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nixluva
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6/25/2010  12:14 AM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Who cares if we get Jerome Jordan? D'Anotni isnt going to play him unless he can shoot 3's. I guess some forget we had Darko who is better than Jerome Jordan offensively.

dude, please give this type of posting a break, OK? Thanks.


Thanks Martin. I was about to go off, but now I can just make a calm comment. We have to see what happens with the roster, but I think if MDA can get on board with Shaq and play him, he can play just about any C that has game. To bring up Darko or any other low end C and use that as the defacto proof that MDA has a zero Center policy is way over the top. We saw him force feed Curry to the detriment of the team.

I hope the rumor is true just to see if the kid can help. I wonder if they'll ask Zoubek to come on board or any other kid that didn't get drafted?

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6/25/2010  12:26 AM
Look, I'm with you guys about certain things. But going rah-rah over 2nd round draft picks after this whirlwind past few days? I just can't.
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6/25/2010  12:37 AM
I think we need to at least see these guys in action before we can go either way on the moves. Rautins is no different than a Korver or Kapono 3pt specialists. Thing is he's got better passing ability and BB IQ. That's a very useful skill in this system. You want guys that can shoot and pass. On D, they say Rautins is good with his hands, plays well in the Zone and i'm guessing that he'll just have to do the best he can on D, just like all the other 3 pt specialists that aren't known as great defenders.

Fields looks like a true sleeper. There's nothing negative I can find on the guy. I was gonna say maybe he's not athletic, but turns out he's got a 39" vert, so he's a stud physically on top of solid fundamentals.

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6/25/2010  12:44 AM
I'm sooooo happy I choose not to look at the Draft last night. I would have been very disappointed. Granted, we didn't have great picks, but no trades? No buying of the first round pick. Arrest warrants out for Eddy Curry. A lackluster night indeed.
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6/25/2010  1:00 AM
I don't recall even seeing either Andy Rautins or Landry Fields in any of the mocks. LOL

Second rounders are a guessing game. Maybe we got some ballers. Who knows? It's impossible to tell at this point.

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6/25/2010  2:15 AM
Sangfroid wrote:I'm sooooo happy I choose not to look at the Draft last night. I would have been very disappointed. Granted, we didn't have great picks, but no trades? No buying of the first round pick. Arrest warrants out for Eddy Curry. A lackluster night indeed.

It was an uneventful draft but after thinking on it I can understand that it may not have been worth the expense when most of this talent is so equal. Heck guys that didn't get drafted may end up being better than many of these guys drafted. We'll see who the knicks go after from the list of undrafted.

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6/25/2010  3:37 AM
Stanley Robinson at 59--that is a steal of a pick that late--truly a crazy draft that while it might have been soft after 10 really couldve used a third round--too many guys good enough to make the NBA not even picked--most in any draft that I can ever remember.
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6/25/2010  4:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  4:45 AM
Article on Landry from a fan in the Bay Area who actually watched his game:

http://www.jakestakeonsports.com/index.php/cal/rhetorical-tuesday-why-is-nba-not-raving-about-landry-fields-and-other-issues/

and his followup article after the draft:

http://www.jakestakeonsports.com/index.php/featured/knicks-take-smart-pills-draft-landry-fields-in-second-round/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+jakestakeonsports+(Jake's+Take+On+Sports)


Also of note, Phoenix was rumored to be very interested in Landry with the #46 pick:

http://arizona.sbnation.com/2010/6/24/1534664/rumor-suns-draft-landry-fields-standford

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6/25/2010  6:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  7:00 AM
scoshin wrote:
Phoenix was rumored to be very interested in Landry with the #46 pick:

Steve Kerr had this to say about Fields when he talked to us last week while Landry was in town for a pre-draft workout, “Landry’s a good player. Versatile. Does a lot of things out on the floor, always seems to be in the mix. Got a little bit of Jared Dudley in him in terms of taking charges and making plays and creating extra possessions and he’s a pretty talented offensive player too.”

His senior year was light years ahead of what he did as a junior. He may have hit a maturity spurt between his junior and senior years, or maybe he finally hit the weights. He seems fairly well built to me, yet many analysts in the draft sites commented on his lack of strength- you wonder if they even saw him play as a senior. After a rather pedestrian junior year, I expect that he was off the radar of the basketball world, and that is why there was so little known about him.

Intelligent kid- you can read his blog on DraftExpress: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Landry-Fields-5803/

I am willing to give this kid a chance.


Also on DraftExpress- rather funny- from Givony's Tweet:

Landry Fields' agent Chris Emens busted my balls for the past two months about not having his client in our mock. Dammit he was right.
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6/25/2010  10:00 AM
ultimately the draft is a crapshoot. you have to be more lucky than good.

maybe the guys the knicks drafted could be good rotation players...or maybe they are in the wnba within 2 years but at this point nobody knows...

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6/25/2010  10:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  10:19 AM
Interesting draft compared to last year. This year only 6 PG were taken in 2 full rounds while last year there were 5 PG taken in the first 10 picks.

I don't quite understand our picks but will wait and see if Donnie has something else in mind. No PG, no center selected so maybe we are thinking of Earl Barron as better than anyone else available? Both our picks are upper classman, so have a lot of college playing experience and more maturity.

Andy Rautins - Another Syracuse "shooter". Hope he pans out better than Demetius Nichols, another Syracuse "shooter" we selected. I think Rautins can handle the ball pretty well, and is a very good catch and shoot guard.

Landry Fields - I don't know much about him but since he was the PAC-10 leading scorer , he is worth a shot.

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6/25/2010  11:13 AM
Maybe I am wrong--but I would have bought that 25 pick from Memphis--even if I had to give up one of my 30 picks as well and taken Whiteside. I think the effort to make this team more defensively balanced has been atrocious. We had all the capability to do it and we did not.I think when you are drafting late its all about the guy with the highest upside potential. I think there are many of us who haev been beggiung the Knicks to bite the F bullet and bring in a nice C prospect--look at this team how it is composed--we have 5 wing players and a combo guard. We put 0 emphasis on important aspects of the game and if the excuse is over 1mm in salary cap--that is insane. The draft was not a good statement nor was it a direction. I really don't like what we are doing with MDA and I would rather we hire KP today and start all over with the cap space
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6/25/2010  11:21 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Maybe I am wrong--but I would have bought that 25 pick from Memphis--even if I had to give up one of my 30 picks as well and taken Whiteside. I think the effort to make this team more defensively balanced has been atrocious. We had all the capability to do it and we did not.I think when you are drafting late its all about the guy with the highest upside potential. I think there are many of us who haev been beggiung the Knicks to bite the F bullet and bring in a nice C prospect--look at this team how it is composed--we have 5 wing players and a combo guard. We put 0 emphasis on important aspects of the game and if the excuse is over 1mm in salary cap--that is insane. The draft was not a good statement nor was it a direction. I really don't like what we are doing with MDA and I would rather we hire KP today and start all over with the cap space
I agree with getting the #25 pick. Always better to have an earlier shot at landing a player. The $3 million is nothing for this franchise if it buys us a good player/prospect.
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6/25/2010  11:22 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Maybe I am wrong--but I would have bought that 25 pick from Memphis--even if I had to give up one of my 30 picks as well and taken Whiteside. I think the effort to make this team more defensively balanced has been atrocious. We had all the capability to do it and we did not.I think when you are drafting late its all about the guy with the highest upside potential. I think there are many of us who haev been beggiung the Knicks to bite the F bullet and bring in a nice C prospect--look at this team how it is composed--we have 5 wing players and a combo guard. We put 0 emphasis on important aspects of the game and if the excuse is over 1mm in salary cap--that is insane. The draft was not a good statement nor was it a direction. I really don't like what we are doing with MDA and I would rather we hire KP today and start all over with the cap space

We didn't buy a first round pick because that's guaranteed salary which counts against the salary cap. Second rounders are not guaranteed, so they will not impact the cap. That is the reason why we did not buy a first rounder.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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6/25/2010  11:31 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Maybe I am wrong--but I would have bought that 25 pick from Memphis--even if I had to give up one of my 30 picks as well and taken Whiteside. I think the effort to make this team more defensively balanced has been atrocious. We had all the capability to do it and we did not.I think when you are drafting late its all about the guy with the highest upside potential. I think there are many of us who haev been beggiung the Knicks to bite the F bullet and bring in a nice C prospect--look at this team how it is composed--we have 5 wing players and a combo guard. We put 0 emphasis on important aspects of the game and if the excuse is over 1mm in salary cap--that is insane. The draft was not a good statement nor was it a direction. I really don't like what we are doing with MDA and I would rather we hire KP today and start all over with the cap space

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6/25/2010  11:33 AM
So we paid 1 million for the Jerome Jordan pick when we could have just passed on Rautins.

Could have packaged those 2nd rounders and that 1 million to move up for Whiteside.

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6/25/2010  11:34 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Maybe I am wrong--but I would have bought that 25 pick from Memphis--even if I had to give up one of my 30 picks as well and taken Whiteside. I think the effort to make this team more defensively balanced has been atrocious. We had all the capability to do it and we did not.I think when you are drafting late its all about the guy with the highest upside potential. I think there are many of us who haev been beggiung the Knicks to bite the F bullet and bring in a nice C prospect--look at this team how it is composed--we have 5 wing players and a combo guard. We put 0 emphasis on important aspects of the game and if the excuse is over 1mm in salary cap--that is insane. The draft was not a good statement nor was it a direction. I really don't like what we are doing with MDA and I would rather we hire KP today and start all over with the cap space

Nah -- not possible.

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6/25/2010  12:18 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:Maybe I am wrong--but I would have bought that 25 pick from Memphis--even if I had to give up one of my 30 picks as well and taken Whiteside. I think the effort to make this team more defensively balanced has been atrocious. We had all the capability to do it and we did not.I think when you are drafting late its all about the guy with the highest upside potential. I think there are many of us who haev been beggiung the Knicks to bite the F bullet and bring in a nice C prospect--look at this team how it is composed--we have 5 wing players and a combo guard. We put 0 emphasis on important aspects of the game and if the excuse is over 1mm in salary cap--that is insane. The draft was not a good statement nor was it a direction. I really don't like what we are doing with MDA and I would rather we hire KP today and start all over with the cap space

Nah -- not possible.

holy crap, i just spit out my water.

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6/25/2010  1:28 PM
The only blunder of this draft imo, was not buying the #25 or #31 pick, both of which were sold for cash considerations, and pick up Hassan Whiteside. I feel Whiteside could've been our center going forward, especially in Mike D's system.
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6/25/2010  2:24 PM
scoshin wrote:The only blunder of this draft imo, was not buying the #25 or #31 pick, both of which were sold for cash considerations, and pick up Hassan Whiteside. I feel Whiteside could've been our center going forward, especially in Mike D's system.

scoshin--agression

buy picks 25-31

Draft Whiteside Hobson If they wanted Fields and Jordan--after the draft they couldve signed Rautins or any number of quality guys that are still there. We couldve had 2 7 footers Hobson and fields for VERY little--that is called aggression.

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