Posted by TMS:

almost every time i hear of a bigtime bust it's because a team drafted based solely on need or the "you can't teach height" mentality over the kid who has the best player potential.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

ok, so am i correct in assuming your order of preference goes something like this?

1 - Griffin
2 - Thabeet
3 - Derozan
4 - Evans
5 - Mullens

Thats it today

Posted by TMS:

almost every time i hear of a bigtime bust it's because a team drafted based solely on need or the "you can't teach height" mentality over the kid who has the best player potential... i wouldn't care if we had Michael Jordan on this team, if Kobe Bryant were available in the draft i'm taking him case closed regardless if we had no PG or C... u figure out the rest later... we should always be looking to take the kid w/the most upside potential regardless of what the holes on this team are IMO... if that kid happens to be a C, PG, SG or whatever else, so be it, but u can't limit your scope to 1 or 2 prospects just because u think that kid fills a need... that's just irresponsible.

2 athletic kids who can block shots, rebound, run the wings, finish on the break, shoot the rock

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Posted by oohah:

2 athletic kids who can block shots, rebound, run the wings, finish on the break, shoot the rock

The only place where Thabeet is not better than Derozan out of that list is the shooting aspect. Throw the ball to Thabeet on the break when he has a head of steam and it is lights out baby!

I think Derozan offers duplication while Thabeet surely fills a glaring hole.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 17-05-2009 6:14 PM]

Derozan will be a top flight scorer & 1 of the better rebounding GUARDS in the NBA, Thabeet an elite shotblocker & very good rebounding CENTER... i fail to see any duplication... u can't judge rebounds from a G the same way you can the same amount from a C... & Derozan will offer you scoring punch on the offensive end, Thabeet doesn't... Derozan doesn't need no head of steam on the break, he can lead one himself & finish coast to coast... in terms of running the break there's no comparison there.

right now Thabeet projects as a super role player in my view unless he can work on some kind of offensive go to move... & like i told u before, just cuz a player fills a glaring need doesn't make him the best choice... if u think he's got the most potential to become a star, that's 1 thing... i don't wanna settle for no prospects just cuz they seem to make sense for what our needs are... i wanna pick them cuz they're the best possible prospect to take regardless of where they fit on the roster.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-17-2009 3:29 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

They might think that Derozan doesn't have a position for the Knicks with Chandler Harrington and Gallinari. I seriously don't mind getting Curry---he's easily one of the better players in this shtty draft. I only ask that the Knicks TRY to get a second pick to get Mullens. We may not have a pick next year and I don't care what system you play you need a 7 footer to win. The kid is right up our alley in terms of style--he runs the floor quickly for a big and he can do things we cant get from our roster.
Curry's upside---i.e he puts on 10 pounds of muscle and perhaps he grows another inch--continues to work hard from the PG position and is able to become physical enough to contend with other PGs--he has all of the skills that you can dream of a young player to have. It's all about strength and explosion--can he gain enough through training to be able to use his skills at the next level. If he can you could have a franchise type PG--but there in lies the bet because if he doesn't getting bigger and faster--he could be a niche player--there is a wide gap of best and worst case scenarios with him. I do think that Evans is a better bet but it's not my dime.

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Posted by Finestrg:

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Posted by TMS:

Posted by oohah:

2 athletic kids who can block shots, rebound, run the wings, finish on the break, shoot the rock

The only place where Thabeet is not better than Derozan out of that list is the shooting aspect. Throw the ball to Thabeet on the break when he has a head of steam and it is lights out baby!

I think Derozan offers duplication while Thabeet surely fills a glaring hole.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 17-05-2009 6:14 PM]

Derozan will be a top flight scorer & 1 of the better rebounding GUARDS in the NBA, Thabeet an elite shotblocker & very good rebounding CENTER... i fail to see any duplication... u can't judge rebounds from a G the same way you can the same amount from a C... & Derozan will offer you scoring punch on the offensive end, Thabeet doesn't... Derozan doesn't need no head of steam on the break, he can lead one himself & finish coast to coast... in terms of running the break there's no comparison there.

right now Thabeet projects as a super role player in my view unless he can work on some kind of offensive go to move... & like i told u before, just cuz a player fills a glaring need doesn't make him the best choice... if u think he's got the most potential to become a star, that's 1 thing... i don't wanna settle for no prospects just cuz they seem to make sense for what our needs are... i wanna pick them cuz they're the best possible prospect to take regardless of where they fit on the roster.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-17-2009 3:29 PM]

They might think that Derozan doesn't have a position for the Knicks with Chandler Harrington and Gallinari. I seriously don't mind getting Curry---he's easily one of the better players in this shtty draft. I only ask that the Knicks TRY to get a second pick to get Mullens. We may not have a pick next year and I don't care what system you play you need a 7 footer to win. The kid is right up our alley in terms of style--he runs the floor quickly for a big and he can do things we cant get from our roster.
Curry's upside---i.e he puts on 10 pounds of muscle and perhaps he grows another inch--continues to work hard from the PG position and is able to become physical enough to contend with other PGs--he has all of the skills that you can dream of a young player to have. It's all about strength and explosion--can he gain enough through training to be able to use his skills at the next level. If he can you could have a franchise type PG--but there in lies the bet because if he doesn't getting bigger and faster--he could be a niche player--there is a wide gap of best and worst case scenarios with him. I do think that Evans is a better bet but it's not my dime.

Suppose instead of acquiring another lottery pick this year for Mullens (which might cost them a lot - they might be able to purchase a much lower pick they could then use on a shooter like Jodie Meeks or a nice reserve PF like Taj Gibson but I seriously doubt they'll be able to buy a late lottery-mid 1st rounder for mere cash) the Knicks chose to make a sensible trade using Lee or Nate to deal themselves back into next year's 1st round and eventually used that pick to get AJ Oglivy from Vandy? Am I the only one who thinks that might be something worthwhile? I know he's not as big as Mullens or as athletic but he's still plenty big (6'11" 250 lbs.) and possesses a very high skill level across the board, esp. offensively. Noticed this kid right away 2 years ago when I knew Vandy would be on TV - tuned in ready to watch Shan Foster shoot the ball (Foster was really clutch late in games for Commodores that year) but I quickly found out they had another nice player too. Any thoughts on trying to grab Ogilvy next year? I agree we're gonna need to come up with a big man for the middle sooner or later. This could be the guy for us right here...

I think Mullens has a chance to be a player like Pau Gasol. I don't know about other guys in the draft but in my book 7-1 260 and athletic is on a whole different level than 6-9.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

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Posted by TMS:

Posted by oohah:

2 athletic kids who can block shots, rebound, run the wings, finish on the break, shoot the rock

The only place where Thabeet is not better than Derozan out of that list is the shooting aspect. Throw the ball to Thabeet on the break when he has a head of steam and it is lights out baby!

I think Derozan offers duplication while Thabeet surely fills a glaring hole.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 17-05-2009 6:14 PM]

Derozan will be a top flight scorer & 1 of the better rebounding GUARDS in the NBA, Thabeet an elite shotblocker & very good rebounding CENTER... i fail to see any duplication... u can't judge rebounds from a G the same way you can the same amount from a C... & Derozan will offer you scoring punch on the offensive end, Thabeet doesn't... Derozan doesn't need no head of steam on the break, he can lead one himself & finish coast to coast... in terms of running the break there's no comparison there.

right now Thabeet projects as a super role player in my view unless he can work on some kind of offensive go to move... & like i told u before, just cuz a player fills a glaring need doesn't make him the best choice... if u think he's got the most potential to become a star, that's 1 thing... i don't wanna settle for no prospects just cuz they seem to make sense for what our needs are... i wanna pick them cuz they're the best possible prospect to take regardless of where they fit on the roster.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-17-2009 3:29 PM]

They might think that Derozan doesn't have a position for the Knicks with Chandler Harrington and Gallinari. I seriously don't mind getting Curry---he's easily one of the better players in this shtty draft. I only ask that the Knicks TRY to get a second pick to get Mullens. We may not have a pick next year and I don't care what system you play you need a 7 footer to win. The kid is right up our alley in terms of style--he runs the floor quickly for a big and he can do things we cant get from our roster.
Curry's upside---i.e he puts on 10 pounds of muscle and perhaps he grows another inch--continues to work hard from the PG position and is able to become physical enough to contend with other PGs--he has all of the skills that you can dream of a young player to have. It's all about strength and explosion--can he gain enough through training to be able to use his skills at the next level. If he can you could have a franchise type PG--but there in lies the bet because if he doesn't getting bigger and faster--he could be a niche player--there is a wide gap of best and worst case scenarios with him. I do think that Evans is a better bet but it's not my dime.

Suppose instead of acquiring another lottery pick this year for Mullens (which might cost them a lot - they might be able to purchase a much lower pick they could then use on a shooter like Jodie Meeks or a nice reserve PF like Taj Gibson but I seriously doubt they'll be able to buy a late lottery-mid 1st rounder for mere cash) the Knicks chose to make a sensible trade using Lee or Nate to deal themselves back into next year's 1st round and eventually used that pick to get AJ Oglivy from Vandy? Am I the only one who thinks that might be something worthwhile? I know he's not as big as Mullens or as athletic but he's still plenty big (6'11" 250 lbs.) and possesses a very high skill level across the board, esp. offensively. Noticed this kid right away 2 years ago when I knew Vandy would be on TV - tuned in ready to watch Shan Foster shoot the ball (Foster was really clutch late in games for Commodores that year) but I quickly found out they had another nice player too. Any thoughts on trying to grab Ogilvy next year? I agree we're gonna need to come up with a big man for the middle sooner or later. This could be the guy for us right here...

I think Mullens has a chance to be a player like Pau Gasol. I don't know about other guys in the draft but in my book 7-1 260 and athletic is on a whole different level than 6-9.

You see Paul Gasol in this kid Mullens? Wow. You sure you don't mean his brother Marc Gasol? To me, Gasol's a very polished big man on the offensive end of the floor - a VERY advanced NBA post player. Gasol understands positioning, shows reliable, go-to post offense with either hand in close and has a nice little faceup jumpshot too. I don't see any of that with Mullens. All I see right now is a big athletic kid that's still learning how to play basketball. Man, if he's ever gonna become Pau Gasol he's got A TON of work to do. If anything I see AJ Ogilvy as more of a Pau Gasol-type. Ogilvy's sort of a Gasol/Koufos hybrid. He's no Shaq but he looks like a very advanced prospect for the pivot to me. And for the record Ogilvy's listed at 6'11" not 6'9". And he'll be coming out next year - he didn't declare for this draft..

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by oohah:

2 athletic kids who can block shots, rebound, run the wings, finish on the break, shoot the rock

The only place where Thabeet is not better than Derozan out of that list is the shooting aspect. Throw the ball to Thabeet on the break when he has a head of steam and it is lights out baby!

I think Derozan offers duplication while Thabeet surely fills a glaring hole.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 17-05-2009 6:14 PM]

Derozan will be a top flight scorer & 1 of the better rebounding GUARDS in the NBA, Thabeet an elite shotblocker & very good rebounding CENTER... i fail to see any duplication... u can't judge rebounds from a G the same way you can the same amount from a C... & Derozan will offer you scoring punch on the offensive end, Thabeet doesn't... Derozan doesn't need no head of steam on the break, he can lead one himself & finish coast to coast... in terms of running the break there's no comparison there.

right now Thabeet projects as a super role player in my view unless he can work on some kind of offensive go to move... & like i told u before, just cuz a player fills a glaring need doesn't make him the best choice... if u think he's got the most potential to become a star, that's 1 thing... i don't wanna settle for no prospects just cuz they seem to make sense for what our needs are... i wanna pick them cuz they're the best possible prospect to take regardless of where they fit on the roster.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-17-2009 3:29 PM]

They might think that Derozan doesn't have a position for the Knicks with Chandler Harrington and Gallinari. I seriously don't mind getting Curry---he's easily one of the better players in this shtty draft. I only ask that the Knicks TRY to get a second pick to get Mullens. We may not have a pick next year and I don't care what system you play you need a 7 footer to win. The kid is right up our alley in terms of style--he runs the floor quickly for a big and he can do things we cant get from our roster.
Curry's upside---i.e he puts on 10 pounds of muscle and perhaps he grows another inch--continues to work hard from the PG position and is able to become physical enough to contend with other PGs--he has all of the skills that you can dream of a young player to have. It's all about strength and explosion--can he gain enough through training to be able to use his skills at the next level. If he can you could have a franchise type PG--but there in lies the bet because if he doesn't getting bigger and faster--he could be a niche player--there is a wide gap of best and worst case scenarios with him. I do think that Evans is a better bet but it's not my dime.

Posted by masud:

First post, been lurking for a while cause I couldn't figure out how to unlock my account (lol).

I think Curry is gonna be our guy and I'm happy with that. The top three to me should be Griffin, Rubio, Thabeet and since my top three are probably gonna end up being the actually top three I think the Knicks should draft Curry if they get the fourth pick or worse, people are gonna hate but whatever. As far as Derozan, no thanks there is no place on a D'Antoni team for a 2 that at best is gonna end up being a below average shooter (he shot like 16% from the college 3 point line this year) and we don't even have a real need at that position with Chandler. Hell I question Jennings maturity but I'd still take him over Derozan. And damn it's been really sad seeing people characterize Curry as an undersized 2 guard. All the combo guards people keep trying to compare him to for the most part all played the 2 in college, Curry played the point all this year and averaged 6 assist a game (which is pretty damn good for college) and if his team was any good he would have averaged more. People try to call the kid soft but he was a good finisher he averaged about 8 free throws a game, and he was 10th in the nation in steals. Just cause the kids a good shooter doesn't mean you have to crap on the rest of his game. And to say he's a good shooter is an understatement he's probably the best shooter on the planet right now. He's lights out off the dribble, spotting up, and off screens, he's perfect for this offense. Look everyone after the top three is a gamble imo but if Curry's gamble pays off he would be the most ideal player for our team.

[Edited by - masud on 05-18-2009 05:44 AM]