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yellowboy90
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11/14/2012  2:08 PM
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:I will never ever like the trade.

... but just keeping persepctive.

I could understand this perspective better if Melo had turned out to be Marbles.

We had Coke, we traded it for Pepsi.

We now find out two years later, that Coke's main ingredient is bird guano.

We still have Pepsi, which we find is made with a rather high grade of pure cane sugar. Not top 5 grade, but cane sweetness none the less.

Some people I guess, would still miss Coke.

God bless democracy and the concept of unity in diversity.

THE FUNNY thing is guano is a highly effective fertilizer... bird guano is actually a decent fertilizer.... but it also has other uses, as a fungicide when fed to plants through leaves.. pretty good info I got from my friend who is an ecologist with the CDC here in Atlanta..

with that said, I miss the coke with the bird guano, because I was looking forward to steady growth.

instead we have pepsi with what you call a lower grade cane sugar? well why would we want that? the sugars we find in soda are not healthy as it is, and you are championing a lower grade? but I guess it is fitting, sweet to the taste buds initially, but sooner or later you notice the weight gain, sluggish behavior and then.. boom, diabetes.....

no thanks.. give me the Bird guano, i can use it as fertilizer to help my product grow, and then I can use the rest to grow sugar cane and sell the rest of that to the pepsi loving fools out there , make a few billion and watch them get fat....

Hey, it won't be top 5 cane sugar.. but you can feel free to call it " THE BEST PURE SUGAR IN THE LEAGUE".

So you like drinking Bird s@@@

if it tasted like coke and doesn't harm me, why not?

Are you that guy on the Travel channel on the show Bizarre Foods?

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11/14/2012  2:09 PM
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:I will never ever like the trade.

... but just keeping persepctive.

I could understand this perspective better if Melo had turned out to be Marbles.

We had Coke, we traded it for Pepsi.

We now find out two years later, that Coke's main ingredient is bird guano.

We still have Pepsi, which we find is made with a rather high grade of pure cane sugar. Not top 5 grade, but cane sweetness none the less.

Some people I guess, would still miss Coke.

God bless democracy and the concept of unity in diversity.

THE FUNNY thing is guano is a highly effective fertilizer... bird guano is actually a decent fertilizer.... but it also has other uses, as a fungicide when fed to plants through leaves.. pretty good info I got from my friend who is an ecologist with the CDC here in Atlanta..

with that said, I miss the coke with the bird guano, because I was looking forward to steady growth.

instead we have pepsi with what you call a lower grade cane sugar? well why would we want that? the sugars we find in soda are not healthy as it is, and you are championing a lower grade? but I guess it is fitting, sweet to the taste buds initially, but sooner or later you notice the weight gain, sluggish behavior and then.. boom, diabetes.....

no thanks.. give me the Bird guano, i can use it as fertilizer to help my product grow, and then I can use the rest to grow sugar cane and sell the rest of that to the pepsi loving fools out there , make a few billion and watch them get fat....

Hey, it won't be top 5 cane sugar.. but you can feel free to call it " THE BEST PURE SUGAR IN THE LEAGUE".


The bigger problem someone else has acquired better grades of Sugars/Fructose....

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11/14/2012  2:12 PM
3G4G wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:I will never ever like the trade.

... but just keeping persepctive.

I could understand this perspective better if Melo had turned out to be Marbles.

We had Coke, we traded it for Pepsi.

We now find out two years later, that Coke's main ingredient is bird guano.

We still have Pepsi, which we find is made with a rather high grade of pure cane sugar. Not top 5 grade, but cane sweetness none the less.

Some people I guess, would still miss Coke.

God bless democracy and the concept of unity in diversity.

THE FUNNY thing is guano is a highly effective fertilizer... bird guano is actually a decent fertilizer.... but it also has other uses, as a fungicide when fed to plants through leaves.. pretty good info I got from my friend who is an ecologist with the CDC here in Atlanta..

with that said, I miss the coke with the bird guano, because I was looking forward to steady growth.

instead we have pepsi with what you call a lower grade cane sugar? well why would we want that? the sugars we find in soda are not healthy as it is, and you are championing a lower grade? but I guess it is fitting, sweet to the taste buds initially, but sooner or later you notice the weight gain, sluggish behavior and then.. boom, diabetes.....

no thanks.. give me the Bird guano, i can use it as fertilizer to help my product grow, and then I can use the rest to grow sugar cane and sell the rest of that to the pepsi loving fools out there , make a few billion and watch them get fat....

Hey, it won't be top 5 cane sugar.. but you can feel free to call it " THE BEST PURE SUGAR IN THE LEAGUE".


The bigger problem someone else has acquired better grades of Sugars/Fructose....

yea, that is the biggest problem.. but heck.. give us back the bird guano, at least it had some useful properties...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/14/2012  2:12 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:I will never ever like the trade.

... but just keeping persepctive.

I could understand this perspective better if Melo had turned out to be Marbles.

We had Coke, we traded it for Pepsi.

We now find out two years later, that Coke's main ingredient is bird guano.

We still have Pepsi, which we find is made with a rather high grade of pure cane sugar. Not top 5 grade, but cane sweetness none the less.

Some people I guess, would still miss Coke.

God bless democracy and the concept of unity in diversity.

THE FUNNY thing is guano is a highly effective fertilizer... bird guano is actually a decent fertilizer.... but it also has other uses, as a fungicide when fed to plants through leaves.. pretty good info I got from my friend who is an ecologist with the CDC here in Atlanta..

with that said, I miss the coke with the bird guano, because I was looking forward to steady growth.

instead we have pepsi with what you call a lower grade cane sugar? well why would we want that? the sugars we find in soda are not healthy as it is, and you are championing a lower grade? but I guess it is fitting, sweet to the taste buds initially, but sooner or later you notice the weight gain, sluggish behavior and then.. boom, diabetes.....

no thanks.. give me the Bird guano, i can use it as fertilizer to help my product grow, and then I can use the rest to grow sugar cane and sell the rest of that to the pepsi loving fools out there , make a few billion and watch them get fat....

Hey, it won't be top 5 cane sugar.. but you can feel free to call it " THE BEST PURE SUGAR IN THE LEAGUE".

So you like drinking Bird s@@@

if it tasted like coke and doesn't harm me, why not?

Are you that guy on the Travel channel on the show Bizarre Foods?

one of my favorite shows...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/14/2012  2:39 PM
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:I will never ever like the trade.

... but just keeping persepctive.

I could understand this perspective better if Melo had turned out to be Marbles.

We had Coke, we traded it for Pepsi.

We now find out two years later, that Coke's main ingredient is bird guano.

We still have Pepsi, which we find is made with a rather high grade of pure cane sugar. Not top 5 grade, but cane sweetness none the less.

Some people I guess, would still miss Coke.

God bless democracy and the concept of unity in diversity.

THE FUNNY thing is guano is a highly effective fertilizer... bird guano is actually a decent fertilizer.... but it also has other uses, as a fungicide when fed to plants through leaves.. pretty good info I got from my friend who is an ecologist with the CDC here in Atlanta..

with that said, I miss the coke with the bird guano, because I was looking forward to steady growth.

instead we have pepsi with what you call a lower grade cane sugar? well why would we want that? the sugars we find in soda are not healthy as it is, and you are championing a lower grade? but I guess it is fitting, sweet to the taste buds initially, but sooner or later you notice the weight gain, sluggish behavior and then.. boom, diabetes.....

no thanks.. give me the Bird guano, i can use it as fertilizer to help my product grow, and then I can use the rest to grow sugar cane and sell the rest of that to the pepsi loving fools out there , make a few billion and watch them get fat....

Hey, it won't be top 5 cane sugar.. but you can feel free to call it " THE BEST PURE SUGAR IN THE LEAGUE".

So you like drinking Bird s@@@

if it tasted like coke and doesn't harm me, why not?

Are you that guy on the Travel channel on the show Bizarre Foods?

one of my favorite shows...

That guy is a beast. I couldn't do it. Him and Bear Grylls will eat anything.

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11/14/2012  2:49 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:I will never ever like the trade.

... but just keeping persepctive.

I could understand this perspective better if Melo had turned out to be Marbles.

We had Coke, we traded it for Pepsi.

We now find out two years later, that Coke's main ingredient is bird guano.

We still have Pepsi, which we find is made with a rather high grade of pure cane sugar. Not top 5 grade, but cane sweetness none the less.

Some people I guess, would still miss Coke.

God bless democracy and the concept of unity in diversity.

THE FUNNY thing is guano is a highly effective fertilizer... bird guano is actually a decent fertilizer.... but it also has other uses, as a fungicide when fed to plants through leaves.. pretty good info I got from my friend who is an ecologist with the CDC here in Atlanta..

with that said, I miss the coke with the bird guano, because I was looking forward to steady growth.

instead we have pepsi with what you call a lower grade cane sugar? well why would we want that? the sugars we find in soda are not healthy as it is, and you are championing a lower grade? but I guess it is fitting, sweet to the taste buds initially, but sooner or later you notice the weight gain, sluggish behavior and then.. boom, diabetes.....

no thanks.. give me the Bird guano, i can use it as fertilizer to help my product grow, and then I can use the rest to grow sugar cane and sell the rest of that to the pepsi loving fools out there , make a few billion and watch them get fat....

Hey, it won't be top 5 cane sugar.. but you can feel free to call it " THE BEST PURE SUGAR IN THE LEAGUE".

So you like drinking Bird s@@@

if it tasted like coke and doesn't harm me, why not?

Are you that guy on the Travel channel on the show Bizarre Foods?

one of my favorite shows...

That guy is a beast. I couldn't do it. Him and Bear Grylls will eat anything.

yea, zimmerman is a beast, and he has eaten all over the world.. I would take his job just for the travel, but some of the stuff he eats is just downright ridiculous.. LOL

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/14/2012  2:51 PM
"Bird Guanno"?

I thought that was one of Popovitch's new players he found with a 4th round pick spurs had.

(Yes, I know there are only two rounds)

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11/14/2012  4:39 PM
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FlipPoker wrote:I'll admit that I didn't like the trade at the time. But we got Felton back, and there are some nice pieces around Melo now. This is a good-looking Knicks squad. Gotta give management some credit.

I don't think getting Felton back should be considered a good thing yet. He's been pretty bad overall and was absolutely brutal last night.

Brutal?! Were you watching the game or stat watching? If you watched the game, you'd know that Felton made some key baskets in the 3rd quarter to keep us in it while the Magic were pretty much lights out. He also made some nice passes to Tyson to seal the deal down the stretch. Wondering, if Felton has been brutal thus far, how would you classify Lin's season?

I watched the game and you can sugarcoat him going 9-23 and leading the team in FGA all you want but he sucked last night. And, I don't think that a player shooting 40% from the field should be taking the 3rd most shots on the team overall and only 0.2 shots less per game than JR. It hasn't really hurt us yet but it's going to and Felton either needs to learn how to his those midrange jumpers other teams are leaving him wide open for, because he sucks at them, or he needs to ****ing pass the ball more often. Felton should not be and should never be the 3rd offensive option for a championship level team and he needs to realize that.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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11/14/2012  4:50 PM
VCoug wrote:
Uptown wrote:
VCoug wrote:
FlipPoker wrote:I'll admit that I didn't like the trade at the time. But we got Felton back, and there are some nice pieces around Melo now. This is a good-looking Knicks squad. Gotta give management some credit.

I don't think getting Felton back should be considered a good thing yet. He's been pretty bad overall and was absolutely brutal last night.

Brutal?! Were you watching the game or stat watching? If you watched the game, you'd know that Felton made some key baskets in the 3rd quarter to keep us in it while the Magic were pretty much lights out. He also made some nice passes to Tyson to seal the deal down the stretch. Wondering, if Felton has been brutal thus far, how would you classify Lin's season?

I watched the game and you can sugarcoat him going 9-23 and leading the team in FGA all you want but he sucked last night. And, I don't think that a player shooting 40% from the field should be taking the 3rd most shots on the team overall and only 0.2 shots less per game than JR. It hasn't really hurt us yet but it's going to and Felton either needs to learn how to his those midrange jumpers other teams are leaving him wide open for, because he sucks at them, or he needs to ****ing pass the ball more often. Felton should not be and should never be the 3rd offensive option for a championship level team and he needs to realize that.


Felton is somewhat in that "thirsty" mode again. Not exactly endearing as I can't stand seeing a point take 20fg no matter who they are but Felton hit some big shots as the game progressed.

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11/14/2012  7:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2012  7:48 PM
Felton had a good game last night...His FG attempts wasn't reflective of his his overall game...He did take a couple 75 footers at the end of the quarter if I'm correct..But he took shots within the flow of the offense...Dude has been solid since returning...It's precisely because of his play that this team is considered a contender...If anyone is going to integrate Amare into this offense, again, it will be Felton...The Knicks are lucky Felton was available...Clearly he is a much better option than Lin...I'm a little shocked at all the negative commentary about Felton's game, but it seems like there is a common thread in all the commentators...They love Lin...
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11/14/2012  8:34 PM
holfresh wrote:Felton had a good game last night...His FG attempts wasn't reflective of his his overall game...He did take a couple 75 footers at the end of the quarter if I'm correct..But he took shots within the flow of the offense...Dude has been solid since returning...It's precisely because of his play that this team is considered a contender...If anyone is going to integrate Amare into this offense, again, it will be Felton...The Knicks are lucky Felton was available...Clearly he is a much better option than Lin...I'm a little shocked at all the negative commentary about Felton's game, but it seems like there is a common thread in all the commentators...They love Lin...

The reason a lot of those shots were in the flow of the offense was because Orlando was playing off him on the pick and roll because they wanted him to take those shots. Felton is a terrible shooter and Orlando decided, and other teams will also, that they're better off doubling the guy setting the pick and daring Felton to shoot. And it's precisely because of Melo, JR, Tyson, Kidd, and Brewer that some people consider us a contender after only 5 games. Once Camby's in playing shape and Amare and Shumpert come back they'll be ranked ahead of Felton also.

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11/14/2012  8:52 PM
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holfresh wrote:Felton had a good game last night...His FG attempts wasn't reflective of his his overall game...He did take a couple 75 footers at the end of the quarter if I'm correct..But he took shots within the flow of the offense...Dude has been solid since returning...It's precisely because of his play that this team is considered a contender...If anyone is going to integrate Amare into this offense, again, it will be Felton...The Knicks are lucky Felton was available...Clearly he is a much better option than Lin...I'm a little shocked at all the negative commentary about Felton's game, but it seems like there is a common thread in all the commentators...They love Lin...

The reason a lot of those shots were in the flow of the offense was because Orlando was playing off him on the pick and roll because they wanted him to take those shots. Felton is a terrible shooter and Orlando decided, and other teams will also, that they're better off doubling the guy setting the pick and daring Felton to shoot. And it's precisely because of Melo, JR, Tyson, Kidd, and Brewer that some people consider us a contender after only 5 games. Once Camby's in playing shape and Amare and Shumpert come back they'll be ranked ahead of Felton also.

The second most important person on the Knicks right now is Felton..Don't kidd yourself, pun intended...He runs the offense and the flow of the game..As Jason Kidd said, he is the engine to what's happening out there...If u think otherwise you aren't paying attention...

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11/14/2012  8:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2012  8:54 PM
It's really hard to talk about reversing the trade, when arguably the biggest piece we gave up, Ray Felton, is back with the team. At the time, we wound up with Chauncey Billups at PG and couldn't run an MDA offense; completely different scenario. I would not reverse the trade now. There are scenarios that would make sense, but I like where this team wound up, so we'll see where we go.
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11/14/2012  9:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2012  9:02 PM
Orlando dared Felton to shoot. He hit his threes last night for the most part and drove for a few layups. And missed every midrange shot which he has done his entire career and the reason he shoots 41% for his career. Looking for a reason why he shot 9 for 23 but still played a decent game look no further than that. Last night was the epitome of Ray's career. Its been 10yrs but if Felton ever works on improving his midrange jumper he will be closer to being considered with the elite PGs in the league
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11/14/2012  9:04 PM
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Felton should not be and should never be the 3rd offensive option for a championship level team and he needs to realize that.
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He could be if he ever worked on his midrange shot. You would never see 9 for 23 again

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11/14/2012  9:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2012  9:09 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Orlando dared Felton to shoot. He hit his threes last night for the most part and drove for a few layups. And missed every midrange shot which he has done his entire career and the reason he shoots 41% for his career. Looking for a reason why he shot 9 for 23 but still played a decent game look no further than that. Last night was the epitome of Ray's career. Its been 10yrs but if Felton ever works on improving his midrange jumper he will be closer to being considered with the elite PGs in the league

He missed a few layups too...Look at his shot chart...nothing midrange...all long jumpers and layups..

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=400277824

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11/14/2012  9:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2012  9:29 PM
maybe 1 or 2 layups which is not a big deal. He also made 2 layups i remember on drives. He went 3-7 from 3 which is great. Thats about 11 shots right thereso the other 12 misses came in that midrange 10-20ft area he has been historically inefficient at. Why I see this and nor he or his coaches see this in trying to make him a more complete PG is beyond me
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11/14/2012  9:09 PM
felton for his career:

FG% 41.2
3PT% 33.0
eFG% 45.5
TS% 49.8
FT% 78.6
AST/TO ratio 2.57

he lacks court vision
he runs a sub-par pick and roll
he can't maintain his dribble
his off hand is very weak, if not non-existent
he lacks craft and savvy
the game has not slowed down for him
he is a below average defender
he stunk in denver
he stunk in portland
he is incapable of orchestrating
he is okay in the alley-oop... so what

he was given a two-year contract by walsh with good reason

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/14/2012  9:10 PM
gunsnewing wrote:maybe 1 or 2 layups which is not a big deal. He also made 2 layups i remember on drives. He went 3-7 from 3. Thats about 11 shots right thereso the other 12 misses came in that midrange 10-20ft area he has been historically inefficient at. Why I see this and nor he or his coaches see this in trying to make him a more complete PG is beyond me

20 feet isn't midrange..10-15 is midrange...

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11/14/2012  9:12 PM
dk7th wrote:felton for his career:

FG% 41.2
3PT% 33.0
eFG% 45.5
TS% 49.8
FT% 78.6
AST/TO ratio 2.57

he lacks court vision
he runs a sub-par pick and roll
he can't maintain his dribble
his off hand is very weak, if not non-existent
he lacks craft and savvy
the game has not slowed down for him
he is a below average defender
he stunk in denver
he stunk in portland
he is incapable of orchestrating
he is okay in the alley-oop... so what

he was given a two-year contract by walsh with good reason

And he is better than Lin at this very moment..What does that say about Lin...

How many Knicks fans would trade Carmelo for Gallinari, Chandler and Mosgov right now?

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