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The bigger they are, the harder they fall. The Knicks dump the Celts. Now you've seen it all.
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orangeblobman
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11/22/2009  6:40 PM
shoulda had this one
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11/22/2009  6:49 PM
s3231 wrote:By the way, lets limit Gallo to under 30 minutes again even though he had 10 points and shot 50% from the field. Not to mention, we were a +3 when he was on the floor...

Thank god we didn't get Iverson and decided to play the young guys instead...


I don't think MDA liked the matchup with Pierce. At the end reg time, I think he played offensive/defensive substitution with Gallo and Chandler with a few seconds left. The team also made its run without Gallo on the floor, I think. I love the kid, but you have to go with the guys who are getting the job done at the time. I have not seen the game yet, but I assume that MDA, the offense centered coach- took him out because he had trouble with Pierce (of course Gallo is not the only one who had problems with him).
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11/22/2009  7:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2009  7:13 PM
i'm watching the game now... the guys who really energized the comeback were Harrington & Nate... they were making big shots when Wilson Chandler was playing mindless basketball & Chris Duhon was being a total non factor on the floor... Gallo was making his shots early on, i have no idea why MDA chose not to play him later in the game... just having his shooting ability on the floor would have been much more preferable to having Duhon & Chandler out there if u ask me... Hughes was doing a great job of orchestrating the offense... unless it was his back stiffening up on him i can see no real justification for not playing Gallo more in this game.
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11/22/2009  7:05 PM
cooch2584 wrote:Eny you know you and I have had differences before but I gotta agree 1000% Al was too far away and that was Lees man. Dont let the rookie poster say different he dont know shyt!!

Are you seriously calling me a rookie poster?

Dude, who are you to call me that? Lol. Do you not see how long I've been a member here? This is just funny now.

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11/22/2009  7:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2009  7:07 PM
s3231 wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:Eny you know you and I have had differences before but I gotta agree 1000% Al was too far away and that was Lees man. Dont let the rookie poster say different he dont know shyt!!

Are you seriously calling me a rookie poster?

Dude, who are you to call me that? Lol. Do you not see how long I've been a member here? This is just funny now.

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11/22/2009  7:36 PM
s3231 your taking like an ass blaming this loss on Al instead of Lee. I dont care what lees stats were he missed the last play
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11/22/2009  7:42 PM
i blame it first on duhon's 46 minutes and 6 points and whatever the heck he shot from the field.
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11/22/2009  7:59 PM
orange i agree and dont understand why Td wasnt in at all for defense and why curry wasnt in,they had trouble all game defending him
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11/22/2009  8:18 PM
cooch2584 wrote:s3231 your taking like an ass blaming this loss on Al instead of Lee. I dont care what lees stats were he missed the last play

Umm..please tell me where I blamed the loss on Al?

I did say this earlier though:

But whatever, I'm not going to waste anymore time talking about stupid things like this. We lost because of a lot of reasons and neither Lee nor Harrington were among the main reasons why we lost this game.

You are a funny one.

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11/22/2009  8:26 PM
cooch2584 wrote:s3231 your taking like an ass blaming this loss on Al instead of Lee. I dont care what lees stats were he missed the last play

i think both those guys are at fault as well as Chandler to be honest, & i'm not saying this to be diplomatic... i just watched that last play over a buncha times.

there were 6 seconds left on the clock... Chandler was checking Pierce who had the ball & he ran off a pick set by KG, who was being covered by Lee... at that point Lee pushes KG away & goes right over to cut off Pierce, but Chandler chooses to try & fight over the screen & chases after Pierce, leaving KG wide open at the top of the key w/no one else to cover

at the same time Harrington wasn't even guarding anyone, he ended up floating down in the middle of the paint after his man Rasheed set a pick on Hughes for House to get clear... Harrington should have been up on that play, switching out on House when Hughes got picked, & been in a much better position to contest KG's shot, but he was way out of position.

i think it was just a complete breakdown on defense by all 3 of those guys... u can't really single out any 1 guy & say it was his job to cover KG on that one IMHO.

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11/22/2009  9:12 PM
third OT loss of the year. could be 6-6 with a few lucky bounces.

team looks to be playing harder. wonder if not getting AI could be used as a coaching tool, "guys, we didn't get him because i don't think talent's the problem. it's effort." suddenly, they are giving much more consistent effort on both ends.

sucks to lose this, but i think they're making progress. next game will show a lot.

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11/22/2009  9:22 PM
i'm not really seeing AI having much to do w/this to tell u the truth... the team showed effort in several games this year after getting down early, they just couldn't close it out... today was the same, they had to come back from a 14 pt deficit & just came up short... they got the job done vs. the Pacers but that was the same situation having to come back from a big deficit to make it a game late, & the defensive intensity was there in those comeback spurts before all the AI talk started.

they just gotta figure out a way to focus for 48 minutes & not get down all the time by double digits before they start trying on defense... they did that once this year vs. the Hornets & came out strong from the very beginning... they need to figure out how to do that on a consistent basis.

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11/22/2009  10:18 PM
Lee job was to stop pierce forward progression you have to let kg who was 4 for 13 beat you
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11/22/2009  11:26 PM
TMS wrote:i'm not really seeing AI having much to do w/this to tell u the truth... the team showed effort in several games this year after getting down early, they just couldn't close it out... today was the same, they had to come back from a 14 pt deficit & just came up short... they got the job done vs. the Pacers but that was the same situation having to come back from a big deficit to make it a game late, & the defensive intensity was there in those comeback spurts before all the AI talk started.

they just gotta figure out a way to focus for 48 minutes & not get down all the time by double digits before they start trying on defense... they did that once this year vs. the Hornets & came out strong from the very beginning... they need to figure out how to do that on a consistent basis.

It's the starting five.

We'll continue to get down until finds a group that can start a game off strongly and turn a lead over to the second unit.

If only this group could play well together:

Curry
Lee
Chandler
Harrington
Hughes

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11/22/2009  11:47 PM
So close.. we were pulling through in the second half
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11/22/2009  11:48 PM
MDA has tried so many different starting 5's at this point i'm getting flashbacks of Larry Brown.

i think Gallo needs to start especially if you're gonna start Curry cuz he spreads the floor & gives Curry more space to work downlow... i like Al coming off the bench as the 6th man... he's got the right mentality & approach for it... he comes in & starts launching shots & gives u an instant scoring lift, which is what u'r pretty much looking for out of that role... Nate's a good sparkplug to come off the bench too when he's right.

i really think Hughes should be starting games at PG & Duhon should be his backup & i would start Wilson at the SG... that gives u 2 solid defensive players in the backcourt to help you stay in games early, & you can forcefeed Curry downlow to start off games to get him involved & try to get other team's players into foul trouble.

right now, i would go with this if i were MDA:

C - Curry
PF - Lee
SF - Gallo
SG - Chandler
PG - Hughes
6 - Harrington
7 - Nate
8 - Duhon
9 - Hill
10 - Douglas
garbage - Darko, Fishlips, Landry

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11/23/2009  12:08 AM
weird moment in the game:

Rajon Rondo misses the last shot in regulation to send the game into OT & Al Harrington has his arms raised in the air like the Knicks just won the game... did he not know what the score was or was he celebrating the fact that the Knicks were tied at that point? weird.

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11/23/2009  8:03 AM
orangeblobman wrote:shoulda had this one

Starting the 4th Q 1-10 from the field didn't do us any good.
Eddy's flagrant gave them the two points needed to force OT in the end it would seem.

Sucks...

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11/23/2009  8:06 AM
eViL wrote:third OT loss of the year. could be 6-6 with a few lucky bounces.

team looks to be playing harder. wonder if not getting AI could be used as a coaching tool, "guys, we didn't get him because i don't think talent's the problem. it's effort." suddenly, they are giving much more consistent effort on both ends.

sucks to lose this, but i think they're making progress. next game will show a lot.

Or a couple of plays run by Douglas and his speed instead of Duhon and his cement shoes.
Or a couple less David Lee welcome mats placed out for the opponent.

But, well, this is what we have on the team and it's why we are a bad team. Bad teams lose games like the way we do. But again if you go over the course of a game and watch Lee's doormat plays and Duhon's inability to push the ball I think right there is where you could technically place the blame.

Outside of players in shooting slumps and what not of course - but - we're now 10+ games into the season: The rust is gone for players now league wide. Time to man up and tighten up that D and push that ball and make the right decisions with it (which Duhon has trouble doing...you know ignoring Gallo or Curry who are ready to score - for say Nate or Al or Hughes to chuck up a brick instead).

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11/23/2009  8:11 AM
TRU wrote:
TMS wrote:i'm not really seeing AI having much to do w/this to tell u the truth... the team showed effort in several games this year after getting down early, they just couldn't close it out... today was the same, they had to come back from a 14 pt deficit & just came up short... they got the job done vs. the Pacers but that was the same situation having to come back from a big deficit to make it a game late, & the defensive intensity was there in those comeback spurts before all the AI talk started.

they just gotta figure out a way to focus for 48 minutes & not get down all the time by double digits before they start trying on defense... they did that once this year vs. the Hornets & came out strong from the very beginning... they need to figure out how to do that on a consistent basis.

It's the starting five.

We'll continue to get down until finds a group that can start a game off strongly and turn a lead over to the second unit.

If only this group could play well together:

Curry
Lee
Chandler
Harrington
Hughes


The best five man unit we've had so far is:

Lee
Chandler
Gallo
Hughes
Duhon


I would like to see that lineup but Douglas instead of Duhon.

Now, I don't like 82games.com, but this mirrors what I am seeing on a site I do like in popcornmachine's game flows.

Knicks Best Lineups as per 82games

Popcornmachine Knicks Nets Game (note the lineup in question working great!)

Game Flow Celtics

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