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PresIke
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2/12/2009  1:42 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by DrAlphaeus:

Yes! The Spirit of Starbury has been invoked!

Arise, o sullen and be-toweled one and haunt this thread with the ghosts of What Could Have Been! Strike down the unrepentant Front Office with the the unfulfilled promise of resurgent guard play, your tattooed cranium shepherding that leather sphere into the Paint... a land that bedevils your three-point shooting compatriots.

sig worthy.

hey i had it first!
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2/12/2009  1:44 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by DrAlphaeus:

Yes! The Spirit of Starbury has been invoked!

Arise, o sullen and be-toweled one and haunt this thread with the ghosts of What Could Have Been! Strike down the unrepentant Front Office with the the unfulfilled promise of resurgent guard play, your tattooed cranium shepherding that leather sphere into the Paint... a land that bedevils your three-point shooting compatriots.

sig worthy.

hey i had it first!

Yeah- I guess you found, as I did, that the quote is too long for the sig.

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2/12/2009  1:52 PM
i did indeed...haha. you even managed to cite the source. bery bery impwessive.
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2/12/2009  1:56 PM
There is room in the truck for all who wish to follow. Go forth with your sigs and show the spit on your mouth!

[Edited by - DrAlphaeus on 02-12-2009 1:57 PM]
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2/12/2009  2:25 PM
Posted by DrAlphaeus:

There is room in the truck for all who wish to follow. Go forth with your sigs and show the spit on your mouth!

If you believe it, you can achieve it.

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-02-12 2:25 PM]
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2/12/2009  5:39 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
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i <3 Zach. IMO keep him and play Marbs and NY is in the 4 seed right now.

Can we just do a little identity check here?

Who's better, Marbury or Ridnour?


Ridnour in every year but a contract one



Ridnour wouldn't cut off his nose to spite his face and sit-out a contract year.

I never once claimed Steph is or would be a brighter person coming into this season. Just thought he'd make a helluva 2/cameo point guard esp. in this offense in his contract year.

Actually I've always advocated moving him to the 2 once I realized Isiah would never trade him.
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2/12/2009  6:15 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by McK1:

i <3 Zach. IMO keep him and play Marbs and NY is in the 4 seed right now.

Can we just do a little identity check here?

Who's better, Marbury or Ridnour?


Ridnour in every year but a contract one



Ridnour wouldn't cut off his nose to spite his face and sit-out a contract year.

I never once claimed Steph is or would be a brighter person coming into this season. Just thought he'd make a helluva 2/cameo point guard esp. in this offense in his contract year.

Actually I've always advocated moving him to the 2 once I realized Isiah would never trade him.


Lets skip over my feelings that if he's un-buyout-able he's probably still uncoachable. Lets also skip over my belief he's a natural born downer and his teammates and coach (the one who dumped him in Phoenix, then here) can't stand him. We can even skip over the fact he's barely played in two years and the last two seasons he did play he couldn't finish because of health issues (be they physical, mental or both). All that aside...

Is there any reason to think at this stage of his career he's a better player than Nate? If so, how? Nate is a better shooter, penetrator, finisher, rebounder, and defender. Marbury was never a world class passer or playmaker (as evidenced by your interest in moving him to SG,) so I don't think he's even got an advantage there.

So I'm really having a hard time seeing where you're coming from.
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2/12/2009  6:57 PM
a healthy Marbury is a better score than Nate. Guy gets to the line 7 to 8 times a night for his career. He came into the season in shape so I'm assuming he was healthy.

Nate aside.

Also a healthy Marbury in the guard rotation means never having to see such stomach turning sights like Duhon playing 40 plus minutes a game, Q chucking brick after brick, Jared Jefries playing backup point...
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2/12/2009  7:12 PM
^ When you say "healthy" do you mean physically, mentally, or both?

[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-12-2009 19:12]
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2/12/2009  7:25 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

^ When you say "healthy" do you mean physically, mentally, or both?

[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-12-2009 19:12]

I think its reasonable to ask whether Marbury has ever been mentally healthy.
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2/12/2009  7:53 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by DrAlphaeus:

Yes! The Spirit of Starbury has been invoked!

Arise, o sullen and be-toweled one and haunt this thread with the ghosts of What Could Have Been! Strike down the unrepentant Front Office with the the unfulfilled promise of resurgent guard play, your tattooed cranium shepherding that leather sphere into the Paint... a land that bedevils your three-point shooting compatriots.

sig worthy.

hey i had it first!

Yeah- I guess you found, as I did, that the quote is too long for the sig.

I would say the 3 of you are mentally unstable attention seekers. Or gimmick posters.
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2/12/2009  8:24 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by DrAlphaeus:

Yes! The Spirit of Starbury has been invoked!

Arise, o sullen and be-toweled one and haunt this thread with the ghosts of What Could Have Been! Strike down the unrepentant Front Office with the the unfulfilled promise of resurgent guard play, your tattooed cranium shepherding that leather sphere into the Paint... a land that bedevils your three-point shooting compatriots.

sig worthy.

hey i had it first!

Yeah- I guess you found, as I did, that the quote is too long for the sig.

I would say the 3 of you are mentally unstable attention seekers. Or gimmick posters.

Or both.
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2/12/2009  8:36 PM
Posted by McK1:

a healthy Marbury is a better score than Nate. Guy gets to the line 7 to 8 times a night for his career. He came into the season in shape so I'm assuming he was healthy.

Be specific, how is he a better scorer? Have you watched Steph the last few years? The dude's got no lift, he can't finish. I reiterate, based on Marbury's last few years, Nate is a better shooter, penetrator and finisher. Speculations of what "might be" this year are left to each individual's imagination and could justifiably range from horrible to Kobe-like. But the reality of the last few years is unimpressive at best.

Nate aside.

Also a healthy Marbury in the guard rotation means never having to see such stomach turning sights like Duhon playing 40 plus minutes a game, Q chucking brick after brick, Jared Jefries playing backup point...


Yeah, if anyone can restore our sense of pride it's our 33, 23, 33, 23 win leader.

Culture change be damned, I'm back in the truck.
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2/12/2009  10:07 PM
Steph has come to camp out of shape the last 3 years. This year was a different story.

And IMHO the culture change theorem is a bunch of horse ish.

With Steph out the picture what has really changed:

mental toughness: FAIL

ability to make smart plays and execute when the game gets tight: FAIL

defense: FAIL

overall coachability of the team: well according to MDA, only 1 of the 30 losses is on him; so once again FAIL

Nates a chucker. Steph before whatever events led up to him ultimately getting a 3 tatted on his head had a killer midrange game scoring wise. He just sucked at being a creative playmaker.
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2/12/2009  10:12 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:



Yeah, if anyone can restore our sense of pride it's our 33, 23, 33, 23 win leader.

But that means this was gonna be a 33 win year.
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2/12/2009  11:09 PM
Posted by McK1:

Steph has come to camp out of shape the last 3 years. This year was a different story.

Steph's knees and ankles have been breaking down since 2002, but somehow because he dropped a few pounds you think a guy who's not as good a PG as Ridnour, and not as good a SG as Nate, and who's teammates can't bear sitting next to him, was going to carry us for the season.
And IMHO the culture change theorem is a bunch of horse ish.

With Steph out the picture what has really changed:

mental toughness: FAIL

ability to make smart plays and execute when the game gets tight: FAIL

defense: FAIL

overall coachability of the team: well according to MDA, only 1 of the 30 losses is on him; so once again FAIL

Nates a chucker. Steph before whatever events led up to him ultimately getting a 3 tatted on his head had a killer midrange game scoring wise. He just sucked at being a creative playmaker.

I don't see anyone threatening their coaches with dirt.

I don't see anyone leaving the team when they're asked to come off the bench.

I don't see people fighting in the showers.

I don't see games where the team throws in the towel in the first quarter.

I don't see the whole bench sulking under towels.

I don't see anyone on the bench unwilling to cheer on his teammates.

I don't see anyone avoided by his teammates.

I don't see anyone refusing to come off the bench.

I don't see anyone proclaiming themselves "The Best" and then being left out to dry by his teammates.

I don't see anyone calling the coach insecure.

I don't see any players thinking this is their team and they run things.

I don't see anyone being voted off the team.

This team is still utterly devoid of quality leadership, but at least it's no longer being driven into the gutter by negative leadership.




[Edited by - blueseats on 02-12-2009 11:10 PM]
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2/12/2009  11:19 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by DrAlphaeus:

Yes! The Spirit of Starbury has been invoked!

Arise, o sullen and be-toweled one and haunt this thread with the ghosts of What Could Have Been! Strike down the unrepentant Front Office with the the unfulfilled promise of resurgent guard play, your tattooed cranium shepherding that leather sphere into the Paint... a land that bedevils your three-point shooting compatriots.

sig worthy.

hey i had it first!

Yeah- I guess you found, as I did, that the quote is too long for the sig.

I would say the 3 of you are mentally unstable attention seekers. Or gimmick posters.

or all 3
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2/13/2009  8:36 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by McK1:

Steph has come to camp out of shape the last 3 years. This year was a different story.

Steph's knees and ankles have been breaking down since 2002, but somehow because he dropped a few pounds you think a guy who's not as good a PG as Ridnour, and not as good a SG as Nate, and who's teammates can't bear sitting next to him, was going to carry us for the season.
And IMHO the culture change theorem is a bunch of horse ish.

With Steph out the picture what has really changed:

mental toughness: FAIL

ability to make smart plays and execute when the game gets tight: FAIL

defense: FAIL

overall coachability of the team: well according to MDA, only 1 of the 30 losses is on him; so once again FAIL

Nates a chucker. Steph before whatever events led up to him ultimately getting a 3 tatted on his head had a killer midrange game scoring wise. He just sucked at being a creative playmaker.

I don't see anyone threatening their coaches with dirt.

I don't see anyone leaving the team when they're asked to come off the bench.

I don't see people fighting in the showers.

I don't see games where the team throws in the towel in the first quarter.

I don't see the whole bench sulking under towels.

I don't see anyone on the bench unwilling to cheer on his teammates.

I don't see anyone avoided by his teammates.

I don't see anyone refusing to come off the bench.

I don't see anyone proclaiming themselves "The Best" and then being left out to dry by his teammates.

I don't see anyone calling the coach insecure.

I don't see any players thinking this is their team and they run things.

I don't see anyone being voted off the team.

This team is still utterly devoid of quality leadership, but at least it's no longer being driven into the gutter by negative leadership.




[Edited by - blueseats on 02-12-2009 11:10 PM]

* If this was about playing pg, Luke Ridnour's stature in my eyes would be relevant but its not

* AND I think he would have been a better 2 than Nate. He takes better shots than Nate and is a way more efficient scorer. Plus he has shown he can guard te position better than anyone we currently have.

The ankle problems IMO took a greater toll on his ability to move because he coupled that with not being in game shape. Last time he was in shape was probably the 04-05 season and he had no problems physically. In fact he had one of his most efficient scoring campaigns of his career.

To me the bottom line is the option to deactivate and banish Steph was a card management always had the option to play. Therefore seeing if he could actually contribute was a low risk high reward play.
I think he could've, you think he would've wrecked yet another season. Well suprise suprise the Knicks are on pace for magic number 33 again and Steph hasn't stepped on teh court once.

* Overall without Steph I see nothing changed but a few more towels available behind the bench.

Maybe everybody is up and cheering the best 0-3 week a losing team could statistically have. Whoopty-woo!

Steph's not out there, good guys like Duhon Nate and Lee direct the flow of the offense so why is there a good 3 pages in the thread below concerning what appears to be a blatant freeze out of the offense of arguably the best outside shooter on the team - Danilo. The guy also has playmaking skills but does he get the ball and do people make room for him to show it?

PS
"I don't see anyone fighting in the showers" - Are you insinuating Marbury told Nate to go jump Malik in the showers?






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2/13/2009  12:24 PM
Posted by McK1:

Steph has come to camp out of shape the last 3 years. This year was a different story.

And IMHO the culture change theorem is a bunch of horse ish.

With Steph out the picture what has really changed:

mental toughness: FAIL

ability to make smart plays and execute when the game gets tight: FAIL

defense: FAIL

overall coachability of the team: well according to MDA, only 1 of the 30 losses is on him; so once again FAIL

Nates a chucker. Steph before whatever events led up to him ultimately getting a 3 tatted on his head had a killer midrange game scoring wise. He just sucked at being a creative playmaker.


This comment is gold! The apparent "change of culture" is just more of the same.
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Posted by bitty41:
Posted by McK1:

Steph has come to camp out of shape the last 3 years. This year was a different story.

And IMHO the culture change theorem is a bunch of horse ish.

With Steph out the picture what has really changed:

mental toughness: FAIL

ability to make smart plays and execute when the game gets tight: FAIL

defense: FAIL

overall coachability of the team: well according to MDA, only 1 of the 30 losses is on him; so once again FAIL

Nates a chucker. Steph before whatever events led up to him ultimately getting a 3 tatted on his head had a killer midrange game scoring wise. He just sucked at being a creative playmaker.


This comment is gold! The apparent "change of culture" is just more of the same.

why is it more of the same?
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