the choice of doing nothing?

the trade is done and that's what we were talking about. Doing nothing wasn't really an option, so why bring it up.

was trading for david lee an option martin? I didn't bring that up, I was just responding to you post....

jesus man, you are certainly a waste of time. I was responding to VDesai about DLee being a part of a 3-way with Bargs and NY and why I wouldn't want DLee coming to NY because of his contract because of implications of 2015.

What is your point in this whole back and forth?

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

martin let me ask this... what good is cap space in 2015, when the knicks will just re-up carmelo and we have no pick in 2014 or 2016 now.. at all? this half "go all in method" is becoming an absolute mess.. If you are going to go all in, then do it right...

I don't dislike Bargs, I think he is a decent player, but he addresses none of the knicks needs.. just another panic move by the knicks..

created a new thread about this. Would you rather have Lee 2 years from now or a choice of Love/Aldrige/MGasol?

none of that, was that our only choice? make this trade or make the trade for lee? we didn't have the choice of doing nothing?

the trade is done and that's what we were talking about. Doing nothing wasn't really an option, so why bring it up.

was trading for david lee an option martin? I didn't bring that up, I was just responding to you post....

jesus man, you are certainly a waste of time. I was responding to VDesai about DLee being a part of a 3-way with Bargs and NY and why I wouldn't want DLee coming to NY because of his contract because of implications of 2015.

What is your point in this whole back and forth?

martin, you seem to be in some type of mood, I am only trying to discuss, not argue, that is not my intention, I initially asked you, what good is cap space in 2015 when you have no picks or a young premium player on the team to work with...

I will say this martin, I understand where you were going and I would agree with you, if we had a young stud like rondo, harden, etc.. going forward with at least a pick in consecutive years....

thats all martin..

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

martin let me ask this... what good is cap space in 2015, when the knicks will just re-up carmelo and we have no pick in 2014 or 2016 now.. at all? this half "go all in method" is becoming an absolute mess.. If you are going to go all in, then do it right...

I don't dislike Bargs, I think he is a decent player, but he addresses none of the knicks needs.. just another panic move by the knicks..

created a new thread about this. Would you rather have Lee 2 years from now or a choice of Love/Aldrige/MGasol?

none of that, was that our only choice? make this trade or make the trade for lee? we didn't have the choice of doing nothing?

the trade is done and that's what we were talking about. Doing nothing wasn't really an option, so why bring it up.

was trading for david lee an option martin? I didn't bring that up, I was just responding to you post....

jesus man, you are certainly a waste of time. I was responding to VDesai about DLee being a part of a 3-way with Bargs and NY and why I wouldn't want DLee coming to NY because of his contract because of implications of 2015.

What is your point in this whole back and forth?

martin, you seem to be in some type of mood, I am only trying to discuss, not argue, that is not my intention, I initially asked you, what good is cap space in 2015 when you have no picks or a young premium player on the team to work with...

I will say this martin, I understand where you were going and I would agree with you, if we had a young stud like rondo, harden, etc.. going forward with at least a pick in consecutive years....

thats all martin..

The Knicks just opened up the possibility of getting both Rondo and Love to tag along with Melo in 2015. To do that they gave up 2016 first round pick.

ok, martin, realistically how much money do you think carmelo and shumpert will be making...

and one other thing.. fans didn't want to rebuild with the kids and assets we had in 2010, they didn't want to wait.. now we are talking rebuilding again in 2015 with carmelo who will be on the other side of 30... this is just tragic...

but that is another topic...

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

If we could've gotten Lee, then we should have...

No way, it would have ruined 2015 cap space.

martin let me ask this... what good is cap space in 2015, when the knicks will just re-up carmelo and we have no pick in 2014 or 2016 now.. at all? this half "go all in method" is becoming an absolute mess.. If you are going to go all in, then do it right...

I don't dislike Bargs, I think he is a decent player, but he addresses none of the knicks needs.. just another panic move by the knicks..

created a new thread about this. Would you rather have Lee 2 years from now or a choice of Love/Aldrige/MGasol?

none of that, was that our only choice? make this trade or make the trade for lee? we didn't have the choice of doing nothing?

the trade is done and that's what we were talking about. Doing nothing wasn't really an option, so why bring it up.

was trading for david lee an option martin? I didn't bring that up, I was just responding to you post....

jesus man, you are certainly a waste of time. I was responding to VDesai about DLee being a part of a 3-way with Bargs and NY and why I wouldn't want DLee coming to NY because of his contract because of implications of 2015.

What is your point in this whole back and forth?

martin, you seem to be in some type of mood, I am only trying to discuss, not argue, that is not my intention, I initially asked you, what good is cap space in 2015 when you have no picks or a young premium player on the team to work with...

I will say this martin, I understand where you were going and I would agree with you, if we had a young stud like rondo, harden, etc.. going forward with at least a pick in consecutive years....

thats all martin..

The Knicks just opened up the possibility of getting both Rondo and Love to tag along with Melo in 2015. To do that they gave up 2016 first round pick.

ok, martin, realistically how much money do you think carmelo and shumpert will be making...

and one other thing.. fans didn't want to rebuild with the kids and assets we had in 2010, they didn't want to wait.. now we are talking rebuilding again in 2015 with carmelo who will be on the other side of 30... this is just tragic...

but that is another topic...

It's only tragic because of your hate for Melo. This worked out fine for Celtics and Pierce, Mavs and Dirk, etc. Just because a player is 30-31 doesn't mean their career is over.

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:The Knicks just opened up the possibility of getting both Rondo and Love to tag along with Melo in 2015. To do that they gave up 2016 first round pick.

ok, martin, realistically how much money do you think carmelo and shumpert will be making...

and one other thing.. fans didn't want to rebuild with the kids and assets we had in 2010, they didn't want to wait.. now we are talking rebuilding again in 2015 with carmelo who will be on the other side of 30... this is just tragic...

but that is another topic...

Shumpert is on his rookie contact, did you forget this? And Melo won't be able to demand $20M in 2015, just no way, or he can take a hike.

When you say "fans didn't want to rebuild with the kids and assets we had in 2010, they didn't want to wait..." you are of course referring to a subset of fans and some very eager ones to see playoffs after 1+ years of not seeing any. And how does it have anything to do with the below.....

What is tragic about rebuilding around (hypothetically) Melo, Love, Rondo, Shump, Felton and other pieces? Have you not picked up on what I have been talking about all along?

You think having anything to do with Melo on your team is bad. We get that. But Dolan doesn't, so you be put the idea behind you and move on past that mental block.

ok, so then you can't say, we will have rondo and love to pair with carmelo , because you are now saying take less than 20 mil or take a hike? do you realistically think he will take less martin? if not, then count him out...

Ok, so now you are talking about getting kevin love and rondo, assuming that no other teams are in the mix...and not having any picks in 2014 and 2016, expect to surround them with a team that can win?

Ok martin.... not sure how this is a recipie for success, but whatever.... If you are happy with that cool.. I think it is far fetched... way too many assumptions.... the celts are building around rondo.. not sure why they would let him go, or why he would want to leave... but whatever...

i will leave it at that..

What is tragic about rebuilding around (hypothetically) Melo, Love, Rondo, Shump, Felton and other pieces? Have you not picked up on what I have been talking about all along?

matin as we speak, every other team in the league is talking about adding rondo and kevin love.. it is tragic that we still speak about building around carmelo... this is not pierce or garnett we are talking about here. .carmelo has given no indication that he is cut from that cloth... with that said, there is about as much chance of this happening for us as it is for about 15 other teams in the league by then.. we have no control over this... one thing I do know, when you have assets and picks, you have control over what you can do with those...