Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Is it possible management doesn't want "Il Bustino" getting the same treatment from fans that Hughes is getting?

Can you really put Gallinari and Hughes in the same category? http://heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com/ is up for a reason. I haven't sensed that Gallinari is even close to receiving a fraction of that vitriol from the MSG crowd so I doubt management views that as a reason why Gallianri is better off developing in summer league and preseason.

There are people suggesting G should start and get 35 MPG. The crowd is kind to him now, but realistically, how many bad outings could he give before being trashed?

Three.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Is it possible management doesn't want "Il Bustino" getting the same treatment from fans that Hughes is getting?

Can you really put Gallinari and Hughes in the same category? http://heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com/ is up for a reason. I haven't sensed that Gallinari is even close to receiving a fraction of that vitriol from the MSG crowd so I doubt management views that as a reason why Gallianri is better off developing in summer league and preseason.

There are people suggesting G should start and get 35 MPG. The crowd is kind to him now, but realistically, how many bad outings could he give before being trashed?

There has to be a happy medium between getting 35 MPG and starting and accomplishing nothing with DNP's and token minutes.

Define a bad outing? If they've been kind to him up to this point, what exactly would he have to do over the last 11 home games to start getting trashed?

Same treatment as Hughes? NYK fans aren't stupid. They know who that clown is and what he is all about. The guy first shot at the MSG was one that he was shooting falling back out of bounds with a man in his face and early in the shot clock. Gallinari is a rookie, Hughes is far from being a rookie. He is just a chucking jackass that did the same thing that Marbury did. Quit on his teams and be a problem in the locker room.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Is it possible management doesn't want "Il Bustino" getting the same treatment from fans that Hughes is getting?

Can you really put Gallinari and Hughes in the same category? http://heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com/ is up for a reason. I haven't sensed that Gallinari is even close to receiving a fraction of that vitriol from the MSG crowd so I doubt management views that as a reason why Gallianri is better off developing in summer league and preseason.

There are people suggesting G should start and get 35 MPG. The crowd is kind to him now, but realistically, how many bad outings could he give before being trashed?

With rookies you accept that certain % of their games will be ugly.

If a rookie is having, for example, a 50/50 good games/bad games season, I think that most fans will give the guy a break and focus on the good things a kid does, in the belief that the bad stuff will diminish in frequency as the player ages. They are even willing to accept a more negative balance if they see their rookie do some special things now and then, and if he shows effort.

In year two you want the good/bad % to be at a 2/1 ratio respectively (Yeah- I did a scientific study to come up with this ratio.), and you want to notice that your 2nd yr player has improved some of the deficiencies in his game.

From then on your attitude toward the player is going to be based on contributions to the team and consistency, and you are also looking at whether your young vet has made the necessary changes to address his original set of weaknesses.

If I was a math teacher, and not a history teacher, I would try to figure out a fan acceptance of players official formula, but for now, all I would say is that there is very little Gallinari can do in such a short period to earn the hatred of the fans, and it is doubtful that MDA would ever allow him to be in such a situation.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 02-27-2009 5:33 PM]

I posted this in another thread:

"I think we fukced up with Galinari. He can shoot and he might be a decent player, but how much better would we be with Lopez? Lee could play his natural position and we would have a good big man who would be threatening to be an all-star in the next year or 2. Another one is Gordon. Can you imagine the damage he could do in this system? Bayless could be a monster in this system as well. DJ Augustin probably would have replaced Duhon as the starter by now.

Galinari might have been picked specifically to fit in this system, but those 4 guys fit into the system just as well and I think Lopez and Gordon will almost certainly have better careers. Augustin too. Bayless it is hard to say."

2 out of the next 5 guys picked in the lottery after Galinari are going to be better than he will be, and an additional 2 more likely will be as well. I don't know if Joe Alexander really has the goods, but Gordon, Lopez, Augustin and Bayless sure seem to.

oohah


[Edited by - oohah on 28-02-2009 08:42 AM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by oohah:

I posted this in another thread:

"I think we fukced up with Galinari. He can shoot and he might be a decent player, but how much better would we be with Lopez? Lee could play his natural position and we would have a good big man who would be threatening to be an all-star in the next year or 2. Another one is Gordon. Can you imagine the damage he could do in this system? Bayless could be a monster in this system as well. DJ Augustin probably would have replaced Duhon as the starter by now.

Galinari might have been picked specifically to fit in this system, but those 4 guys fit into the system just as well and I think Lopez and Gordon will almost certainly have better careers. Augustin too. Bayless it is hard to say."

2 out of the next 5 guys picked in the lottery after Galinari are going to be better than he will be, and an additional 2 more likely will be as well. I don't know if Joe Alexander really has the goods, but Gordon, Lopez, Augustin and Bayless sure seem to.

oohah


[Edited by - oohah on 28-02-2009 08:42 AM]

I agree with you and if we falter I'm going to be posting roughly 500 times why we should pick BJ Mullens until June. We need a C Mike D has to be smart enough to look at the Lakers and understand you can score a lot of points playing multiple 7 footers. We need a force to clog the lane--someone who we can throw the ball to and make a shot at a high%. In 2-3 years if you put BJ in the middle and spread the floor you are going to have a team that will compete at the end.

Why does everyone keep forgetting that the Lakers have Kobe. Anything else you add to that team is basically gravy.

I think a big man is in need though. Lopez is the one I was shooting for in the draft.

Posted by oohah:

I don't know if Joe Alexander really has the goods, but Gordon, Lopez, Augustin and Bayless sure seem to.

Bayless is averaging 5.5 pts & 1.8 assists in 14 minutes & shooting 27% from 3 pt range & he's got the goods, but Gallo clearly doesn't... it's a good thing Joe Alexander isn't averaging 6 pts. in 20 minutes or else he'd be the goods too.

Posted by Vmart:

According to Newsday, D'Antoni thinks that Gallo should be putting up 8 threes a game. Does he even touch the basketball 8 times a game.

He obviously means in summer league and preseason games since that's where he's said Gallinari should be developed.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by oohah:

I don't know if Joe Alexander really has the goods, but Gordon, Lopez, Augustin and Bayless sure seem to.

Bayless is averaging 5.5 pts & 1.8 assists in 14 minutes & shooting 27% from 3 pt range & he's got the goods, but Gallo clearly doesn't... it's a good thing Joe Alexander isn't averaging 6 pts. in 20 minutes or else he'd be the goods too.

Also, why would you need Bayless when you already have Nate? If we had drafted Bayless he'd be getting slammed right now too.