joec32033 wrote:

TMS wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Offer Wilson, Eddy, Toney, 2 2nd round picks and $3 mil for Carmelo. If you need to, throw in a guy like Walker or Bukakke(salary permitting).

throw in Andy Rautins & you got yerself a deal!

come on bro.

No deal. Need Rautins for the white guy with crazy hair quota every team has.

Seriously, why compete with ourselves? Offer that and if they come back with a combo of say a base of Randolph Curry and Wilson...so be it.

i think a reasonable offer would be AR or Gallo, Curry, Wilson & both our 2nd rounders... you're talking about a guy who's averaged 25 & 6 over his career & is only 26 years old, just hitting his prime... there's really no use making a silly lowball offer for a guy like Melo... i think Donnie needs to deal in good faith if he expects DEN to consider his offer.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The fact that Donnie Walsh, of all people, is commenting on RUMORS tells me all I need to know. Seriously Walsh just shut up. If we start out slow you are just going to look like a fool.

There was ZERO reason to have direct quotes from Walsh when there aren't any direct quotes from a Denver executive saying our assets are undesirable. I can only guess that Walsh made an offer and Denver blew him off and now he is on the defensive.

The only person that needs to shut up is you. You're irritating.

It's quite clear with your crappy insistence on the Melo to Nets deal happening that you want Carmelo to end up elsewhere so you can get on your little pedestal and cry about how Walsh failed the franchise again. You've already advocated guys like Crawford and Randolph and said Isiah was "not that bad" so that clearly tells us all that needs to know about your agenda. Not to mention that you've been banned from another Knicks forum for extreme negativity. Maybe this will be the second.

theres that greek passion - panos has nothing on you. well said.

Nothing wrong with that.

Rookie wrote:been meaning to ask...can we sign Melo to a max deal with the cap hold on our young players...gallo, randolf, douglass and chandler...then there's also Az and Turiaf. So considering we do sign Melo...who can we keep under the cap

AR, Gallo, Douglas, Walker.. all would come back. Thats the point in NOT trading for Melo now, and certainly NOT at the deadline. If we make as far as the deadline why trade for him them? We will just max him out 4 months later and keep our good young players.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The fact that Donnie Walsh, of all people, is commenting on RUMORS tells me all I need to know. Seriously Walsh just shut up. If we start out slow you are just going to look like a fool.

There was ZERO reason to have direct quotes from Walsh when there aren't any direct quotes from a Denver executive saying our assets are undesirable. I can only guess that Walsh made an offer and Denver blew him off and now he is on the defensive.

The only person that needs to shut up is you. You're irritating.

It's quite clear with your crappy insistence on the Melo to Nets deal happening that you want Carmelo to end up elsewhere so you can get on your little pedestal and cry about how Walsh failed the franchise again. You've already advocated guys like Crawford and Randolph and said Isiah was "not that bad" so that clearly tells us all that needs to know about your agenda. Not to mention that you've been banned from another Knicks forum for extreme negativity. Maybe this will be the second.

Word. A hearty +1 to that sentiment. Sick of all the crybaby trolling.

TMS wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

TMS wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Offer Wilson, Eddy, Toney, 2 2nd round picks and $3 mil for Carmelo. If you need to, throw in a guy like Walker or Bukakke(salary permitting).

throw in Andy Rautins & you got yerself a deal!

come on bro.

No deal. Need Rautins for the white guy with crazy hair quota every team has.

Seriously, why compete with ourselves? Offer that and if they come back with a combo of say a base of Randolph Curry and Wilson...so be it.

i think a reasonable offer would be AR or Gallo, Curry, Wilson & both our 2nd rounders... you're talking about a guy who's averaged 25 & 6 over his career & is only 26 years old, just hitting his prime... there's really no use making a silly lowball offer for a guy like Melo... i think Donnie needs to deal in good faith if he expects DEN to consider his offer.

I could see both Gallo and AR with similar averages at 26 (that's four and five years from now, respectively) and do so more efficiently than Melo. Not saying I don't want him... I do. But not at the cost of long-term viability.

I still maintain that I would part with Gallo ONLY because he is a bit redundant with Melo and it wouldn't make sense to play him at the 2 or off the bench (i.e., he has too much value for that). But I would rather use him to trade for the third piece (i.e., CP3, Deron, etc.) rather than give him up now for a piece we could have free and clear.

I am starting to lean heavily toward Briggs' idea of waiting until the deadline and if Melo is still on the block, offer Curry, Wilson, $3mil and the second rounders. Nothing more.

TMS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

TMS wrote:
i think a reasonable offer would be AR or Gallo, Curry, Wilson & both our 2nd rounders... you're talking about a guy who's averaged 25 & 6 over his career & is only 26 years old, just hitting his prime... there's really no use making a silly lowball offer for a guy like Melo... i think Donnie needs to deal in good faith if he expects DEN to consider his offer.

I could see both Gallo and AR with similar averages at 26 (that's four and five years from now, respectively) and do so more efficiently than Melo. Not saying I don't want him... I do. But not at the cost of long-term viability.

I still maintain that I would part with Gallo ONLY because he is a bit redundant with Melo and it wouldn't make sense to play him at the 2 or off the bench (i.e., he has too much value for that). But I would rather use him to trade for the third piece (i.e., CP3, Deron, etc.) rather than give him up now for a piece we could have free and clear.

I am starting to lean heavily toward Briggs' idea of waiting until the deadline and if Melo is still on the block, offer Curry, Wilson, $3mil and the second rounders. Nothing more.

hoping for Gallo or AR to start averaging 25 & 6 is a fantasy... that would probably be Gallo's absolute top ceiling if that, & there's no chance AR will put up those types of offensive numbers IMO, he's a different kind of player... IMO it would probably make sense to trade Gallo for Melo & keep AR on the roster since he's a more complementary type player to Melo's skillset.

I don't know enough about AR's game to back up words about his averages at 26, so I'll retract that part. I think he brings the sort of mixed skillset we desperately need (i.e., length, defensive ability, finishing ability) and so I consider him untouchable.

It would definitely make more sense to trade Gallo (if we must give one of the yoots to land a superstar), but I'd rather trade him for CP3 after he blows up this season. And I didn't necessarily think Gallo would average 25/6, but I could see him doing something like 22/9/4 efficiently, which could be argued is preferable to Melo's current "volume shooter" averages.

One thing Melo has demonstrated that I would want to see from Gallo is the killer instinct and clutch shooting late in the fourth quarter, when the game is on the line. That's something a superstar brings that should never be undervalued, because its a difference maker. But again, I could easily envision Gallo being just that sort of guy at 26yo.

Time will tell.

Source tells me the NY Knicks have a deal available to acquire a No. 1 draft pick in 2011 for use in a C.Anthony trade, if talks revived.
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Source tells me the NY Knicks have a deal available to acquire a No. 1 draft pick in 2011 for use in a C.Anthony trade, if talks revived.
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Denver has been very successful in getting writers to accept that the Knicks have no young players of value, but it's not true at all, and I don't think that it was that hard for Donnie to find a team that would take one of our players for a pick- after all a lot of teams sell them for cash nearer the draft.

Personally, I'd rather have one of our young players than a draft pick if I was Denver- the draft is pretty hit or miss, especially outside of the top ten.

At a guess, I'd say Chandler could get a mid round pick, maybe a combination of Douglas and Walker could get you a latter one. If a trade was done now for Melo it would probably be Gallo plus a 2011 pick (for Chandler) plus our 2014 plus our second rounders. But to be honest I think Denver was just saying they wanted a 2011 pick because they knew we didn't have one- they have no intention of trading him to us unless it's an absolute last resort and will say anything to conceal the fact they're only doing it out of spite.