nixluva wrote:I'm telling you that is gonna open up his game as the season moves along. We've seen the kid drive before so it's not like when Frye wasn't posting up and it has more to do with him not being able to do effectively. Gallo has shown he can pump fake and drive. Being deadly from 3 is a big plus. Also it's a great sign of Gallo raising his focus when it really counts, which you want to see from your young players.

True. I'll give you that Nix. Hey listen fellas, I'm not even trying to prove some point here. I hope to God that I'm wrong or that I'm mis-reading the situation. I just know I defended him last year 'til the cows came home when he was hurt and people were jumping all over him anyway. I didn't think that was right and I thought that was typical knee-jerk reaction by some of the more impatient fans on this board. It didn't make any sense to me... Well now he's healthy and I'm here to say I'm gonna need to see a hell of a lot more from this guy if I'm gonna keep defending him and really get behind him. I can't keep talking about his European video clips on Youtube anymore either. That stuff's in the past. He's gonna have to figure out a way to bring that same confidence and versatility he showed in those clips to the Knicks. And consistently. I'm just reacting to what I've seen so far since he's played in the NBA - I'm gonna need to start seeing more than just a 6'10" guy shooting 3s, make or miss, but especially when he's missing or when it's not there..

Finestrg wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm telling you that is gonna open up his game as the season moves along. We've seen the kid drive before so it's not like when Frye wasn't posting up and it has more to do with him not being able to do effectively. Gallo has shown he can pump fake and drive. Being deadly from 3 is a big plus. Also it's a great sign of Gallo raising his focus when it really counts, which you want to see from your young players.

True. I'll give you that Nix. Hey listen fellas, I'm not even trying to prove some point here. I hope to God that I'm wrong or that I'm mis-reading the situation. I just know I defended him last year 'til the cows came home when he was hurt and people were jumping all over him anyway. I didn't think that was right and I thought that was typical knee-jerk reaction by some of the more impatient fans on this board. It didn't make any sense to me... Well now he's healthy and I'm here to say I'm gonna need to see a hell of a lot more from this guy if I'm gonna keep defending him and really get behind him. I can't keep talking about his European video clips on Youtube anymore either. That stuff's in the past. He's gonna have to figure out a way to bring that same confidence and versatility he showed in those clips to the Knicks. And consistently. I'm just reacting to what I've seen so far since he's played in the NBA - I'm gonna need to start seeing more than just a 6'10" guy shooting 3s, make or miss, but especially when he's missing or when it's not there..

So when did everything change? When the cows came home?

You and others haven't grasped MDA's offense. We take more 3 pt shots than any other team in the league!!! Spread the floor, find the open man, shoot or drive to the basket. What we need are more 3 pt shooters!! I've been saying this for 2 yrs now. Gallinari is the answer, not the problem. He is doing exactly what coach instructs him to do. Shoot the 3! MDA likes Gallinari because he does what he is told to do....and does it well.

The problem in today's game was not Gallinari taking 15 3-pt shots but:

Nate 0 for 8 (0 for 5 from 3 pt) 3 asst; 3 Turn Overs ; 1 pt

Also the rest of the team (not including Gallinari) shot 3 for 26 from 3 pt range. That's 11.5%.
You can't win shooting that poorly!

tkf wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Here's the difference between Gallo and Hill --- Hill showed me last year at Arizona that he has a complete big man's game. You'll never here me say Jordan Hill's "raw." That's the last word I'd ever use to describe this guy...6'10", quick, rebounder, post player, solid mid-range game. All you Hill haters can say whatever you want - this guy has COMPLETE game type skills for a young big man. All he needs to do is development it and fine tune it at this level now.

All Gallo does, on the other hand, is shoot 3s. That's it. If he does something else that I'm missing please let me know... severly limited rebound potential, he doesn't go to the hole, and despite the rave reviews about his defense, he ain't defending anyone in the NBA - smaller guys, guys his size...Nobody..

Between Hill and Gallo, I'm much more worried about Gallinari right now.

he shot 50%, he was open, what do you expect him to do? prove that he can drive when teams are letting him shoot and he is hitting?

I think he drove to the basket 3 times- got fouled on one (I think), kicked the ball out to another Knick for a missed 3 on another, and missed on a drive where he went left and shot with his left hand.

You take what they give you. He seemed more active at times. He went into the post once and asked for the ball, but did not get it.

He also had 6 rebounds.

Some of Gallo's issues are related to physical maturity at this point, some with his recovery, and others have to do with finding his role on this team. His past history indicates that he will rise to a prominent role on the team, but right now he is not really asserting himself.

When teams start pressing him on the perimeter, he will have to adapt, or end up becoming a simple rotational player and not the starter/star complete player the Knicks envisioned him to be.

I like Hill, but there is a reason why MDA is not giving him rotational time at this point. Both Gallo and Hill need time to evolve as players-Gallinari is simply a smarter and more valuable player in our system at this point than Hill is, and doesn't make as many mistakes.

MDA will play the guys he thinks give his team the best chance to win- simple as that.

Strange that you are pitting Hill vs Gallo. Both are far from achieving the final roles they will play on this team, and I don't see much point in defending the ability of one by attempting to diminish that of the other.

okay, we looked terrible, but i am still amazed that some are not seeing how the offense is not JUST standing around chucking threes.

the idea of the SSOL offense is somewhat of a motion offense -- which you clearly could see at several points -- intended on creating, and then taking open shots from ANYWHERE ON THE FLOOR.

post offense is just not part of it, for the most part, because that involves isolation.

in SSOL it happens to be that 3 pointers are more likely to be created, and that on average in the nba, it's not exactly the worst % shot to take.

the problem is that we are just NOT hitting the shots we are given.

also, a major key is the point guard. last season when we played well, duhon was orchestrating it well. it seems as though sometimes he does now, and when we made the run to get the lead in the 1st half, it was going well...but other times i'm not so sure. i admit, i didn't watch much of the 2nd half after the game went to being down 20.

if i had the time and patience, it would be interesting to check how many open jump shots we missed last night. i also think that when we keep missing it lowers team/player confidence and then we start to get more one-on-one.

btw, that's also part of why, i suspect, harrington was benched in the 2nd half. he started to do that too much.

franco12 wrote:

PresIke wrote:and...

okay, we looked terrible, but i am still amazed that some are not seeing how the offense is not JUST standing around chucking threes.

the idea of the SSOL offense is somewhat of a motion offense -- which you clearly could see at several points -- intended on creating, and then taking open shots from ANYWHERE ON THE FLOOR.

post offense is just not part of it, for the most part, because that involves isolation.

in SSOL it happens to be that 3 pointers are more likely to be created, and that on average in the nba, it's not exactly the worst % shot to take.

the problem is that we are just NOT hitting the shots we are given.

also, a major key is the point guard. last season when we played well, duhon was orchestrating it well. it seems as though sometimes he does now, and when we made the run to get the lead in the 1st half, it was going well...but other times i'm not so sure. i admit, i didn't watch much of the 2nd half after the game went to being down 20.

if i had the time and patience, it would be interesting to check how many open jump shots we missed last night. i also think that when we keep missing it lowers team/player confidence and then we start to get more one-on-one.

btw, that's also part of why, i suspect, harrington was benched in the 2nd half. he started to do that too much.

I have the answer for wide open jumpers missed: how many shots did Jefferies take?

Jeffries only took 2 shots from 3 pt. The real problem was the other players...other than Gallinari.

From 3 pt range:

Nate 0 for 5
Chandler 1 for 6
Duhon 1 for 6
Harrington 1 for 6
Jeffries 0 for 2
Douglas 0 for 1

Gallinari 7 for 13 from 3 pt

Lee, Darko, Hill, Landry didn't attempt any 3 pt shots - thank God!

Markji wrote:

franco12 wrote:

PresIke wrote:and...

okay, we looked terrible, but i am still amazed that some are not seeing how the offense is not JUST standing around chucking threes.

the idea of the SSOL offense is somewhat of a motion offense -- which you clearly could see at several points -- intended on creating, and then taking open shots from ANYWHERE ON THE FLOOR.

post offense is just not part of it, for the most part, because that involves isolation.

in SSOL it happens to be that 3 pointers are more likely to be created, and that on average in the nba, it's not exactly the worst % shot to take.

the problem is that we are just NOT hitting the shots we are given.

also, a major key is the point guard. last season when we played well, duhon was orchestrating it well. it seems as though sometimes he does now, and when we made the run to get the lead in the 1st half, it was going well...but other times i'm not so sure. i admit, i didn't watch much of the 2nd half after the game went to being down 20.

if i had the time and patience, it would be interesting to check how many open jump shots we missed last night. i also think that when we keep missing it lowers team/player confidence and then we start to get more one-on-one.

btw, that's also part of why, i suspect, harrington was benched in the 2nd half. he started to do that too much.

I have the answer for wide open jumpers missed: how many shots did Jefferies take?

Jeffries only took 2 shots from 3 pt. The real problem was the other players...other than Gallinari.

From 3 pt range:

Nate 0 for 5
Chandler 1 for 6
Duhon 1 for 6
Harrington 1 for 6
Jeffries 0 for 2
Douglas 0 for 1

Gallinari 7 for 13 from 3 pt

Lee, Darko, Hill, Landry didn't attempt any 3 pt shots - thank God!

Good post. I agree about the horrible shooting. Most of those shots were either wide open looks or shots where they had enough space.

this kid cannot be compared to kapono, that's crazy. he is going to be a superstar in this league. his shot is so good that he might lead the league in threes and three %. he had to establish his shot, get comfortable, and he will work from there.

this guy is anything but one dimensional, he's just an exceptional shooter

compare his 6 boards to al's 0. so you can get on anyone BUT gallo...i feel that this kid has tos core like 50 points next game for anyone to take him seriously. that's not cool.