MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.

2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB - #2 in scoring, #5 in Off. Eff.

Miss that one?

yup, i did the average. ironically, it doesn't include d'antoni's horror show in denver to start his career with van exel and chauncey.

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.

2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB - #2 in scoring, #5 in Off. Eff.

Miss that one?

yup, i did the average. ironically, it doesn't include d'antoni's horror show in denver to start his career with van exel and chauncey.

The average is a null state. TD, Shump, Bibby, Duhon, TD, Hughes? We all see what's wrong here. And, ****, even with Duhon he had them balling.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.

Again you are expressing your ignorance of the truth. Would you consider Duhon a decent NBA PG? Dude was never really a good PG and even tho he raised his level of play it wasn't enough to overcome his low talent level. As soon as Felton got the hang of the offense this team was up in the range of his teams run by Nash in terms of Efficiency and scoring. RIGHT NEAR THE TOP OF THE LEAGUE!!! SO it wasn't just Nash. Yes Nash was the perfect man for this system, but MDA showed last year that even a guy like Felton could produce results. With Felton running the show this team was a top offensive team. TD isn't even at Duhon level and the evidence shows. We can't rely on Shump to handle such a tough role right off the bat when he should be brought along more slowly. Most guards need years to learn the NBA game at a high level. Shump isn't even a pure PG and he's doing the best he can under a lot of pressure. This coach needs to be allowed to coach this season to see if he can get this team to fight thru this slump.

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.

2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB - #2 in scoring, #5 in Off. Eff.

Miss that one?

yup, i did the average. ironically, it doesn't include d'antoni's horror show in denver to start his career with van exel and chauncey.

People see ONLY what they want to see. You can also conclude he average 2.1 in Offensive Efficiency when he has had a PG who is starting quality or higher. Duhon is pathetic and TD is third string scrub.

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

So what you're saying is D'Antoni system under NASH are highly efficient but with any other PG is mediocre at best in offensive efficiency. How does this prove Dantoni is a good coach..especially when u compound it with the Records of his non-Nash led teams.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.

Again you are expressing your ignorance of the truth. Would you consider Duhon a decent NBA PG? Dude was never really a good PG and even tho he raised his level of play it wasn't enough to overcome his low talent level. As soon as Felton got the hang of the offense this team was up in the range of his teams run by Nash in terms of Efficiency and scoring. RIGHT NEAR THE TOP OF THE LEAGUE!!! SO it wasn't just Nash. Yes Nash was the perfect man for this system, but MDA showed last year that even a guy like Felton could produce results. With Felton running the show this team was a top offensive team. TD isn't even at Duhon level and the evidence shows. We can't rely on Shump to handle such a tough role right off the bat when he should be brought along more slowly. Most guards need years to learn the NBA game at a high level. Shump isn't even a pure PG and he's doing the best he can under a lot of pressure. This coach needs to be allowed to coach this season to see if he can get this team to fight thru this slump.

i thought shump had ROY on lockdown tho? i thought d'antoni had imbued him with offensive understanding?

i mean, cripes, rubio had 17pts and 12asts and 4steals tonight in a win IN dallas. shump's gonna beat him for ROY and has the best offensive coach in the history of basketball who has just been beset by horrible point guards until shump right?

so how assists must shump have had tonight for this offensive genius with a lineup sporting two perennial all-stars and a champion center?

man, it must have been great to see d'antoni lead the offense tonight via shumpert's steady hand. it must have been magical.

loweyecue wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.

2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB - #2 in scoring, #5 in Off. Eff.

Miss that one?

yup, i did the average. ironically, it doesn't include d'antoni's horror show in denver to start his career with van exel and chauncey.

People see ONLY what they want to see. You can also conclude he average 2.1 in Offensive Efficiency when he has had a PG who is starting quality or higher. Duhon is pathetic and TD is third string scrub.

How about the wins? where are those stats? How about the fundamentals defensively? How about the effort?

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.

2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB - #2 in scoring, #5 in Off. Eff.

Miss that one?

yup, i did the average. ironically, it doesn't include d'antoni's horror show in denver to start his career with van exel and chauncey.

The average is a null state. TD, Shump, Bibby, Duhon, TD, Hughes? We all see what's wrong here. And, ****, even with Duhon he had them balling.

he had them balling with duhon at #17 in offensive efficiency? i must be too ignant to understand the brilliance of d'antoni's offense.

i wonder how the lakers are able to such a good record without an elite point guard?

You're out on the ledge now. I agree with your more reasonable points but now you are telling me you don't recognize what's what in that list.

It's pretty clear that if you give him a half-way decent point the team will ball something ill-nasty.

Felton came close to Nash.

Duhon is barely an NBA point guard.

hmm, i wonder what the offensive rating was for the suns with nash AFTER d'antoni left? it must have been horrible. let's check in:

Suns 2008-9 - offensive rating 1st in scoring, 2nd in offensive efficiency (coach terry porter for 50 games, alvin gentry for 30)
Suns 2009-10 - offensive rating 1st in scoring, 1st in offensive efficiency (coach alvin gentry)

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.

2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB - #2 in scoring, #5 in Off. Eff.

Miss that one?

yup, i did the average. ironically, it doesn't include d'antoni's horror show in denver to start his career with van exel and chauncey.

The average is a null state. TD, Shump, Bibby, Duhon, TD, Hughes? We all see what's wrong here. And, ****, even with Duhon he had them balling.

he had them balling with duhon at #17 in offensive efficiency? i must be too ignant to understand the brilliance of d'antoni's offense.

i wonder how the lakers are able to such a good record without an elite point guard?

You're out on the ledge now. I agree with your more reasonable points but now you are telling me you don't recognize what's what in that list.

It's pretty clear that if you give him a half-way decent point the team will ball something ill-nasty.

Felton came close to Nash.

Duhon is barely an NBA point guard.

hmm, i wonder what the offensive rating was for the suns with nash AFTER d'antoni left? it must have been horrible. let's check in:

Suns 2008-9 - offensive rating 2nd overall (coach terry porter for 50 games, alvin gentry for 30)
Suns 2009-10 - offensive rating 1st overall (coach alvin gentry)

It's well documented that they essentially ran the D'Antoni system after he left. Alvin Gentry and Steve Nash are on record confirming this.

D'Antoni left, they gave up on the Shaq-ball, and they went back to what they know.

The wisdom D'Antoni imparted on Nash didn't just float away, Nash was able to continue what he was taught and he did this with good results.

He was thrown to the wolves. Come on.

It's one thing to say D'Antoni is no longer a good fit for this team, it's an entirely different matter to say that he is a flat-out terrible coach, right?

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.

2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB - #2 in scoring, #5 in Off. Eff.

Miss that one?

yup, i did the average. ironically, it doesn't include d'antoni's horror show in denver to start his career with van exel and chauncey.

The average is a null state. TD, Shump, Bibby, Duhon, TD, Hughes? We all see what's wrong here. And, ****, even with Duhon he had them balling.

he had them balling with duhon at #17 in offensive efficiency? i must be too ignant to understand the brilliance of d'antoni's offense.

i wonder how the lakers are able to such a good record without an elite point guard?

You're out on the ledge now. I agree with your more reasonable points but now you are telling me you don't recognize what's what in that list.

It's pretty clear that if you give him a half-way decent point the team will ball something ill-nasty.

Felton came close to Nash.

Duhon is barely an NBA point guard.

hmm, i wonder what the offensive rating was for the suns with nash AFTER d'antoni left? it must have been horrible. let's check in:

Suns 2008-9 - offensive rating 2nd overall (coach terry porter for 50 games, alvin gentry for 30)
Suns 2009-10 - offensive rating 1st overall (coach alvin gentry)

It's well documented that they essentially ran the D'Antoni system after he left. Alvin Gentry and Steve Nash are on record confirming this.

D'Antoni left, they gave up on the Shaq-ball, and they went back to what they know.

The wisdom D'Antoni imparted on Nash didn't just float away, Nash was able to continue what he was taught and he did this with good results.

i thought porter was fired because he wouldn't run d'antoni's system? how is it possible in a season he coached 51 out of 81 games that the suns were first in the league in points per game and second in efficiency?

how is it even possible?!?!??

i guess some of the glow of d'antoni's essence was still in the water in phoenix.