TMS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

VDesai wrote:Granted- if this guarantees Lebron and another max here, obviously it has to be done. Only those way in the know can determine that.

However, even with that being said- the Rockets aren't exactly holding the kind of leverage to yield the kind of package that is being bandied about from the Knicks here. Basically if they dont make any kind of move, McGrady doesn't play, they don't get another useful piece for their playoff run, McGrady walks, and Houston still doesn't have the capspace to land a max guy. So its not like they are playing with a lot of cards here. If they can get one or two useful, non-long term dollar pieces for McGrady to help their playoff run that is all they can ask for at this point. If they get a pick or at least one youngster out of it, they came out like bandits. To get Jordan Hill, a pick, a swap of picks and 2 pieces to potentially help their playoff run is a coup.

excellent post des, you are 100% right about the rockets making out in the trade. it does seem excessive for sure and im pretty sure donnie bargaining against himself.

it's funny, while i'm against the logistics of the trade (it seems like an awful lot to give up for a guy the team doesn't want) i'm still fine with the outcome if it brings us 2 worth max FA - we shouldn't have to give all that up though.

so it's an excellent post when DES makes these points, but not when i make them... thanks a lot douchebag

well you basically made fun of everyone who was countering your points, so why would i give you props?

nyk4ever wrote:

VDesai wrote:Granted- if this guarantees Lebron and another max here, obviously it has to be done. Only those way in the know can determine that.

However, even with that being said- the Rockets aren't exactly holding the kind of leverage to yield the kind of package that is being bandied about from the Knicks here. Basically if they dont make any kind of move, McGrady doesn't play, they don't get another useful piece for their playoff run, McGrady walks, and Houston still doesn't have the capspace to land a max guy. So its not like they are playing with a lot of cards here. If they can get one or two useful, non-long term dollar pieces for McGrady to help their playoff run that is all they can ask for at this point. If they get a pick or at least one youngster out of it, they came out like bandits. To get Jordan Hill, a pick, a swap of picks and 2 pieces to potentially help their playoff run is a coup.

excellent post des, you are 100% right about the rockets making out in the trade. it does seem excessive for sure and im pretty sure donnie bargaining against himself.

it's funny, while i'm against the logistics of the trade (it seems like an awful lot to give up for a guy the team doesn't want) i'm still fine with the outcome if it brings us 2 worth max FA - we shouldn't have to give all that up though.

nyk, I don't think you will find anyone against this trade if James and Wade are in Knick uniforms at the beginning of the season. But we have to stay in the here and now and that doesn't seem reasonable at all. If you are the President of an organization you can't run it like you are playing a game. There have to be reasonable alternatives that make sense.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

"If this trade happens," one NBA source said, "Donnie Walsh should be Executive of the Year."

here's the quote that matters from the hahn article.

will you prattering ninnies be complaining if we get bron and wade on july 1? no. no you will not.

I am not sure Bron would leave Cleveland without Amare, if the Cavs add Amare there is no way that he leaves in my opinion. I don't think Wade is leaving. Miami has a great climate, night life and no state income tax. I think Bosh goes to Miami. Just wondering, I think the taxes are quite a bit harsher in Canada on NBA players but I don't remember hearing about this for awhile, are they higher?

lebron james wants to be a global icon. that will not happen in cleveland because it is cleveland. both lebron and wade know the history of the game - the '73 knicks are far more legendary than the '06 heat because the '73 knicks played in new york city at madison square garden. it's been a long, horrible ride for this franchise, but it is still one of the glamour franchises in this league. whoever brings it back to glory will be immortal in this city - which happens to be the most important city in the world (sorry, but it's true - why do you think everyone loves to hate it?). if you don't think bron and wade know this, i don't think you are giving them enough credit.

i think we will get one of them this summer, if not both. wade doesn't seem too pleased in miami. lebron keeps saying he is going to "test the waters" in free agency - even if they get amar'e.

taxes won't matter at all if they come to new york and set the world on fire. they will be the biggest names in all of sports. they know this. one of them is coming. and donnie is doing the work to ensure the ability to allow both of them to come. or bosh. and people are complaining about this? really?

I have to disagree about LeBron needing NY to be a global icon. Jordan was that guy in Chicago. If LeBron wins a championship inCleveland he imediately becomes that guy withoug going anywhere. LeBron is an Ohio guy. I don't think his dream is to win a championship in NY. I think he grew up and was influenced by Jordan and his popularity. If he wants to emulate someone I think it will be Jordan and the 90's Bulls before it is the 73 Knicks.

...that must be why he wears a yankees hat all the time. because he loves cleveland so much.

he wears a Yankee cap cuz he's a Yankee fan... what's that got to do with signing w/the Knicks this summer? i'm pretty sure he can afford MLB Extra Innings package wherever he's at... don't think he's going to miss too many Yankee games anytime soon.

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

"If this trade happens," one NBA source said, "Donnie Walsh should be Executive of the Year."

here's the quote that matters from the hahn article.

will you prattering ninnies be complaining if WHEN we get bron and wade on july 1? no. no you will not.

unless you're 100% positive that this is going to happen then it's a dumb trade any way you wanna look at it.

any way you want to look at it? what if the way i want to look at it is that lebron james and dwyane wade are free agents in four months and if this trade goes through we have enough money to sign them both?

that doesn't seem remotely dumb to me. it seems pretty darn smart.

it's dumb w/o a guarantee... if those guys don't sign here then you're royally ****ed for the next decade & i'm not even exaggerating... we've already seen how trades like this have ****ed out franchise in past dealings & u want to keep repeating these types of moves... unfreakinreal.

i would hope donnie puts lotto protection on any picks he trades. and i'll wait to see the final trade. if there is a trade at all. i just like that he's aggressively trying to create more cap room. good things will happen this summer.

you're placing a ton of faith into hopes & prayers here... if these rumors are indeed true, then it's not being aggressive, it's being irresponsible.

WindsorPl wrote:Just to clear up a small item. this trade is for McGrady only. I have not heard of a sign and trade for Lebron in this report. From reading some of the posts and/or blogs, it sounds lot like Lebron is being traded along with McGrady.

don't forget Wade

TMS wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:Just to clear up a small item. this trade is for McGrady only. I have not heard of a sign and trade for Lebron in this report. From reading some of the posts and/or blogs, it sounds lot like Lebron is being traded along with McGrady.

don't forget Wade

Wrong, it's Bosh!

I think it's time for a Jared Jeffries appreciation thread.

if they're so comfortable with the idea that of course lebron will stay, why are they trying so hard to tinker with a 43-11 team?

why?

because they are nervous about july 1. because they know it's no done deal that he stays. and unless they can get him a major sidekick at the deadline, they don't have the ability to get him one this summer.