GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

3G4G wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Well its not really fair to judge George based on one game. He will hopefully get better on offense and he has one of the best rim protecting centers to help his already great defensive skills.

I don't like that as he increased his shots his shooting percentage has drop but he has time to figure it out.

Well exactly- that's why it annoys me when people refuse to use perspective when talking about our players. All this talk about Tyson being a bum because he had a poor playoff showing (after missing 3 weeks with injury and illness)- just ridiculous.

I wouldn't call him a bum, I would say that too many nights I a saw a total lack of effort. I was saying the same thing you were, that he's been hurt and we should cut Tyson some slack. But the more I watched guys blow right past him that excuse started wearing thin.

I didn't expect DPOY Tyson with his injuries, I did expect more fire and too many times it just wasn't there. Add Tyson throwing his teammates under the bus while glossing over his own failures and I see someone I would rather trade if a good deal is there.

Unfortunately with his salary it won't be easy. His value is probably the lowest its been in a while so if we are to get any value for him its probably going to be at the trade deadline next season where he will hopefully garner some interest.

There's also a huge difference when looking at a 22yr old 3rd yr 2-way player no injury history vs comparing 30yr old 10+ yr players with injury history and bloated salaries.

Look we really only have 1 player who has ability to reach an unknown ceiling....that's Shumpert but his growth will be stunted by the likes of Melo and J.R. and every now and then Felton, with Woodson coaching this team.

I don't believe any of them will stunt Shumpert's growth. Shumpert still has to develop a reliable mid range jumper, that's the only thing holding him back. I doubt any of them will hinder his growth. Shump has already improved his handle and his 3pt shooting, these things aren't happening in a vacuum.

Melo's presence will help Shumpert develop as it will allow him to focus on improving his outside shooting and not have to create too much offense or carry too much responsbility on offense.

I agree, the only time Shump gets into trouble is when he gets too ambitious. Chalk it up to youthful inexperience. The good news is that Vince Carter like dunk he did in the playoffs shows that he is getting his vertical back. shump keeps improving and I see him becoming an all star in a couple of years.

Yeah my hope is that he can slowly develop into an all-star and we can add another star either via free agency in 2 years or before in a trade. Having Melo at age 31, Shumpert blossoming, and a 3rd star to form a nice fitting big 3, along with a nice supporting cast is the key to this team.

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

You're free to view .600 in reg season, and 7-14 in the playoffs, and high ppgh, as meaningful but you should respect that some of our fellow Knicks fans don't.

exactly, because when this trade was made, we were sold, that having a "star" would take us to the next level.. now we are being told he doesn't have help, needs time, and it's amare's fault.. sorry, none of this is meaningful other than a title..

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

3G4G wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Well its not really fair to judge George based on one game. He will hopefully get better on offense and he has one of the best rim protecting centers to help his already great defensive skills.

I don't like that as he increased his shots his shooting percentage has drop but he has time to figure it out.

Well exactly- that's why it annoys me when people refuse to use perspective when talking about our players. All this talk about Tyson being a bum because he had a poor playoff showing (after missing 3 weeks with injury and illness)- just ridiculous.

I wouldn't call him a bum, I would say that too many nights I a saw a total lack of effort. I was saying the same thing you were, that he's been hurt and we should cut Tyson some slack. But the more I watched guys blow right past him that excuse started wearing thin.

I didn't expect DPOY Tyson with his injuries, I did expect more fire and too many times it just wasn't there. Add Tyson throwing his teammates under the bus while glossing over his own failures and I see someone I would rather trade if a good deal is there.

Unfortunately with his salary it won't be easy. His value is probably the lowest its been in a while so if we are to get any value for him its probably going to be at the trade deadline next season where he will hopefully garner some interest.

There's also a huge difference when looking at a 22yr old 3rd yr 2-way player no injury history vs comparing 30yr old 10+ yr players with injury history and bloated salaries.

Look we really only have 1 player who has ability to reach an unknown ceiling....that's Shumpert but his growth will be stunted by the likes of Melo and J.R. and every now and then Felton, with Woodson coaching this team.

I don't believe any of them will stunt Shumpert's growth. Shumpert still has to develop a reliable mid range jumper, that's the only thing holding him back. I doubt any of them will hinder his growth. Shump has already improved his handle and his 3pt shooting, these things aren't happening in a vacuum.

Melo's presence will help Shumpert develop as it will allow him to focus on improving his outside shooting and not have to create too much offense or carry too much responsbility on offense.

I agree, the only time Shump gets into trouble is when he gets too ambitious. Chalk it up to youthful inexperience. The good news is that Vince Carter like dunk he did in the playoffs shows that he is getting his vertical back. shump keeps improving and I see him becoming an all star in a couple of years.

Yeah my hope is that he can slowly develop into an all-star and we can add another star either via free agency in 2 years or before in a trade. Having Melo at age 31, Shumpert blossoming, and a 3rd star to form a nice fitting big 3, along with a nice supporting cast is the key to this team.

I agree.Just have to hope Melo can stay healthy. We definitely need a big with a post game.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What's worse? 4 turnovers a game or 15 missed shots?

What's really worse 6 TOs and 8 missed shots?

Who had that?!

So much better then Melo , Melo has plenty of games where he shoots 20% and scores 7 points. Lets wait a little while before crowning MR George as an elite player shall we. If Melo had a game like George did in a Game 7 the board would of exploded

Of course in a smaller sample of shots (9 total), there's going to be more variability or fluctuation in terms of percentages. I personally didn't say George was better than Melo though. He's just better than Melo in all the non-scoring facets of the game. Melo is a significantly better scorer.

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

LOL it is hilarious to me a so called Knick fan has more of a problem with me bashing a Pacer then a NY Knick

Jmpasq wrote:Why do the Melo haters like George so much its not like he is an efficient offensive player and thats all I ever here about Melo is his shooting %

he is an all around player, that is what we like, carmelo is just an offensive player only and he isn't efficient at it.. that is a problem..

it is like being a field goal kicker and not being efficient at that....

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

LOL it is hilarious to me a so called Knick fan has more of a problem with me bashing a Pacer then a NY Knick

I have no problem, but why attack george, he is not hurting the knicks( other than beating the knicks fair and square) and honestly the kid is a joy to watch... attacking him just tells me one thing..

Ummm lets see because its a thread about George being better then Melo. I wouldnt of posted anything about him otherwise

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Jmpasq wrote:Why do the Melo haters like George so much its not like he is an efficient offensive player and thats all I ever here about Melo is his shooting %

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.